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I guess I was just too excited to see how well the Vega VII kicks NVidia to the curb in professional app performance that I added one to the mMp, calling it an 8,1. lol
Walls work: Ask your router
Are those concrete routers? Or steel slats routers, or sensor walls?
I think that they are sensors....
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I guess I was just too excited to see how well the Vega VII kicks NVidia to the curb in professional app performance that I added one to the mMp, calling it an 8,1. lol
It's a bit early to decide that VII "kicks Nvidia to the curb in professional app performance".

What about Tensorflow - clearly an important professional app. What about ray-tracing rendering performance - clearly an important professional app.

If you look at yesterday's apps, the red team has made strides.
 
Walls work: Ask your router
Are those concrete routers? Or steel slats routers, or sensor walls?
I think that they are sensors....
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It's a bit early to decide that VII "kicks Nvidia to the curb in professional app performance".

What about Tensorflow - clearly an important professional app. What about ray-tracing rendering performance - clearly an important professional app.

If you look at yesterday's apps, the red team has made strides.

Concrete or digital. Walls work. Although organized criminals generally like to tunnel in, whether with a shovel, or by breaking RSA encryption. They generally keep those who don't belong, OUT. Just ask Disney. The studios and the parks are surrounded by walls topped with spikes, mouse ears and razor wire. They even use swamps in Florida filled with gators on some of their borders.

Regarding professional App performance, Adobe's 4k workflow apps seem to work much better with 16GB of the video ram included in the VII, whereas they are crippled on the 2080. NVidia was clearly aiming at gaming, while AMD has a 10 bit enabled professional workflow in mind.
 
I don't think 7.1 will allow PC GFX cards if it has the T2 chip, it will be an apple version with apple Tax and possibly modular so yes I doubt it will be for 7.1 your quite right.

Thanks for the picture. Now the waiting game starts when it comes to Mojave MacOS versions and Vega20/Vega 7 drivers for this baby.
Does this mean, chances are becoming better that we will see full driver support for Vega7 later this year?
I very much hope so, but I do worry a bit when it comes to fan noise as seen in some reviews on youtube. Do you have an educated guess or estimate in terms of timeframe for a suitable Mac driver in MacOS?
 
Do you have an educated guess or estimate in terms of timeframe for a suitable Mac driver in MacOS?


Sorry to say I have no idea what so ever on apples time frame for a driver, lets hope because its AMD they give it more urgency than Nvidia drivers. does any one remember how long it took to get vega 64 support in mac OSX?


All other platforms have a driver, just not OSX
 
Sorry to say I have no idea what so ever on apples time frame for a driver, lets hope because its AMD they give it more urgency than Nvidia drivers. does any one remember how long it took to get vega 64 support in mac OSX?


All other platforms have a driver, just not OSX

Vega 56/64 drivers came within two macOS updates after the card was released. We saw the IDs arrive in one update and then final driver arrive in the next. That coincided with development of iMac Pro so likely that machine with get an update soon.

I also think Navi will be an Apple exclusive for a 2-3 months when it is released.
 
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Vega 56/64 drivers came within two macOS updates after the card was released. We saw the IDs arrive in one update and then final driver arrive in the next. That coincided with development of iMac Pro so likely that machine with get an update soon.

I also think Navi will be an Apple exclusive for a 2-3 months when it is released.

will be nice to get an updated driver for VII in the next few releases, the strange colours freak my eyes out :confused:
 
Vega 56/64 drivers came within two macOS updates after the card was released. We saw the IDs arrive in one update and then final driver arrive in the next. That coincided with development of iMac Pro so likely that machine with get an update soon.

I also think Navi will be an Apple exclusive for a 2-3 months when it is released.

Hmmmm. Here I thought Apple funded Vega and Sony was funding Navi for the PS5.

Although.. I could be wrong..
 
Just a quick update on the VII it has behaved flawless in win 10, I don't think its noisy at all and in windows it overclocks well. one thing I have noticed in win 10 is how sharp the fonts look, everything looks clean and polished, no blur around the fonts at all.


And Navi will go to the playstation 5 and Xbox I belive, we might see PC parts last qtr of 2019 or early 2020 will be good for a new Mac mini and imac's. in the new Mac pro I expect Vega and Polaris options. we shall see I guess.
 
