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I thought I’d give my input since barely anyone is talking about this.

Going from my 7 to the XR when it comes out.
According to Apple I can trade in my 7 for £170 ending up paying the XR £579.

Everyone is obsessing over this bloody display when rushing on the go you’ll be barely able to tell the difference.

What sold it to me is when they say ONE HOUR AND A HALF more battery than the 8+. I can’t even imagine what it means not having to charge my phone at 1pm if I decide to go out after work. And yes I recently swapped the battery, when they lowered the price.

At the end of the day, the feature of a phone we all can agree on, is a long battery life that doesn’t leave you stranded when you’re trying to find what bus to take or what the fastest route home.

What’s the point in having 5% deeper black if my phone dies while I’m enjoying this super dooper display?

The only reason why I haven’t gone with a Plus so far is because I don’t like large phones. The size and the XR seems to be an acceptable compromise. I would’ve preferred it a tad smaller but probably it wouldn’t have had performed so well in terms of battery.

I just don’t understand how can not being so dependent on a charger can not be appealing, focusing so much on a display you use to watch YouTube, check Instagram and emails on, also considering that Retina display served is well so far.
Why would I need so much resolution? If I ever have to edit photos I would do it on Lightroom on a much bigger and better display. Why do you need to see how many pores Marques Brownlee has on his face? And then again if you really need to a phone is not the right device to do it.


But the thread isn’t 7 to XR, it’s going from X to XR.

Any other iPhone, other than the X, is an upgrade to XR. We all concur. The debate has been if the upgrades from X to XR outweigh the downgrades along with some of the side grades.

My X battery lasts all day and I’m a heavy user. 1st one to go all day for me. So it wouldn’t matter if another phone goes 1hr and 1/2 longer.
 
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But the thread isn’t 7 to XR, it’s going from X to XR.

Any other iPhone, other than the X, is an upgrade to XR. We all concur. The debate has been if the upgrades from X to XR outweigh the downgrades along with some of the side grades.

My X battery lasts all day and I’m a heavy user. 1st one to go all day for me. So it wouldn’t matter if another phone goes 1hr and 1/2 longer.

I am aware that this is for owners of a X but I thought my inputs were as valid despite the fact I could shoot £999 last year. I wasn’t really talking about how worth is for me to upgrade but rather about some advantages of the XR that weren’t really discussed.

By the way the XR is supposed to last one hour and a half more than a plus sized iPhone which is already more than what a X lasts.

Fair points but a small portable anker charger costs £12 and will get you out of sticky situations when your battery is dead. iPhone batteries have and always will be awful and with the amount of new features available which rinse the battery, i think the norm now is to have a portable charger.

Power Bank, Anker Astro E1 5200mAh Portable Charger Candy bar-Sized Ultra Compact External Battery with High-Speed Charging PowerIQ Technology (Black) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00P8SY7HQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_eu2RBbYHFCD6T

Totally agree with this however not even having the hassle of carrying the external charger around would be quite freeing.
 
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Why would I need so much resolution? If I ever have to edit photos I would do it on Lightroom on a much bigger and better display. Why do you need to see how many pores Marques Brownlee has on his face? And then again if you really need to a phone is not the right device to do it.
The higher pixel density improves text quality for surfing for example.

It’s not about images at all.
 
The higher pixel density improves text quality for surfing for example.

It’s not about images at all.
It’s gotta be about images as well.
Anyway that’s why I mentioned emails for example to include text as well. I agree I read a lot of web content on my 7 as well and I haven’t been able to see pixels since my 4S to be honest. We have been having enough resolution to read comfortably for many many years now in my opinion. I don’t think the experience on the XR would be so awful to prevent you from enjoying reading. I think smooth readable text is easily achievable in 2018 by many manufacturers across many price ranges.
Last but not least I reiterate what I said before: what’s the point of enjoying such smooth text if then I can’t read it for as long as I’d like because my phone is dying?
 
It’s gotta be about images as well. That’s why I mentioned emails to include text as well. I agree I read a lot of web content on my 7 as well and I haven’t been able to see pixels since my 4S to be honest. We have been having enough resolution to read comfortably for many many years now in my opinion. I don’t think the experience on the XR would be so awful to prevent you from enjoying reading. I think smooth readable text is easily achievable in 2018 by many manufacturers across many price ranges.
No, images look fine. Pixel density is not a significant issue at all here.

