That's assuming they already don't have a design since they first approached Verizon.
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That's assuming they already don't have a design since they first approached Verizon.
Rofl sure... the iphone isnt a carrier hor. AT&T is going to pay a cruise ship and a half worth of cash to keep the iPhone. Verizon and sprint dont make sense their CDMA, t-mobile is a liable option but their 3G network runs on a different frequency therefore if Apple cant make the radio tune in via software that requires a new radio which is a pain because now they have to make 2 iPhones.
I never said it was but it makes choice in the long run...why wouldn't Apple want the best selling phone on more carriers? Verizon makes a lot of sense because they have billions of customers and are in a lot of countries under different names. It may run on a different frequency but you do realize that people who jailbreak and unlock run it on T-mobile right? ok just making sure so Apple can just port it over.
As I said, the iPhone will probably go to verizon once AT&T and verizon both run when they each have LTE up and running.
They make more than kind of few things. That argument does not hold water.
Are they making the radios, are buying them from a third party? What make sense is iphone on more carriers in the US. More carriers means more options for people whose carrier coverage varies depending upon where your standing in the US.
I think Verizon keeps floating these rumors out to keep people from switching. If I were Verizon I would do the same thing to try to minimize loss of customers.
the SIM cards in verizon world phones are only used when the phone is overseas, because there is no CDMA networks in most countries other than the US. Verizon has no GSM towers in the US, and so the SIM isnt used when the phone is here
Sprint is going to WiMax as their 4g network, not LTE. So when the iPhone goes LTE, sprint will be left behind no matter what the case is.
when they approached verizon they (allegedly) had just a very clunky and poorly put together concept with no actual cell capabilities, just to showcase how the device would operate. So they had no CDMA radios designed at the time
The iPhone is quad band, so it'll operate overseas, and id be willing to bet that covers TMobiles frequency, and the fact that 3G doesnt work on tmobile when unlocked is more likely than not due to software limitations
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No DA Yeah? I was wondering why they had CDMA and SIM in one phone since in the US they use CDMA
when they approached verizon they (allegedly) had just a very clunky and poorly put together concept with no actual cell capabilities, just to showcase how the device would operate. So they had no CDMA radios designed at the time
You don't know what they have. You just an arm chair speculator like everyone else here.
which would probably explain why i used the word allegedly. look it up. it means im not trying to claim any of that as fact
It's quad-band GSM, but T-Mobile's 3G, as far as I'm aware, is WCDMA. It's a hardware limitation.
I honestly dont get tired of trying to explain the massive difference between GSM/UMTS and CDMA to people when they seam so confident about vzw getting the iPhone.....
Here let me put my invisible CDMA sim into my iPhone and download the hidden apple software update that enables GSM to work on CDMA. wait wut.
Here let me put my invisible CDMA sim into my iPhone and download the hidden apple software update that enables GSM to work on CDMA. wait wut.
Or you could be right. According to the most believable history articles (from WSJ, NYT and some parts of Wired)...
Apple first approached Verizon in the Summer of 2005, and gave up a year later, in the Summer of 2006, when Apple signed an exclusive with ATT.
The first hardware concepts were done on hacked up iPods during Summer-Fall 2005. The iPhone project ("P2" for "Purple 2") started in earnest around Thanksgiving 2005, and the OSX port to the ARM cpu began in early 2006.
So somewhere along there it's possible that Verizon saw something hacked together, but probably not. It is extremely doubtful that they were ever shown a working iPhone, since ATT themselves didn't get to see one until near the end (Dec 2006), and Verizon negotiations were long over by then.
Close but T-Mobiles 3G uses 2100 for downlink and 1700 for upload. iPhone supports UMTS 2100, 1900, 850. One ***** radio from 3G on tmobile USA.....*sigh...if apple would just throw in another radio my life would be easier.
OK, first, I want to believe a Verizon iPhone is coming (but in a couple years since I just got my 3GS with AT&T), but I don't believe it's going to happen for a while.
HOWEVER, I find it so funny that everyone's argument about why it's impossible is because Verizon is CDMA. Um, guys, Apple is a huge company. They design and build several computers, iPods and the iPhone. What makes you think it'd be such a big challenge for them to add CDMA to the iPhone. It's not like it's rocket science. I'm pretty sure their engineers could figure it out. So let's find a different argument, k?