Hmmmm. Here I thought Apple funded Vega and Sony was funding Navi for the PS5.

Although.. I could be wrong..

I don’t mean the console variant of course. But I’m just guessing because have no idea when this Mac Pro will ever arrive. They could just end up creating upgradable desktop “compute towers” that connect to all TB3 Macs and will have Apple’s own GPU and storage upgrades.
 
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And Navi will go to the playstation 5 and Xbox I belive, we might see PC parts last qtr of 2019 or early 2020 will be good for a new Mac mini and imac's. in the new Mac pro I expect Vega and Polaris options. we shall see I guess.

Some creditable rumors place Navi in the May-August timeframe ( July being more likely real and May-June AMD doing lots of talking about them. ). if the Mac Pro slides into Oct then Navi would be creditable. If it is this late Spring then it could come with Polaris. For 2019 Navi is pragmatically a Polaris replacement. Once Navi starts shipping Polaris doesn't make much sense anymore.

The Mac Pro is way past being late. It may not have been tagged to sync up with Navi so may ship without it.

What is going into the console seems to be sliding into 2020.
 
They could just end up creating upgradable desktop “compute towers” that connect to all TB3 Macs and will have Apple’s own GPU and storage upgrades.
And perhaps by 2022 they'll get most of the software problems fixed so that it's usable - but by then the pros will be running Z-Series.

The longer Apple works on the 7,1, the more likely it is that it will be a

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And perhaps by 2022 they'll get most of the software problems fixed so that it's usable...

The longer Apple works on the 7,1, the more likely it is that it will be a

Like Windows is bug free.

Just because Apple talk (or not talked ) about the Mac Pro doesn't necessarily mean they were working on it. For example, I would bet that AMD's roadmap back in Jan-April 2017 had Vegas that were coming Q3-4 2018 ( i.e., some variant similar to this Radeon VII ). If Apple picked intending to hit December 2018 they would have missed.

Similarly if they looked at the roadmap and said "ugh" don't like those targets they could have made the decision to shoot for late 2019 tech. At which point they probably were not working very hard in the rest of 2017 because not much in the way of samples to work with. They couldh ave been spending rest of 2017 and large chunk of 2018 fussing with mainstream iMac redesign. Only after that jump into Mac Pro ( and perhaps iMac Pro ).

Substantive chunks of the Mac product line up are always "comatose' while other subsets updates. There is lots of indication each Mac product has a concurrently running product team ( with a pipeline of updates ). That doesn't mean the complexity is out of control ( and causing every longer delays). It is just a long line to wait in.
 
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Where did you get the #2? You write loads of insightful things but I doubt very seriously you have insight to know Apple has doubled the workforce on the MP7!
LOLISOSWIWD

Great reply!

(Laughing Out Loud I Spit Out Some Wine I Was Drinking - it *is* Sunday evening here.)
 
Where did you get the #2? You write loads of insightful things but I doubt very seriously you have insight to know Apple has doubled the workforce on the MP7!

Companies aren’t going to move to Windows that easily when team workflows are so reliant on the Finder’s features such as wide thumbnail support, color profile support and Finder Labels. The creative teams work under the admin and management teams (who use Macs for office work) and their whole workflow is harmonised via the Finder’s features.

It’s not a problem to have mixed OS environment anyway. It’s good for the PC market to be healthy because that keeps component costs down for Macs and other devices too.

Back on subject of GPUs , guys :))
 
Just like https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-software-quality.2168000/ ...

I was responding to a comment that "upgradable desktop “compute towers” that connect to all TB3 Macs and will have Apple’s own GPU and storage upgrades".

That's a huge software project for an entirely new paradigm, and I doubt that the two people that Apple has working on the MP7,1 can pull it off at launch.

Huge software project for a nonexistent GPU. That wouldn't be hard. Apple's current CPU tech is intrinsically coupled to their A-series CPU. It is only an imaginary decoupled GPU that is being present. Getting what needs to get done for imaginary GPUs doesn't require a large workforce.

