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matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
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Lincoln, England
Again that's not true. Siri or Google Now aren't only for eyes free operation.

Nope, but at least you have the option with Google.

If you're asking a question by voice, you more than likely want a response by voice too. If you ask a question by typing, you more than likely want a typed response.

If you send someone a letter, you usually expect a response "by return." That's the usual method of communicating.
 

Julien

macrumors G4
Jun 30, 2007
11,859
5,445
Atlanta
Where in that article did it say he typed in those questions? And if he typed them in, why would he mention that of the 1600 questions he asked, 800 of them were in a quite room while the other 800 were on the bust streets?

Yeah im sure he "typed" them in because it really matters if he were on a busy street or in a quite room.:rolleyes:

Did you guys even READ the article? You cant be that dense.

...Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster has put Siri to the test, asking his iPhone 1,600 questions in total...When testing Google, the search engine understood 100 per cent of the typed in questions and replied accurately 86 per cent of the time, earning a B+ from the analyst....

http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=E65BE88A-0DFA-4A90-3488D9EF7BF30A64
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
6,185
992
Las Vegas, NV

Why dont you quote the article that was written by the guy who did the testing? In that, he didnt say he "typed" them in and why i sent him an email. So though it suggests he may have, his posted results that dont make sense to me that he would do that(typing them in) while saying Siri needs to step it up.

In your posted article, Siri was called "poo-poo" by Woz.

You could very well be right , but i just dont see the point of making a test of both while not asking both the same questions.

However, youtube vids posted here make Google Now look much better.
 

batting1000

macrumors 604
Sep 4, 2011
7,464
1,874
Florida
Why dont you quote the article that was written by the guy who did the testing? In that, he didnt say he typed them in and why i sent him an email. So though i suggests he may have, his posted results dont make sense to me that he would do that while saying Siri needs to tep it up.

In your posted article, Siri was called "poo-poo".

Quoted.

Google understands 100% of the questions (not surprisingly, since they are keyed in)
Google replies accurately 86% of the time
Siri comprehends 83% of queries in noisy conditions, 89% in a quiet room
Siri answers accurately 62% of the time on the street and 68% in a quiet room.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/29/minneapolis-street-test-google-gets-a-b-apples-siri-gets-a-d/
 

matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
4,957
32
Lincoln, England
Why dont you quote the article that was written by the guy who did the testing? In that, he didnt say he "typed" them in and why i sent him an email. So though it suggests he may have, his posted results that dont make sense to me that he would do that(typing them in) while saying Siri needs to step it up.

In your posted article, Siri was called "poo-poo" by Woz.

I think he's comparing them because they're both used for search. It don't really matter that one is voice activated and the other typed; he's simply comparing their ability to search.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
6,185
992
Las Vegas, NV
I think he's comparing them because they're both used for search. It don't really matter that one is voice activated and the other typed; he's simply comparing their ability to search.

Well i think he should ask both systems but still, you cant convince the Apple fans it was a legit test because Siri lost. I mean the videos are better proof that Google is much better but the fanboys want to only point to the article.

Video dont lie.
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
I can also just open safari and type in my query myself. Whats the big deal with opening siri and saying "google blah blah"?

This is an advancement of Google search and is just Google continuing to evolve. Whether you think it is a big deal or not is subjective.

Exactly. That Siri search is the equivalent of just using the speech to text in the Google search bar, big deal. Google Now is a ton better.
 

jeffe

macrumors 6502a
Feb 17, 2008
601
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Shouldn't discount Siri as it is useful as well and its a big deal for lots of people.
 
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Julien

macrumors G4
Jun 30, 2007
11,859
5,445
Atlanta
Well i think he should ask both systems but still....