The biggest difference is with text. With big fonts it doesn’t matter but with some small fonts it’s relatively easy for some to recognize the difference if they know what to look for. The problem is once you see it, it’s hard to unsee it. Note that most (or at least I) can’t see the individual pixels on a 326 ppi display at normal viewing distances, but what can be seen is the decreased text crispness.

On the 7 the text is definitely very readable but looks softer with slightly blurred edges. On the Plus and Max that blurriness is completely gone.

Now, this is in English. With languages like Chinese or Korean, the effect is often even worse.

If you haven’t used a Plus before and if you’re happy with the 7, then you will likely be even happier with the XR. The XR’s screen has the same pixel density as the 7 but other features should be improved over the 7’s screen. However, if you’re in the minority that can consistently see the reduced text quality the 7 has, then there is a good chance you won’t be completely happy with the XR.

BTW, my wife has the 6s and is fine with it, so I’m getting the XR for her. I have the 7 Plus and I will see how the XR looks when she gets it, but I’m just going to wait until next year before getting something new for myself.
 
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No, images look fine. Pixel density is not a significant issue at all here.

The biggest difference is with text. With big fonts it doesn’t matter but with some small fonts it’s relatively easy for some to recognize the difference if they know what to look for. The problem is once you see it, it’s hard to unsee it. Note that most (or at least I) can’t see the individual pixels on a 326 ppi display at normal viewing distances, but what can be seen is the decreased text crispness.

On the 7 the text is definitely very readable but looks softer with slightly blurred edges. On the Plus and Max that blurriness is completely gone.

Now, this is in English. With languages like Chinese or Korean, the effect is often even worse.

If you haven’t used a Plus before and if you’re happy with the 7, then you will likely be even happier with the XR. The XR’s screen has the same pixel density as the 7 but other features should be improved over the 7’s screen. However, if you’re in the minority that can consistently see the reduced text quality the 7 has, then it is likely you won’t be completely happy with the XR.

I understand what you mean. Maybe you are right saying that not having used extensively something as crisp as a X I’m not “spoiled” with the improvement. Having said that I genuinely don’t see the “softness” on my 7, everything seems to be as crisp as it can get. But then again it might be because I’ve never spent time on a X or because my eyesight doesn’t allow me to appreciate this difference.

What I feel though is that even if I would be able to appreciate the difference I would still probably choose battery life over screen resolution because of the role that a smartphone has in my life (and probably many other people’s lives). In the end a smartphone is mainly a tool to be productive, get our stuff done on a daily basis, with the bonus of being able to entertain us on the go and stay constantly connected.

Again, if we want to consume HD media properly we need to use another device that’s been made for that, if we wanna edit audio, photos, or videos properly we need other devices made for those purposes, if we wanna game properly a phone is not the right device, if we wanna read for very long time maybe an iPad would serve us better and so on. Hell even the discussion on the dual camera is marginal in my opinion because I’m sorry (any) smartphone photos are good only until you put them on a big screen to do some proper editing, then you see the limitation of a the small sensor of the phone compared to a proper full frame camera (but I admit that’s just my photographer perspective on this matter).

A phone does all of these things well but doesn’t excel in any of them, nor it should because is not specialised in any of them, for obvious reasons.
It’s an amazing object to partially sort us out on the go, but when we need to sit down and do some of those things properly, we wouldn’t use a phone anyway, battery life being one of the reasons.

To be honest I see a discussion about being picky on screen sharpness and absolutely needing OLED on an iPad at this point rather than a phone.

When boiled down is quite simple: wouldn’t you want the battery of your phone to last even longer so you wouldn’t even need to be concerned about doing everything you want and more with it and having the dilemma of “mmmmh I’m at 30% maybe I shouldn’t watch this episode of Stranger Things on Netflix on my way back, because I’m not too sure where to take the next bus” so you have to stare at the foggy window in silence waiting for the City Mapper notification?
That’s why I say battery life first then the rest, with the assumption that the rest got good enough.

But that’s just my opinion I guess.
 
I understand what you mean. Maybe you are right saying that not having used extensively something as crisp as a X I’m not “spoiled” with the improvement. Having said that I genuinely don’t see the “softness” on my 7, everything seems to be as crisp as it can get. But then again it might be because I’ve never spent time on a X or because my eyesight doesn’t allow me to appreciate this difference.