HOWEVER, I find it so funny that everyone's argument about why it's impossible is because Verizon is CDMA. Um, guys, Apple is a huge company. They design and build several computers, iPods and the iPhone. What makes you think it'd be such a big challenge for them to add CDMA to the iPhone. It's not like it's rocket science. I'm pretty sure their engineers could figure it out. So let's find a different argument, k?
I meant to say that it was a WCDMA frequency not supported by the iPhone, but I had to dash away from the computer so I accidentally left that tidbit out as I hastily typed my post
It's a hardware issue as T-Mobile US 3G uses bands the iPhone doesn't support, but it's the same technology (UMTS/HSDPA/WCDMA/whatever you want to call it). It would require a change in hardware, but the change would be trivial compared to what it would take to get the iPhone working on a CDMA network.
It's not cost prohibitive. GSM has 3 billion users in the world, and is an open standard. CDMA has 300 million and is a closed standard, meaning manufacturers have to pay royalties to Qualcomm. I don't know why manufacturers continue to manufacture CDMA handsets, but Verizon is lucky they do. It's not worth it for Apple to make a CDMA phone, especially with Verizon, one of the biggest CDMA carriers in the world, moving to LTE.
I don't believe the argument is that Apple couldn't make a CDMA iPhone, but I believe the argument is that CDMA is a dying technology that is localized almost exclusively in the US, and that Apple wouldn't invest in such technology.
While I agree that it's dying, it's not US-only:
Hmmm, who knew Asia had so many CDMA subscribers. Does that include WCDMA?
Also I must say it's really nice to see an Admin involved in the conversation.
That does not include WCDMA. It's cdmaOne, CDMA2000 and EVDO, I believe. The figures are from June of this year.
It's funny, I always assumed that CDMA was inferior to GSM. However, about a year ago I bought a new house and moved out of GSM coverage so I was forced to switch. I was amazed by the improvement in voice quality and speeds, and after doing some research I see how much GSM sucks
However, as mentioned above, CDMA2000 is a dying technology. The incompatible WCDMA is getting a very strong following, and my carrier is now selling WCDMA phones instead of CDMA2000. You can still connect a CDMA2000 phone but they're getting phased out in favour of WCDMA. Virtually all WCDMA phones also support GSM, which is of course supported in almost all countries and is therefore good for roaming.
It's funny, I always assumed that CDMA was inferior to GSM. However, about a year ago I bought a new house and moved out of GSM coverage so I was forced to switch. I was amazed by the improvement in voice quality and speeds, and after doing some research I see how much GSM sucks
However, as mentioned above, CDMA2000 is a dying technology. The incompatible WCDMA is getting a very strong following, and my carrier is now selling WCDMA phones instead of CDMA2000. You can still connect a CDMA2000 phone but they're getting phased out in favour of WCDMA. Virtually all WCDMA phones also support GSM, which is of course supported in almost all countries and is therefore good for roaming.
Okay, cause from what I understand WCDMA is more like our GSM than our CDMA. Regardless, I'm still pretty surprised by these numbers. It goes against everything I thought I knew ... You just blew my mind.
The WCDMA air protocol is more like CDMA's EVDO. They come from the same roots.
Any CDMA air protocol was always superior to GSM's TDMA, which is why some carriers skipped straight to using CDMA. CDMA allows more users and more bandwidth, and with its soft handoff, far less dropped calls.
The original 1G-2G GSM standard was cheap to deploy, worked well for Europe's more dense population, and SIMs were necessary because of more countries being involved in close proximity, but it was not the best for places like the USA.
The CDMA-based carriers were able to deploy 3G much faster and easier because they started with CDMA. The GSM carriers had to add WCDMA radios and support.
CDMA is now up to 500 million worldwide. It's been growing, not getting smaller. The reason you don't hear much about it, is because few of them are inter-workable. There's a push lately to change that, but I'm not sure how far it'll go.
Of course, both setups will eventually disappear in favor of 4G or 5G networks. It's just the way it goes.
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gotcha. I figured as much.I meant to say that it was a WCDMA frequency not supported by the iPhone, but I had to dash away from the computer so I accidentally left that tidbit out as I hastily typed my post
GSM/UMTS combo is SO much easier for the end user though. No custom software by every CDMA2000 carrier and with GSM grab a SIM card pop it in a handset and your set as long as the frequencys are compatible. Think about it, you don't want to rely on a phone store to activate your phone if you live really far from one which may be the case in many countrys...While I agree that it's dying, it's not US-only: