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This posts is basically saying lower quality screen and no 2nd lens.

Imo everything else is an upgrade. Faster processor, more ram, bigger screen and the best battery life of any iPhone.

Also here’s the thing about that 2nd camera, due to apples programming, if you’re not in the required light settings the “2x” that I thought I was using is a actually just cropping or digitally zooming in on the first lens.

If you don’t mind a lower resolution, still good screen, and lack of 2nd camera you could could arguably get a major upgrade with a lot more storage than the iPhone X 64gb when it was launched for close to the same price.

Ram is same.
 
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+ better modem
+ better CPU
+ better GPU
+ Dual SIM
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Correction, Just noticed you said better modem, unfortunately the XR and X use the same Advanced LTE. The XR does not use the Gigabyte LTE like XS and XS Max.

This year’s modems by Intel on the XS and Max leave little to be desired over Qualcomm’s on the X. Intel modem on the XS is reporting slower Wi-Fi speeds than the X. This might be fixable by software update hopefully.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-the-xs-max-even-worse-than-iphone-x.2140854/
 
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The XR is an upgrade from the X in every aspect except the screen resolution. I tested a iPhone 7 side by side with my iPhone X. Obviously the screen on the X is better but unless they are side by side the difference isn’t dramatic. The screen on the 7 still looks great
 
I think I may go to the xr. I am returning my xs max as just being too heavy. Not sure what color yet though.
 
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Wow guys,
Thanks for all your replies!
Just FYI:
-i DON’T use cover
-LCD vs OLED is not a game changer for me
-I don’t use the camera that often to truly appreciate the X dual camera
 
The XR is an upgrade from the X in every aspect except the screen resolution. I tested a iPhone 7 side by side with my iPhone X. Obviously the screen on the X is better but unless they are side by side the difference isn’t dramatic. The screen on the 7 still looks great
Minus a telephoto lens?
 
One thing I'm curious about is 3D touch in control center, will there be a way to access those controls with the XR? I use them a lot.
 
One thing I'm curious about is 3D touch in control center, will there be a way to access those controls with the XR? I use them a lot.

Have to long press for them. I think only difference is it might buzz when it does?

Seems to be a lot of people taking the rumors about 3D Touch being phased out at face value, but unless it went into more detail, the note may have just been about it being removed in lower tier devices like XR. Guess we'll see next year.
 
Have to long press for them. I think only difference is it might buzz when it does?

Seems to be a lot of people taking the rumors about 3D Touch being phased out at face value, but unless it went into more detail, the note may have just been about it being removed in lower tier devices like XR. Guess we'll see next year.

Oh that wouldn't be too bad, I'm kinda looking forward to the Xr now
 
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This posts is basically saying lower quality screen and no 2nd lens.

Imo everything else is an upgrade. Faster processor, more ram, bigger screen and the best battery life of any iPhone.

Also here’s the thing about that 2nd camera, due to apples programming, if you’re not in the required light settings the “2x” that I thought I was using is a actually just cropping or digitally zooming in on the first lens.

If you don’t mind a lower resolution, still good screen, and lack of 2nd camera you could could arguably get a major upgrade with a lot more storage than the iPhone X 64gb when it was launched for close to the same price.

Something I think that is a valid positive point for the XR much in the same vein is the ability to get 128GB at only $50 more. I myself will want and need the full 256Gb upgrade at $150, however, I feel the sweet spot for most is 128GB, which the XR gives you, whereas you are forced into going up to 256GB on the XS/XS Max

Although not a huge deal, I do think this adds to the value proposition of the XR.
 
Something I think that is a valid positive point for the XR much in the same vein is the ability to get 128GB at only $50 more. I myself will want and need the full 256Gb upgrade at $150, however, I feel the sweet spot for most is 128GB, which the XR gives you, whereas you are forced into going up to 256GB on the XS/XS Max

Although not a huge deal, I do think this adds to the value proposition of the XR.
Storage, long battery life and processor speed are arguably a more important features than screen resolution in the grand scheme of things.
 
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I don’t care what screen people like. I just find it odd that people want to justify staying with older tech by claiming the newer tech is inferior.

If you care about color uniformity OLED is a huge downgrade.
 
Have to long press for them. I think only difference is it might buzz when it does?

Seems to be a lot of people taking the rumors about 3D Touch being phased out at face value, but unless it went into more detail, the note may have just been about it being removed in lower tier devices like XR. Guess we'll see next year.
Sounds like an almost identical UX especially since it’s already being mimicked on the iPad Pro with no large amounts of complaints.
 
I have perfect vision and am very picky with screens. And that is why OLED is a no for me. People talk about PPi on OLED but they dont mention that OLEDs are PENTILE and are missing up to 1/3 of the subpixels, making their true pixel count much lower. Add in flickering and tons of panel variation color wise and its a tech that isnt ready for prime time.

OLED is a huge downgrade from LCD. XR is the best phone Apple has right now.

I have been debating this as well. Price has no factor for me on this one. The only thing that bugs me about the x is the width of the screen. Too narrow. But i like the one handed use. The 3gb of ram as opposed to the 4gbof ram on the xr is also a factor. As well as the screen dimming to prevent burn in as well. LCD does have advantages.

I handled a xr at a apple event and seriously couldnt tell the difference. Like at all. I dont know what they did with the LCD screen but its impressive. Very impressive. My guess would be that they are using FRC for color depth and a non-pentile display for pixel depth. People are going to quite surprised if they think this is just a blown up iphone 8 screen. Because its not. You have to see it for yourself.
 
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If you care about color uniformity OLED is a huge downgrade.

Not according to people that can do actual, objective tests rather than just repeating things they've heard other people repeat from things they've heard other people repeat ad nauseam.

Displaymate did a comprehensive suite of tests on the iPhone X display when it first came out (as they always do). They compared it not only to other OLEDs, but to all other smartphone display test results they've done:

http://www.displaymate.com/iPhoneX_ShootOut_1a.htm

A snippet from their conclusions:

The iPhone X matches or sets new Smartphone display performance records for:

· Highest Absolute Color Accuracy for any display (0.9 JNCD) which is Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect.
· Highest Full Screen Brightness for OLED Smartphones (634 nits).
· Highest Full Screen Contrast Rating in Ambient Light (141).
· Highest Contrast Ratio (Infinite).
· Lowest Screen Reflectance (4.5 percent).
· Smallest Brightness Variation with Viewing Angle (22 percent).

Seems pretty damned good to me.
 
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Not according to people that can do actual, objective tests rather than just repeating things they've heard other people repeat from things they've heard other people repeat ad nauseam.

Displaymate did a comprehensive suite of tests on the iPhone X display when it first came out (as they always do). They compared it not only to other OLEDs, but to all other smartphone display test results they've done:

http://www.displaymate.com/iPhoneX_ShootOut_1a.htm

A snippet from their conclusions:

The iPhone X matches or sets new Smartphone display performance records for:

· Highest Absolute Color Accuracy for any display (0.9 JNCD) which is Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect.
· Highest Full Screen Brightness for OLED Smartphones (634 nits).
· Highest Full Screen Contrast Rating in Ambient Light (141).
· Highest Contrast Ratio (Infinite).
· Lowest Screen Reflectance (4.5 percent).
· Smallest Brightness Variation with Viewing Angle (22 percent).

Seems pretty damned good to me.

And yet there are many examples of OLED displays on these having issues displaying 5% gray properly across the screen.

I guess those just get thrown out.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/gray-uniformity-dirty-screen-effect-dse

I guess it sucks that things like this do bother me. Guess I’m just not a person meant to use OLEDs until they can get it worked out.
 
OLED is band aid tech that Apple didn't want to use but were forced to because Micro LED wasn't yet available. Apple resisted many years, and were very critical of OLED over the years for good reason. They ended up using OLED because they had to, not because it's superior. It has significant drawbacks, and if the 5% deeper blacks for you make it worth it then good on ya. I think its junk tech, and so did Apple until 2017.


heres one older example of Tim Cook crapping all over OLED in 2013. OLED has advanced a tad since then, but many o the issues Apple has been critical of are now in the X/XS simply because Apples preferred tech, Micro LED, isn't ready yet.
https://www.cnet.com/news/oled-displays-theyre-awful-says-apples-ceo/


OLED is junk tech? I disagree. On a phone LCD does have advantages. But for a Tv there is really no comparison. The black levels on a OLED TV are literally infinate.
 
And yet there are many examples of OLED displays on these having issues displaying 5% gray properly across the screen.

I guess those just get thrown out.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/gray-uniformity-dirty-screen-effect-dse

I guess it sucks that things like this do bother me. Guess I’m just not a person meant to use OLEDs until they can get it worked out.

Those are tests done on TVs mostly from a couple of years ago (posted Feb of 2016). Not the iPhone displays (which were manufactured to Apple's specifications). Many of the more modern OLEDs fare better, but again, these are 60"+ displays, not 6.5" displays, and they're all different displays than the ones in the iPhones.

The tests I quoted were done on the actual iPhone OLED displays. There is no equivalency between those two sets of tests.
 
And yet there are many examples of OLED displays on these having issues displaying 5% gray properly across the screen.

I guess those just get thrown out.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/gray-uniformity-dirty-screen-effect-dse

I guess it sucks that things like this do bother me. Guess I’m just not a person meant to use OLEDs until they can get it worked out.

Those are tests done on TVs mostly from a couple of years ago (posted Feb of 2016). Not the iPhone displays (which were manufactured to Apple's specifications). Many of the more modern OLEDs fare better, but again, these are 60"+ displays, not 6.5" displays, and they're all different displays than the ones in the iPhones.

The tests I quoted were done on the actual iPhone OLED displays. There is no equivalency between those two sets of tests.

And yet this still poses a problem on modern OLEDs used in iPhones. Do a quick search if you don’t believe me.
 
And yet this still poses a problem on modern OLEDs used in iPhones. Do a quick search if you don’t believe me.

I'll go with the folks that have done comprehensive tests on the actual screens along with the anecdotal and empirical evidence I can see on my phone, my wife's phone, my son's phone, and my co-workers that have X/XS/XS Max phones over people concerned about tests done on TV screens made to different specifications.
 
OLED is junk tech? I disagree. On a phone LCD does have advantages. But for a Tv there is really no comparison. The black levels on a OLED TV are literally infinate.

The best and only argument I can see against OLED are those that suffer eye strain or headaches from it, but that's it due to PWM.
That is a great reason to ditch an OLED device, and I may have to too if it bothers my eyes (I have a 6S+).
Spec wise and visually, OLED is just proven to be a superior technology to LCD. The display professionals prove this over and over again.

The LCD apologists here will defend LCD and the XR, but yet it still has a lower PPI than the existing Plus phones dating back to 2014. If the resolution doesn't bother the person, then great! More power to you! If you prefer LCD and the look, great! you will save lots of money.

However...you can't say the XR screen is universally superior to the X/XS/XS Max phones.
 
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