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beanbaguk

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Most of you say "Why they brick the devices". The reason is not only for your safety, its about their safety too. Their services can be compromised by that third party part. And since this is directly connected to Apple Pay, there is just nothing more to say. If this gets compromised we'll have similar situation in terms of finance to vw's dieselgate.

I'm sure people with useless US$1,000 bricked phones feel so much safer now.

Will you seriously listen to yourself?!
 
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Radon87000

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Most of you say "Why they brick the devices". The reason is not only for your safety, its about their safety too. Their services can be compromised by that third party part. And since this is directly connected to Apple Pay, there is just nothing more to say. If this gets compromised we'll have similar situation in terms of finance to vw's dieselgate.
I am sure those affected are overjoyed on paying $700 plus for security
 

b0fh666

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no it is not. pay attention to the time line :

a) user breaks button
b) kiosk repairs button - evertything is working perfectly, maybe even touchid
c) user updates ios, phone bricks.

seriously guys, whats wrong with you? most people don't even use apple pay, some don't even use touchid... this is unacceptable. lucky me i sticked to the 5s :)
 

primorack

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Feb 8, 2016
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I'm sure people with useless US$1,000 bricked phones feel so much safer now.

Will you seriously listen to yourself?!
Whose fault it is that you have broken you phone? Yes thats right - its yours. After that you want to fix it. And for phone that you have paid 1000$ you decide to safe few buck and give it to unauthorized place. What warranty did they give after replacing the part. None right. Whose fault is it. I don't think is Apple's. I'm sure it the agreement that we all accepted after we started using our Apple devices it is written somewhere that it the affect of you opening your phone and making changes to the hardware Apple is obligated to fix it for you. And tell me what is the difference for Apple between you fixing it or unauthorized place fixing it.
 

beanbaguk

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If you had a $10,000 watch would you bring it to a mall kiosk for a disassembly and repair?

I own two $12k watches and they go to independent watch specialists for servicing and repairs. Neither go back to the manufacturers. Both work perfectly.
 

primorack

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Why the honest users like me have to be affected by some hack in the future, because you were to cheap to change the broken part with genuine one. Example - I think I can safe money for some used Porsche, but I'm doing it. You know why. Because I can't afford to maintain it. If you can afford the iPhone and its additional costs don't buy it.
 

beanbaguk

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Whose fault it is that you have broken you phone? Yes thats right - its yours. After that you want to fix it. And for phone that you have paid 1000$ you decide to safe few buck and give it to unauthorized place. What warranty did they give after replacing the part. None right. Whose fault is it. I don't think is Apple's. I'm sure it the agreement that we all accepted after we started using our Apple devices it is written somewhere that it the affect of you opening your phone and making changes to the hardware Apple is obligated to fix it for you. And tell me what is the difference for Apple between you fixing it or unauthorized place fixing it.

Your comment is not only naive, it's as if Apple have somehow managed to brainwash you into genuinely believing the drivel that exits your mind.
  • You're not just saving a few "bucks". It's about a third of the price.
  • Most people affected are out of warranty so would have to pay ridiculous prices anyway.
  • Apple has zero need to "brick" a device. They don't license it to you. You own it. It's your device. You should have to right to do with it as you feel fit.
  • Not everyone in this planet lives near an Apple store. We're not all in the United States of America ;)
    • In fact, my nearest Apple shop is over an hour away and it's the only one that I know of on the South coast of Spain. Appointments as such need to be booked a week in advance and the queues when you enter the store are ridiculous. You you tell me what I'm supposed to do if your phone breaks and you need it fixed asap?
  • Why would Apple allow a third party fix to work in iOS 8.x, yet block it with iOS 9.x without warning?
The only reason regarding the latter point is to make money.

As repeated countless times, (read the thread), Apple could have simply disabled the Touch ID hardware to allow for PIN entry only if they were genuinely worried about security.

This however is about making money. Bricked phone = new phone. Stupid people will pay. Smarter people will question, research and move onto another manufacturer.

This highlights the very worst of Apple and the ludicrous mentality and stupidity of "fanboys" accepting this as if it's ok!
 
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beanbaguk

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Why the honest users like me have to be affected by some hack in the future, because you were to cheap to change the broken part with genuine one. Example - I think I can safe money for some used Porsche, but I'm doing it. You know why. Because I can't afford to maintain it. If you can afford the iPhone and its additional costs don't buy it.

This has nothing about being "honest" or not. It's about being savvy with your money.

And I know many Porsche owners and most get their cars serviced at indie's. I get my BMW serviced at an indie for a fraction of the price. Why should I pay BMW $300 for a pair of brake pads, when I can buy the same ones and get them installed by an indie for $200?

It doesn't affect my warranty and it certainly doesn't brick my car.

Your logic is completely irrational.
 

