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I think that fact is the final nail in Displaymates credibility for me. Samsung makes both panels. I think Displaymate is bought and paid for at this point.

Not really. They make screen to spec for Apple. Also if you read they give it bonus for non panel aspects like reflectivity.

Edit: Also thought LG was also making panels this year for the X’s.
 
Yeah, who wants OLED with its brighter screen, better colors, actual true blacks, and power savings. :rolleyes:

When I went from my 7Plus to my X, I realized I'd never go back to LCD.
Now, with my XS Max, I'm in love with my display all over again.
 
One thing i realized about this forum is that ppl are truly brainwashed beyond belief. no sense in trying to argue with someone who's literally on their knees for apple. it's quite sad people are willing to pay over $1000 for a top of the line device when it used to cost much less and they'll make justifications for it too.

At first I thought you meant the people trying to spin XR into top choice. Only thing superior is the price, take that away and rest of argument crumbles.
 
Yeah, who wants OLED with its brighter screen, better colors, actual true blacks, and power savings. :rolleyes:

When I went from my 7Plus to my X, I realized I'd never go back to LCD.
Now, with my XS Max, I'm in love with my display all over again.

You must love eye strain and false PPI counts due to pentile. Also, OLED has proven to draw more power in Apple devices (8+ is battery king for now, XR will beat it)
 
You must love eye strain and false PPI counts due to pentile. Also, OLED has proven to draw more power in Apple devices (8+ is battery king for now, XR will beat it)

You must love washed out Colors! Most people that use these phones don’t get eye strain, only a small subset do. Be a moot argument in a few years when only LCD iPhone is two year old model.
 
If your buying the Xr it’s a great phone. However keep in mind while it’s ~25% cheaper than the Xs/Xs Max, your also missing out on the 25% better feature OLED,better camera , 3D Touch etc. Just be honest and say the Xr is not better.
 
If your buying the Xr it’s a great phone. However keep in mind while it’s ~25% cheaper than the Xs/Xs Max, your also missing out on the 25% better feature OLED,better camera , 3D Touch etc. Just be honest and say the Xr is better.

Indeed I will. The XR is better! ;)
 
Apple has buyers convinced its better when it isn't. Luckily for Apple many are falling for it. Go ahead, pay more for a device with a poor viewing angle, burn in issues, and color shifting. What is this, 1994? The Xs phones also have worse battery life and shatter on impact to marshmallows, resulting in a 599 fee (back glass).

XS is a scam, pure and simple.

Every time I fact check almost any of your claims they seem to come up false:
https://www.ubergizmo.com/articles/lcd-vs-oled-displays/

OLED wins in: Color accuracy, viewing angles, color uniformity, and contrast ratios.

LCD screens only win in: power consumption and cost efficiency, hence they're cheaper to make.

Also, I highly doubt someone is going to display the same image 510 hours continuously to get the
burn in claim you've made. Do you have great evidence of iPhone X burn in with normal use?
 
If your buying the Xr it’s a great phone. However keep in mind while it’s ~25% cheaper than the Xs/Xs Max, your also missing out on the 25% better feature OLED,better camera , 3D Touch etc. Just be honest and say the Xr is not better.

I think you must not have read the thread. In my view, the Xs is a 25% worse phone than the XR that happens to cost more. OLED just sucks.
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Every time I fact check almost any of your claims they seem to come up false:
https://www.ubergizmo.com/articles/lcd-vs-oled-displays/

OLED wins in: Color accuracy, viewing angles, color uniformity, and contrast ratios.

LCD screens only win in: power consumption and cost efficiency, hence they're cheaper to make.

Also, I highly doubt someone is going to display the same image 510 hours continuously to get the
burn in claim you've made. Do you have great evidence of iPhone X burn in with normal use?

When I say viewing angles I'm really talking about color shift, where the color hue of the phone changes (usually to solid blue) on the slightest shift off axis. It's like I'm in 1994 again.
 
You must love eye strain and false PPI counts due to pentile. Also, OLED has proven to draw more power in Apple devices (8+ is battery king for now, XR will beat it)

What eye strain?

