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batting1000

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Prove it. Oh and all Siri does is say I found this for you and you have to read it. What if you are in a car and cant read your tiny little screen while driving? Google reads your answer to you and is much quicker and more accurate.

Already proved it yesterday: https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=15180275#post15180275

If you can't read that big bold text by taking a quick glance at your screen, you shouldn't be driving.

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Which is what Siri does.

Exactly. That's my point. I said it's nothing new. Siri does other stuff Google Now can't like open apps, move around calendar events, etc.
 

mbell1975

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Already proved it yesterday: https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=15180275#post15180275

If you can't read that big bold text by taking a quick glance at your screen, you shouldn't be driving.

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Exactly. That's my point. I said it's nothing new. Siri does other stuff Google Now can't like open apps, move around calendar events, etc.

That doesn't prove anything. You could have just typed that into Google :rolleyes: I want to see video proof of you asking Siri that and her responding.
 
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NZed

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Im confused. All you have to do is put "Google" at the beginning of your Siri queries and you'll get the EXACT same answers as Google Now. All Google Now does is search Google for you. Nothing new here.

Ooooh, I here a mad apple fanboy! But then again, I am on MacRumors, tying away on my MacBook Pro and listening to music from my ipad while i load more music to my ipod and texting on my GALAXY S2. You mad?
 

jeffe

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Google voice search is part of the evolution of google search. Voice in and Voice out. Specific answers to questions without having to sift through a mountain of data. That's the point.

Trust me, It is much a different experience to have a program quickly respond to your questions using a natural voice over just doing a regular web search like you are used to. These next few years are going to be very interesting to watch as it develops.


It's possible, but Siri already does Google Searches so what's the point?
 

matttye

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Vegastouch

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That's not a voice comparison. That is typing in google compared to talking to Siri.

Where in that article did it say he typed in those questions? And if he typed them in, why would he mention that of the 1600 questions he asked, 800 of them were in a quite room while the other 800 were on the bust streets?

Yeah im sure he "typed" them in because it really matters if he were on a busy street or in a quite room.:rolleyes:

Did you guys even READ the article? You cant be that dense.
 

batting1000

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That doesn't prove anything. You could have just typed that into Google :rolleyes: I want to see video proof of you asking Siri that and her responding.

That's fine but if I tell Siri to search that, I'll get the same results. Why do I need a video to show that Siri can search google when we all know she can?
 

batting1000

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Are you actually having a laugh? You really think it's appropriate to take your eyes off the road and read your phone while you're driving?

What a stupid thing to say. I hope you don't have a driving licence.

I wasn't saying you should be using your phone while driving. You cannot sit here and tell me you've never looked at your phone when you're sitting at a light. I didn't mean while you were driving.

Stop putting words into my mouth.
 

batting1000

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Where in that article did it say he typed in those questions? And if he typed them in, why would he mention that of the 1600 questions he asked, 800 of them were in a quite room while the other 800 were on the bust streets?

Yeah im sure he "typed" them in because it really matters if he were on a busy street or in a quite room.:rolleyes:

Did you guys even READ the article? You cant be that dense.

No. Did YOU read the article.

Yep, unfair test.

"Google understands 100% of the questions (not surprisingly, since they are keyed in)"
 

matttye

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I wasn't saying you should be using your phone while driving. You cannot sit here and tell me you've never looked at your phone when you're sitting at a light. I didn't mean while you were driving.

Stop putting words into my mouth.

Perhaps if you were more specific people wouldn't assume things.

Course I look at things when I'm at a light or in a queue of traffic. :)
 

matttye

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YES, and i posted what he said how he took the test. I guess you didnt.

It is definitely comparing typed Google searches to searches using Siri. There's a few bits of evidence in the article: -

1. "Google understands 100% of the questions (not surprisingly, since they are keyed in)" - keyed in, aka typed in.

2. "Siri comprehends 83% of queries in noisy conditions, 89% in a quiet room" - there is no mention of Google's performance in noisy/quiet conditions (because it's typed).