I7guy

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Nov 30, 2013
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Your comment is not only naive, it's as if Apple have somehow managed to brainwash you into genuinely believing the drivel that exits your mind.
  • You're not just saving a few "bucks". It's about a third of the price.
  • Most people affected are out of warranty so would have to pay ridiculous prices anyway.
  • Apple has zero need to "brick" a device. They don't license it to you. You own it. It's your device. You should have to right to do with it as you feel fit.
  • Not everyone in this planet lives near an Apple store. We're not all in the United States of America ;)
    • In fact, my nearest Apple shop is over an hour away and it's the only one that I know of on the South coast of Spain. Appointments as such need to be booked a week in advance and the queues when you enter the store are ridiculous. You you tell me what I'm supposed to do if your phone breaks and you need it fixed asap?
  • Why would Apple allow a third party fix to work in iOS 8.x, yet block it with iOS 9.x without warning?
The only reason regarding the latter point is to make money.

As repeated countless times, (read the thread), Apple could have simply disabled the Touch ID hardware to allow for PIN entry only if they were genuinely worried about security.

This however is about making money. Bricked phone = new phone. Stupid people will pay. Smarter people will question, research and move onto another manufacturer.

This highlights the very worst of Apple and the ludicrous mentality and stupidity of "fanboys" accepting this as if it's ok!
Could be bricked phone = HTC? Actually this highlights Apple is serious about it's security regardless of the name calling.
 

beanbaguk

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I own a vacheron and that watch only goes, when needed, to authorized repairers...not unauthorized mall kiosks.

You're being very presumptuous and good for you if you send it back to authorised dealers.

However, since many high-end manufacturers use my man for repairs also, I think I'm in pretty good hands. (And he refuses to have any affiliation with any manufacturer).
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
This has nothing about being "honest" or not. It's about being savvy with your money.

And I know many Porsche owners and most get their cars serviced at indie's. I get my BMW serviced at an indie for a fraction of the price. Why should I pay BMW $300 for a pair of brake pads, when I can buy the same ones and get them installed by an indie for $200?

It doesn't affect my warranty and it certainly doesn't brick my car.

Your logic is completely irrational.
That's not the point; if you got an after market ecu installed to increase the turbo and it damaged your engine or rendered it inoperable, is bmw responsible?
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
You're being very presumptuous and good for you if you send it back to authorised dealers.

However, since many high-end manufacturers use my man for repairs also, I think I'm in pretty good hands. (And he refuses to have any affiliation with any manufacturer).
You bring your watches where you want them repaired and I'll bring mine. Let's not be presumptuous shall we.:)
 

primorack

macrumors newbie
Feb 8, 2016
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I gave the Porsche example in the meaning if can't afford to maintain it you DON'T buy it. I live in Bulgaria. We don't have Apple stores here, but we have authorised service. So if have bought it from your country you will have service.If you haven't its your fault. But I get your point.Your phone works fine, you update and then finito. But you have done something that breaks the agreements. The phone is your and you really can do anything with it, but the right for the OS are not. Your hardware still works but with that configuration Apple is not obligated to support their OS on it. Now do you get my point.
 

beanbaguk

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That's not the point; if you got an after market ecu installed to increase the turbo and it damaged your engine or rendered it inoperable, is bmw responsible?

That's an altogether very different scenario. It doesn't compare at all with this.
 
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primorack

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You made changes to the hardware that Apple doesn't approve, so they cut you from their OS.
 

nicho

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A couple of points to correct you on:

  • Apple has zero need to "brick" a device. They don't license it to you. You own it. It's your device. You should have to right to do with it as you feel fit.

you own the device but you don't own the software it runs. you license that software. if a software upgrade won't install because of this, or even fails and renders the whole operating system inoperable apple don't have to fix it. you broke the terms of the license.

i'm not saying i agree with it, but until it's challenged in court, that's how software licensing works.

  • Why would Apple allow a third party fix to work in iOS 8.x, yet block it with iOS 9.x without warning?

a simple google or look down at the similar threads would tell you this is completely wrong.

https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/204861/iTunes+Error+53+-+Please+help!
 

beanbaguk

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I gave the Porsche example in the meaning if can't afford to maintain it you DON'T buy it. I live in Bulgaria. We don't have Apple stores here, but we have authorised service. So if have bought it from your country you will have service.If you haven't its your fault. But I get your point.Your phone works fine, you update and then finito. But you have done something that breaks the agreements. The phone is your and you really can do anything with it, but the right for the OS are not. Your hardware still works but with that configuration Apple is not obligated to support their OS on it. Now do you get my point.

No. Apple do not have any right to render your device completely useless without warning.

It really is that black and white.

If you need another example:

--

You have an unbreakable safe with very valuable items in it. They mean a lot to you. To keep the safe working correctly, you need to use "authorised" service personnel to keep the safe working properly.

One day you realise all they are doing is changing a battery so as the safe is now out of warranty, you do it yourself. Your safe continues to work just fine until you get a software update for your safe (it now shows you the weather on the safe display).

However after the update the safe stops work. All your valuables are locked inside.

You take it to the safe company and they simply turn around to you and tell you there is nothing they can do and you need to throw it away losing all your valuable contents inside.

--

Seriously justify that is fair or morally right?

If you genuinely don't get how wrong this is then I have nothing more to say to you as you're too closed minded to understand this.
 

Radon87000

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Nov 29, 2013
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Yep, if you the purchaser is dumb enough to make an unauthorized repair to the watch and it was bricked in the process; same difference.
But what if the Watch works fine but since Apple is butthurt that I got the same service at a lower price they bricked the device?
 
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