My battery lasts more than long enough; the fact that something like the 8+ lasts longer is of no import to me.
 
What eye strain?

My battery lasts more than long enough; the fact that something like the 8+ lasts longer is of no import to me.

Eye strain from PWM flickering, a drawback of OLED screens. Add that to color shift, pentile, and burn in. Welcome to 1994 technology.


LMAO a this hack job to live with the "super duper superior" OLED tech of the iPhone X. When you have to do dumb stuff like this, you know you got junk tech.
https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2018/03/...to-stop-oled-flickering-in-just-three-clicks/

Keep trying to tell yourself that OELD is better, and that because Apple charges more for it, it MUST be better right??
 
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I think you must not have read the thread. In my view, the Xs is a 25% worse phone than the XR that happens to cost more. OLED just sucks.
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When I say viewing angles I'm really talking about color shift, where the color hue of the phone changes (usually to solid blue) on the slightest shift off axis. It's like I'm in 1994 again.

Then it sounds like you found you perfect iPhone. GL
 
Eye strain from PWM flickering, a drawback of OLED screens. Add that to color shift, pentile, and burn in. Welcome to 1994 technology.

Most people (myself included) don't suffer from eye strain. Personally, this includes not only my and my wife's phones, but our 4k OLED tv as well which is viewed regularly by the seven people living in our household. I know some people have an issue with it, but they are in a rather tiny minority.

Color shift is only an issue when viewed from off angle, something very few of us do on any regular basis. Also, as I've posted links to in the past, the color shift on the iPhone's OLED screen is significantly less than those of other phones. A nice benefit of Apple having had the screens made to their own specifications.

So far, zero burn in issues on the iPhone. My own anecdotal experience supports that as well.

The entire industry is moving/has moved to OLED over LCD. LCD is the old tech, OLED has pushed it out of all premium devices.


To be clear, I don't care if someone is comfortable with their LCD screen and prefers a device like the XR over the XS/Max. I'm not making my comments trying to convince anyone to go with the device I happen to prefer ... but I will comment when people pretend OLED is, generally speaking, inferior to LCD for the popular use-cases (phones, TVs, etc), because that's objectively not true.
 
Most people (myself included) don't suffer from eye strain. Personally, this includes not only my and my wife's phones, but our 4k OLED tv as well which is viewed regularly by the seven people living in our household. I know some people have an issue with it, but they are in a rather tiny minority.

Color shift is only an issue when viewed from off angle, something very few of us do on any regular basis. Also, as I've posted links to in the past, the color shift on the iPhone's OLED screen is significantly less than those of other phones. A nice benefit of Apple having had the screens made to their own specifications.

So far, zero burn in issues on the iPhone. My own anecdotal experience supports that as well.

The entire industry is moving/has moved to OLED over LCD. LCD is the old tech, OLED has pushed it out of all premium devices.


To be clear, I don't care if someone is comfortable with their LCD screen and prefers a device like the XR over the XS/Max. I'm not making my comments trying to convince anyone to go with the device I happen to prefer ... but I will comment when people pretend OLED is, generally speaking, inferior to LCD for the popular use-cases (phones, TVs, etc), because that's objectively not true.

OLED is band aid tech that Apple didn't want to use but were forced to because Micro LED wasn't yet available. Apple resisted many years, and were very critical of OLED over the years for good reason. They ended up using OLED because they had to, not because it's superior. It has significant drawbacks, and if the 5% deeper blacks for you make it worth it then good on ya. I think its junk tech, and so did Apple until 2017.


heres one older example of Tim Cook crapping all over OLED in 2013. OLED has advanced a tad since then, but many o the issues Apple has been critical of are now in the X/XS simply because Apples preferred tech, Micro LED, isn't ready yet.
https://www.cnet.com/news/oled-displays-theyre-awful-says-apples-ceo/
 
On his podcast today, Jon Gruber said that the XR is a much better phone than the X (not XS). His argument is that the processor is better than the X, battery life is better than the X and that the single camera is a significant upgrade from the X's single camera. Nilay Patel (who was on the podcast with him) was not sure he agreed. However, the point is that some tech people are making the claim that the XR is an upgrade from the X.
 