Apple doesn't need to build a Blackmagic eGPU clone because Blackmagic is already making it with Apple'ss help. That has already shipped so the next increase in workforce there is about zero also. In 8-10 months will there be a Vega VII power eGPU Pro Plus product from BlackMagic. I wouldn't bet against that ( might need a slightly bigger case to hit the same noise profile. ). Vega VII aimed at DaVinci is a natural fit. I'm pretty sure that AMD itself used DaVinci/Windows benchmarks as some of the princriple sales material associated with the products launch. So a DaVinci/macOS product would make tons of sense.

Massive new Mac Pro specific Apple developers needed for a Thunderbolt connected storage device. Errrrr why?

Is Apple going to build Apple eGPUs? Probably not. They haven't for the last 8 years and there is about zero good reason for them to start now. Apple Thunderbolt multiple bay storage drive. Again 8 years and no evidence.

The whole point of adding Thunderbolt v3 to the next Mac Pro is there is tons of "extra' work they don't have to do but it is already being done by the overall Mac ecosystem that Apple has buillt over the last 3 years. The real question is why would Apple build such an ecosystem and not put base support into the next Mac Pro to take advantage of if optionally necessary?

The cartoonish notion being presented is that Apple is going to try to exclusively try to lean on Thunderbolt. They have already made explicitly commentary that would not the best idea in the Mac Pro space ( back in April 2017). Does that mean they are simply going to clone an HP Z8? nope. There is a wide range of solutions available that go past "monkey see, monkey do".
 
The cartoonish notion being presented is that Apple is going to try to exclusively try to lean on Thunderbolt. They have already made explicitly commentary that would not the best idea in the Mac Pro space ( back in April 2017). Does that mean they are simply going to clone an HP Z8? nope. There is a wide range of solutions available that go past "monkey see, monkey do".
Care to speculate on how you think they'll differentiate themselves from Z8?
 
I had a play with one today, looks very good in the Mac, haven't had a lot of time for a few months as my mother has been ill, but thought I would try this out in a Mac Pro 5.1. it boots ok but colours are strange, no boot screen. just like RX580

I did the PSU mod but direct to the motherboard socket plug that's plugs into the logic board and soldered the cable's for dual 8 pin supply. no issues with power. in windows 10 using watt man I can underplot it to 950mv and it still reaches target 1800mhz and the fans go to 1400 rpm under load. idel its quiet as a mouse.

some of the reviews say its loud but I don't think so even under load. the driver released which was on the 6th is better than the preview driver, but still needs work. bridge temp under load was 67c GPU 58c with undervolting so quite good.

I think this will improve with newer drivers for windows but as usual Mojave has no drivers ready, all other OS variations has a driver, but Mac no. what a surprise!

so you can see what it looks like here she is.


[doublepost=1549729601][/doublepost]every colour on the Mac looks reversed, red looks blue and the drive sleds look orange lol real strange. hopefully Mac drivers soon, but who knows!

how much space was left to the second x16 PCIe slot? could another card fit in?
 
how much space was left to the second x16 PCIe slot? could another card fit in?

Yes another card would fit in, but you would block all the fans off, you would have to switch to 2nd slot for VII and a card underneath, but VII might block that cards fan or fans as well.
 
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It's used as a SSD controller, handling afps encryption, secure boot, touchid, etc.

There is some documentation about having to disable SecureBoot with third party graphics cards on the Windows side, so I would presume it a hardware verification related. To ensure the drive was still in the same machine-but that's a guess at best.
 
There is some documentation about having to disable SecureBoot with third party graphics cards on the Windows side, so I would presume it a hardware verification related. To ensure the drive was still in the same machine-but that's a guess at best.

The default behavior of a T2 Mac is that it won't boot Windows at all. That is a boot a signed operating system 'thing'. Apple approves their own out of the box. If you optionally want to boot Windows that is signed by Microsoft then you need to change settings. If don't mind unsigned operating systems then can turn the signed check off. All of that isn't really about the things on the PCI-e lanes.

Unless the third party cards drivers are invalidating MS's signature, that shouldn't be a problem.

Where folks have previously gone into "hack the mac firmware" mode to get a card to work, that won't work on a T2 system. There isn't an option for unsigned firmware to be placed on the system. The T2 only allows the CPU to see a copy of the validated boot firmware.

Much of the secure boot though is done via the EFI firmware, T2's job is to make sure the firmware doesn't get corrupted.
 
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