What I feel though is that even if I would be able to appreciate the difference I would still probably choose battery life over screen resolution because of the role that a smartphone has in my life (and probably many other people’s lives). In the end a smartphone is mainly a tool to be productive, get our stuff done on a daily basis, with the bonus of being able to entertain us on the go and stay constantly connected.

Again, if we want to consume HD media properly we need to use another device that’s been made for that, if we wanna edit audio, photos, or videos properly we need other devices made for those purposes, if we wanna game properly a phone is not the right device, if we wanna read for very long time maybe an iPad would serve us better and so on. Hell even the discussion on the dual camera is marginal in my opinion because I’m sorry (any) smartphone photos are good only until you put them on a big screen to do some proper editing, then you see the limitation of a the small sensor of the phone compared to a proper full frame camera (but I admit that’s just my photographer perspective on this matter).

A phone does all of these things well but doesn’t excel in any of them, nor it should because is not specialised in any of them, for obvious reasons.
It’s an amazing object to partially sort us out on the go, but when we need to sit down and do some of those things properly, we wouldn’t use a phone anyway, battery life being one of the reasons.

To be honest I see a discussion about being picky on screen sharpness and absolutely needing OLED on an iPad at this point rather than a phone.

When boiled down is quite simple: wouldn’t you want the battery of your phone to last even longer so you wouldn’t even need to be concerned about doing everything you want and more with it and having the dilemma of “mmmmh I’m at 30% maybe I shouldn’t watch this episode of Stranger Things on Netflix on my way back, because I’m not too sure where to take the next bus” so you have to stare at the foggy window in silence waiting for the City Mapper notification?
That’s why I say battery life first then the rest, with the assumption that the rest got good enough.
Actually, I don't really care that much about OLED on a phone. It's good but I'd just be just as happy with a high pixel density LCD. I'm very pleased with the text quality on the 7 Plus.

However, I own a 65" OLED TV.

Battery life is great, but is just one of many factors to consider. The longest battery life is the XR, but FWIW a close second is supposedly the XS Max, along with higher pixel density. However, the XS Max is at much higher cost, which is why I didn't buy one this year.
 
What I feel though is that even if I would be able to appreciate the difference I would still probably choose battery life over screen resolution because of the role that a smartphone has in my life (and probably many other people’s lives). In the end a smartphone is mainly a tool to be productive, get our stuff done on a daily basis, with the bonus of being able to entertain us on the go and stay constantly connected.

This is how I feel too. I’ve mentioned the battery as a strong motivating factor in my interest for the XR. I’m also coming from a 7, so that’s the resolution I’m used to, and it seems plenty good enough for me. Sure, maybe I’d feel differently about this if I’d been using a Plus or X, and became accustomed to the sharper screen. But that’s not the case.

I expect the XR’s screen to be as good as - probably better than - my 7’s. I think it will be good enough for me, with any disadvantages outweighed by the superior battery life. We’ll see.
 
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Actually, I don't really care that much about OLED on a phone. It's good but I'd just be just as happy with a high pixel density LCD. I'm very pleased with the text quality on the 7 Plus.

However, I own a 65" OLED TV.

Battery life is great, but is just one of many factors to consider. The longest battery life is the XR, but FWIW a close second is supposedly the XS Max, along with higher pixel density. However, the XS Max is at much higher cost, which is why I didn't buy one this year.
The problem with plus/max size for me is the size, without taking into consideration the outrageous price of the max you mentioned ahahah!
 
This is how I feel too. I’ve mentioned the battery as a strong motivating factor in my interest for the XR. I’m also coming from a 7, so that’s the resolution I’m used to, and it seems plenty good enough for me. Sure, maybe I’d feel differently about this if I’d been using a Plus or X, and became accustomed to the sharper screen. But that’s not the case.

I expect the XR’s screen to be as good as - probably better than - my 7’s. I think it will be good enough for me, with any disadvantages outweighed by the superior battery life. We’ll see.
I'm confident the XR screen will look better overall when compared to the 7. That may not apply to text quality since they have the exact same pixel density, but overall, you should be pleased. As I've said before, if you're fine with the 7's text, then don't worry about it. You'll be happy with the XR's text too because it will be at least as good.