It was not about Siri vs Google or voice recognition vs voice recognition. It was about evaluating how well Siri does at replacing the gold standard of search, Google. So the question he was answering was: How good is Siri voice at replacing your standard (normal) way of searching (Google typed).
 

gladoscc

macrumors 6502
Original poster
Jul 13, 2011
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Why Siri won't be able to chase up with Jellybean

Questions that both Siri and Google Now can answer
What's the weather?
What restaurants are nearby?
Set a timer for 10 minutes

etc

Questions that Siri can't answer but Google Now can answer
What is the best selling PS2 game?
How can I fix CLR error 40048008?
What does 404 mean?

How does Google Now answer it? Google search, that's it. There's Knowledge Graph for instant answers, but Knowledge Graph is limited. Google search can handle whatever you throw on it.

There's really only two search engines, Google and Bing. Yahoo = Bing. Duckduckgo = Bing. Aol = Bing. Building a search engine is a tremendous task, and you can't compete with Google, just like how you can't compete with Facebook. Lots have tried, all has failed. Apple won't be the exception.

So, since Google is Apple's enemy, Siri can't integrate Google results. Microsoft (Bing) has Windows Phone. The only thing left for Apple to do is to build their own search engine, and if they did, they're just throwing their money away, as they won't be 10% as successful as google no matter how hard they try. Google would cancel the Safari default search contract, people will buy Android phones just so they can use google.

Siri needs more informational sources. But Google Now has all information sources. Google Now can answer every question that can be answered by a google search, which is practically everything. Siri is just Wolfram alpha with some device functions.
 

The iGentleman

macrumors 6502a
Jul 13, 2012
543
0
Questions that both Siri and Google Now can answer
What's the weather?
What restaurants are nearby?
Set a timer for 10 minutes

etc

Questions that Siri can't answer but Google Now can answer
What is the best selling PS2 game?
How can I fix CLR error 40048008?
What does 404 mean?

How does Google Now answer it? Google search, that's it. There's Knowledge Graph for instant answers, but Knowledge Graph is limited. Google search can handle whatever you throw on it.

There's really only two search engines, Google and Bing. Yahoo = Bing. Duckduckgo = Bing. Aol = Bing. Building a search engine is a tremendous task, and you can't compete with Google, just like how you can't compete with Facebook. Lots have tried, all has failed. Apple won't be the exception.

So, since Google is Apple's enemy, Siri can't integrate Google results. Microsoft (Bing) has Windows Phone. The only thing left for Apple to do is to build their own search engine, and if they did, they're just throwing their money away, as they won't be 10% as successful as google no matter how hard they try. Google would cancel the Safari default search contract, people will buy Android phones just so they can use google.

Siri needs more informational sources. But Google Now has all information sources. Google Now can answer every question that can be answered by a google search, which is practically everything. Siri is just Wolfram alpha with some device functions.

I agree with you that Google Now is better, but I disagree on the reasons why. Yes Google answers questions better than Siri, but that's just a part of it. Google Now does other things, like check the traffic to your most likely next destination and shows you the travel time, traffic, and routes to get there. It does that automatically without you having to do anything. If you're waiting at a bus stop, Google Now will automatically tell you what time the next bus should arrive. When your favorite team is playing, Google Now will update you with the score of the game, automatically. If you have an appointment scheduled, Google Now will check the time it will take to get there (with current traffic), and notify you of when you should leave. Again, it does this automatically. It is this kind of stuff that is the reason Google Now is better than Siri in my opinion. Voice searching is just a piece of the puzzle.
 

Vegasryn

macrumors 6502
Mar 31, 2010
398
336
Las Vegas, NV
Questions that both Siri and Google Now can answer
What's the weather?
What restaurants are nearby?
Set a timer for 10 minutes

etc

Questions that Siri can't answer but Google Now can answer
What is the best selling PS2 game?
How can I fix CLR error 40048008?
What does 404 mean?

How does Google Now answer it? Google search, that's it. There's Knowledge Graph for instant answers, but Knowledge Graph is limited. Google search can handle whatever you throw on it.

There's really only two search engines, Google and Bing. Yahoo = Bing. Duckduckgo = Bing. Aol = Bing. Building a search engine is a tremendous task, and you can't compete with Google, just like how you can't compete with Facebook. Lots have tried, all has failed. Apple won't be the exception.