3. "'In order to become a viable mobile search alternative,' Munster writes, 'Siri must match or surpass Google's accuracy of B+ and move from a grade D to a B or higher.'" - Google voice search can't possibly be a more viable mobile search alternative yet because it's not even officially released. It therefore must be talking about something that's already out; typed Google searches.

I thought the same at first, that it was talking about Google voice search, but it's not. It's comparing the tried and true typed Google search to a Siri search.
 

batting1000

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That doesn't prove anything. You could have just typed that into Google :rolleyes: I want to see video proof of you asking Siri that and her responding.

Here's a video of Siri searching Google;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn04UXkOESE

Of course that's not really an informational question but it just shows that Siri searches Google. Had he said something like "Google How old is Will Smith?" it would have opened Google and showed his age and birthday JUST like Google Now would.
 

jeffe

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Wrong, google voice search would specifically answer your question verbally using a near-human voice.

Siri opens a web browser and then places a web search for you returning a listing of google results that you have to look at.

There is a difference.







Here's a video of Siri searching Google;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn04UXkOESE

Of course that's not really an informational question but it just shows that Siri searches Google. Had he said something like "Google How old is Will Smith?" it would have opened Google and showed his age and birthday JUST like Google Now would.
 

Vegastouch

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It is definitely comparing typed Google searches to searches using Siri. There's a few bits of evidence in the article: -

1. "Google understands 100% of the questions (not surprisingly, since they are keyed in)" - keyed in, aka typed in.

2. "Siri comprehends 83% of queries in noisy conditions, 89% in a quiet room" - there is no mention of Google's performance in noisy/quiet conditions (because it's typed).

3. "'In order to become a viable mobile search alternative,' Munster writes, 'Siri must match or surpass Google's accuracy of B+ and move from a grade D to a B or higher.'" - Google voice search can't possibly be a more viable mobile search alternative yet because it's not even officially released. It therefore must be talking about something that's already out; typed Google searches.

I thought the same at first, that it was talking about Google voice search, but it's not. It's comparing the tried and true typed Google search to a Siri search.

I dont think it is clear he typed them in. Sure he says they were keyed in but then with he responses of how Siri needs to step it up and the fact he would give grades by doing it that way imo are lame.

So i emailed him and asked him. Im waiting for a response.

In the posted youtube videos, Google clearly is much better than Siri.
 

batting1000

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Wrong, google voice search would specifically answer your question verbally using a near-human voice.

Siri opens a web browser and then places a web search for you returning a listing of google results.

There is a difference.

How am I wrong? I told you it would open Google...

Here's what happens in order:
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Google now does the same thing and shows the same data. It just gets read to you. I don't expect Siri to read it to me because I'm being brought to the browser. Who cares if it doesn't read it to me? I'm more than capable.
 
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jeffe

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Because it is not just like google voice search would, the new google voice search would respond to your question verbally.



How am I wrong? I told you it would open Google...

Google now does the same thing and shows the same data. It just gets read to you. I don't expect Siri to read it to me because I'm being brought to the browser. He cares if it doesn't read it to me? I'm more than capable.
 

matttye

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I dont think it is clear he typed them in. Sure he says they were keyed in but then with he responses of how Siri needs to step it up and the fact he would give grades by doing it that way imo are lame.

So i emailed him and asked him. Im waiting for a response.

In the posted youtube videos, Google clearly is much better than Siri.

I agree. Google has the best voice recognition by far. The only thing is that it doesn't seem as intelligent as Siri - yet.

You can't say things like "remind me to get milk when I leave" or "am I working tomorrow?" as far as I know. They're just a couple of examples of many.
 

jeffe

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You can just read it yourself. What's the big deal?

I can also just open safari and type in my query myself. Whats the big deal with opening siri and saying "google blah blah"?

This is an advancement of Google search and is just Google continuing to evolve. Whether you think it is a big deal or not is subjective.
 
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