OLED is band aid tech that Apple didn't want to use but were forced to because Micro LED wasn't yet available. Apple resisted many years, and were very critical of OLED over the years for good reason. They ended up using OLED because they had to, not because it's superior. It has significant drawbacks, and if the 5% deeper blacks for you make it worth it then good on ya. I think its junk tech, and so did Apple until 2017.


heres one older example of Tim Cook crapping all over OLED in 2013. OLED has advanced a tad since then, but many o the issues Apple has been critical of are now in the X/XS simply because Apples preferred tech, Micro LED, isn't ready yet.
https://www.cnet.com/news/oled-displays-theyre-awful-says-apples-ceo/

Why did they have to? By that logic they should have just done the XR and left OLED to watch only.
 
Why did they have to? By that logic they should have just done the XR and left OLED to watch only.

Because uninformed consumers think OLED is good, so Apple caved. Dont feel bad for them though, they found a lot of people to pay inflated prices for snake oil tech.
 
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On his podcast today, Jon Gruber said that the XR is a much better phone than the X (not XS). His argument is that the processor is better than the X, battery life is better than the X and that the single camera is a significant upgrade from the X's single camera. Nilay Patel (who was on the podcast with him) was not sure he agreed. However, the point is that some tech people are making the claim that the XR is an upgrade from the X.

Sounds like an ill informed opinion. New processor is barely faster than last gen (one of the lowest generational improvements yet) so will equal next to no tangible benefits except to try and make up for lack of dual camera. Will have to wait for reviews of the camera so to compare them now is premature, but all the other steps backward do not a better phone make.
 
Sounds like an ill informed opinion. New processor is barely faster than last gen (one of the lowest generational improvements yet) so will equal next to no tangible benefits except to try and make up for lack of dual camera. Will have to wait for reviews of the camera so to compare them now is premature, but all the other steps backward do not a better phone make.

I'll take Jon Grubers opinion over yours.
 
Because uninformed consumers think OLED is good, so Apple caved. Dont feel bad for them though, they found a lot of people to pay inflated prices for snake oil tech.

Bingo, except we found an uninformed consumer that thinks LCD is better :D
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I'll take Jon Grubers opinion over yours.

Unless he has used the camera (who knows, maybe he did) his guess is as good as anyone’s. Be interesting to see exactly what was said anyway, be surprised if he actually thinks that small list makes it a better phone.
 
Also, I highly doubt someone is going to display the same image 510 hours continuously to get the
burn in claim you've made. Do you have great evidence of iPhone X burn in with normal use?
You don't need the time as a single continuous session. OLED age from each second the are lit, burn in is burned out oleds at a part of the array. And the whole top area with time, receptions etc is very fixed and will show first burn in signs before the year mark.
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To be clear, I don't care if someone is comfortable with their LCD screen and prefers a device like the XR over the XS/Max. I'm not making my comments trying to convince anyone to go with the device I happen to prefer ... but I will comment when people pretend OLED is, generally speaking, inferior to LCD for the popular use-cases (phones, TVs, etc), because that's objectively not true.

OLED is so bad for TV screens that even Samsung them self don't use it in TVs...
 
You don't need the time as a single continuous session. OLED age from each second the are lit, burn in is burned out oleds at a part of the array. And the whole top area with time, receptions etc is very fixed and will show first burn in signs before the year mark.

BOOM, welcome to 1994 when screensavers ruled the world to avoid this problem.

OLED: When you are itching to go backwards in time to experience stuff humanity already solved
 
You don't need the time as a single continuous session. OLED age from each second the are lit, burn in is burned out oleds at a part of the array. And the whole top area with time, receptions etc is very fixed and will show first burn in signs before the year mark.
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OLED is so bad for TV screens that even Samsung them self don't use it in TVs...

Or is it actually that they can't make TV screens as LG owns the white OLED tech that makes it possible for profitable yields on such large panels? No you're right, they only refuse to use them as their QLED is clearly the better TV set, ignore those who claim otherwise!
 
And why is the white oled tech from LG needed? Because the blue OLEDs age insanely fast when forced to emit bright blue light - The main reason for burn in on OLEDs.
 
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