Just don't put the XR side by side with XS Max in the store and do a critical analysis, because then you may notice the differences. And once you do, it may be hard going back. In fact, that's why I haven't pointed the differences out to my wife. I don't want her to see what I'm seeing, and suddenly have much more expensive desired upgrades. ;)

The problem with plus/max size for me is the size, without taking into consideration the outrageous price of the max you mentioned ahahah!
XR 128 GB is CAD$1242 with tax. XS Max 256 GB (since there is no 128 GB option) is $1954 with tax, a price premium of 57%, or over $712 more. Uh, no thanks.
 
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The problem with plus/max size for me is the size, without taking into consideration the outrageous price of the max you mentioned ahahah!
Speaking of size, the XR is almost just as big as the Plus model iPhones. Not only that but it also will be among the heaviest iPhones to date at 194 grams.

I've seen a lot of folks wanting to upgrade from their 7 or 8 to the XR, but they're in for a surprise in terms of the size of the XR and its weight.

Shame Apple didn't make a smaller XR.
 
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The problem with plus/max size for me is the size, without taking into consideration the outrageous price of the max you mentioned ahahah!
Speaking of size, the XR is almost just as big as the Plus model iPhones. Not only that but it also will be among the heaviest iPhones to date at 194 grams.

I've seen a lot of folks wanting to upgrade from their 7 or 8 to the XR, but they're in for a surprise in terms of the size of the XR and its weight.
Yup.

iPhone 7: 138.3 x 67.1 x 7.1 mm & 138 g
iPhone 8: 138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm & 148 g
iPhone XR: 150.9 x 75.7 x 8.3 mm & 194 g
iPhone 8 Plus: 158.4 x 78.1 x 7.5 mm & 202 g
iPhone XS Max: 157.5 x 77.4 x 7.7 mm & 208 g

The XR is not a small phone. It actually is in the big phone class, because it displays the same amount of information on-screen as the XS Max, and much more than the 8 Plus actually. It's smaller than the XS Max though, because the font sizing and screen element sizing should be the same as the 7, which is smaller than on the XS / XS Max line.

Shame Apple didn't make a smaller XR.
I've been predicting a LCD variant of the XR for next year. That would be a bit smaller than the XS, with a smaller 5.5" 326 ppi 19.5:9 aspect ratio screen, albeit with wider bezels.
 
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Actually, I don't really care that much about OLED on a phone. It's good but I'd just be just as happy with a high pixel density LCD. I'm very pleased with the text quality on the 7 Plus.

However, I own a 65" OLED TV.

Battery life is great, but is just one of many factors to consider. The longest battery life is the XR, but FWIW a close second is supposedly the XS Max, along with higher pixel density. However, the XS Max is at much higher cost, which is why I didn't buy one this year.
This is how I feel too. I’ve mentioned the battery as a strong motivating factor in my interest for the XR. I’m also coming from a 7, so that’s the resolution I’m used to, and it seems plenty good enough for me. Sure, maybe I’d feel differently about this if I’d been using a Plus or X, and became accustomed to the sharper screen. But that’s not the case.

I expect the XR’s screen to be as good as - probably better than - my 7’s. I think it will be good enough for me, with any disadvantages outweighed by the superior battery life. We’ll see.

It's kinda like trying to watch a movie online at home and you can choose superultrayeahmygod HD but your broadband keeps on buffering. Ultimately you choose a lower resolution to enjoy the content for longer.

It'd be like saying you can buy the most HD TV which would be crisp af but it would allow you to watch only half of the movie to then go off, or a TV that's not as crisp but sufficiently sharp to be able to still enjoy the content and that would stay on for the whole movie.

Anyone would choose to watch the movie in its entirety instead of watching half movie with unbelievable sharpness.
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I'm confident the XR screen will look better overall when compared to the 7. That may not apply to text quality since they have the exact same pixel density, but overall, you should be pleased. As I've said before, if you're fine with the 7's text, then don't worry about it. You'll be happy with the XR's text too because it will be at least as good.

Just don't put the XR side by side with XS Max in the store and do a critical analysis, because then you may notice the differences. And once you do, it may be hard going back. In fact, that's why I haven't pointed the differences out to my wife. I don't want her to see what I'm seeing, and suddenly have much more expensive desired upgrades. ;)


XR 128 GB is CAD$1242 with tax. XS Max 256 GB (since there is no 128 GB option) is $1954 with tax, a price premium of 57%, or over $712 more. Uh, no thanks.
By size I meant physical size, it doesn’t fit in my skinny jeans ahahahha!
 
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By size I meant physical size, it doesn’t futon my skinny jeans ahahahha!
Look at my post and CrazyForCashews' post above. You may not be too happy with the XR either for your skinny jeans.

In the 2018 model line there are two classes of iPhones:

Small (375x812): XR
Big (414x896): XR and XS Max
 
Look at my post and CrazyForCashews' post above. You may not be too happy with the XR either for your skinny jeans.

In the 2018 model line there are two classes of iPhones:

Small: XR
Big: XR and XS Max
I found that the Plus models are just slightly over the limit I’m able to take. The XR should be just below that threshold being slightly smaller than a plus/max.
 
The top line of pictures shows the amount of information each phone displays.

The bottom line of pictures shows the relative physical sizes.

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ppi is not dpi

https://99designs.ca/blog/tips/ppi-vs-dpi-whats-the-difference/

BTW, on the same printer, 600 dpi often looks much better than 300 dpi.

That article is sadly rubbish. ppi and dpi are in our context exactly the same. It's the maximum resolution text can be rendered at at. The only difference is the method of rendering. Why is the concept of effective resolution so hard to get for many today?

600dpi on a printer only looks better when you need greyscale values. That is because the printer has to raster them - this isn't needed on a lcd or oled as each pixel can display value between white and black. The same applies to colors.
 
That article is sadly rubbish. ppi and dpi are in our context exactly the same. It's the maximum resolution text can be rendered at at. The only difference is the method of rendering. Why is the concept of effective resolution so hard to get for many today?

600dpi on a printer only looks better when you need greyscale values. That is because the printer has to raster them - this isn't needed on a lcd or oled as each pixel can display value between white and black. The same applies to colors.
In other words, dpi in printers and ppi in screens are not the same thing, just like I said. Furthermore, earlier you said 300 dpi for printers is all you need, but now you're agreeing 600 dpi looks better in certain situations. You can't have it both ways.

Anyhow, if you don't believe it, all you have to do is to compare the screens in person. You are talking hypotheticals, but as we know, the real world can be very different. Pull up Safari on both screens and load some news articles with some small text in them. Put your face 11-12 inches from the screens. Assuming your eyesight is good, or if you have properly corrected vision with glasses, it's pretty easy for some of us to tell a 326 ppi screen (iPhone 7) from higher pixel density screens (iPhone X or iPhone 8 Plus).

A 326 ppi screen looks pretty decent, but a 401 ppi LCD or pseudo-458 ppi OLED simply looks better. That is not to say a 600 ppi screen would look even better, as the threshold is much lower than that. However, the threshold for many people, myself included, is definitely above 326 ppi in LCD terms.

For a US$400 phone I wouldn't worry about it too much, but while the XR is way cheaper than the XS Max, the XR is still not exactly cheap, at $750 minimum.

I warn you though, if you think the pixel density of the 7 is great, then I'd advise you DON'T critically compare the screen side by side against a Plus or XS. Cuz once you do this you'll regret this, as you will never be able to unsee the quality differences.
 
I notice a big difference in weight between the Max and the 6 Plus I was using: 177 vs 208 grams. The Max is like a brick. Even in a coat it's heavy. Not a big deal, but worth considering.

The XR at 194g is better, but still a little hefty. I can see why some people would want the smaller Xs at 177g. But these things take time to sort out. The X Max is so much nicer than the 6 +, so who cares. Heavy though.

If I was going to swap, going to the much lighter XS would make more sense, than to a heavy XR. Of course there's other things to consider, like money and comfort. I'm just glad they made the XR. Should be fun to check that one out. Rollout #2 :)
 
I found that the Plus models are just slightly over the limit I’m able to take. The XR should be just below that threshold being slightly smaller than a plus/max.
This is what I am hoping. I loved the screen size in the plus, but it was just a bit too big. Hopefully this in between size works.
 
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Gonna upgrade from a 7+. Does the X have better battery than the 7+?
 
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