So, since Google is Apple's enemy, Siri can't integrate Google results. Microsoft (Bing) has Windows Phone. The only thing left for Apple to do is to build their own search engine, and if they did, they're just throwing their money away, as they won't be 10% as successful as google no matter how hard they try. Google would cancel the Safari default search contract, people will buy Android phones just so they can use google.

Siri needs more informational sources. But Google Now has all information sources. Google Now can answer every question that can be answered by a google search, which is practically everything. Siri is just Wolfram alpha with some device functions.

The 3 things you said SIRI couldnt answer - she actually could be prefacing it with "google" ...brings up a google search result which is the only thing that google is doing anyways...dont see your argument
 

nuckinfutz

macrumors 603
Jul 3, 2002
5,542
406
Middle Earth
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Siri needs more informational sources. But Google Now has all information sources. Google Now can answer every question that can be answered by a google search, which is practically everything. Siri is just Wolfram alpha with some device functions.

Siri does need more resources but it's not a voice enabled Wolfram and Siri isn't designed to leverage the web as its sole resource but rather just an adjunct to it's own built in hierarchy of domains.

The idea isn't to pool the vast amount of web resources which tend to be tainted by SEO and other tricks. The idea is to tap in rich sources of information that reside in databases like Wolfram or Yelp or SBNation.
 

CallOfDuty

macrumors 6502
Jun 23, 2012
330
2
I'm quite an Apple fanatic, but I do agree that Google Now is indeed on par if not in some cases better than Siri. Google Now, as proved by many sources, it much faster than Siri.

With Android 4.1 Jelly, if I'm not mistaken, speech to text is now done right on the phone, offline. Then it sends these package to the server and the server immediately processes the required information and sends it back to you. On the other hand, Siri sends your voice recording to its server and the server converts these packets into text and processes the information before sending it back to you. This is why Google now is way faster than Siri - It edges in speed by doing voice processing right on the phone, skipping a step compared to Siri.

Of course, this is based on my own theory of why Google Now is much faster, I derived at this theory since they said that offline voice to text is available on Jelly bean. I watched many videos of Google Now in action and I noticed that they actually do voice processing simultaneously as you speak- so it seems to me its done on the phone itself. Of course, If i'm wrong I do accept criticism.

Google Now is much more functional than Siri while Siri is more personal deep down. While you can sometimes crack informal conversations with Siri, With Google Now you can't. So i guess Google Now is more of a nerd than Siri. So it actually depends on your preference.
Right now, Google Now edges Siri in terms of Functually and is slightly better overall. But once iOS 6 releases, Siri would tie Google Now again with new functionalities.
 

The iGentleman

macrumors 6502a
Jul 13, 2012
543
0
The 3 things you said SIRI couldnt answer - she actually could be prefacing it with "google" ...brings up a google search result which is the only thing that google is doing anyways...dont see your argument
But the whole point in Siri is to not have to remember commands. If you have to think about if Siri can answer the question or not, and if you should instead do a Google search, then it has come up short. A person shouldn't have to give that much thought to what they are about to ask. They should be able to just ask it, and let the phone figure it out.
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I'm quite an Apple fanatic, but I do agree that Google Now is indeed on par if not in some cases better than Siri. Google Now, as proved by many sources, it much faster than Siri.

With Android 4.1 Jelly, if I'm not mistaken, speech to text is now done right on the phone, offline. Then it sends these package to the server and the server immediately processes the required information and sends it back to you. On the other hand, Siri sends your voice recording to its server and the server converts these packets into text and processes the information before sending it back to you. This is why Google now is way faster than Siri - It edges in speed by doing voice processing right on the phone, skipping a step compared to Siri.

Of course, this is based on my own theory of why Google Now is much faster, I derived at this theory since they said that offline voice to text is available on Jelly bean. I watched many videos of Google Now in action and I noticed that they actually do voice processing simultaneously as you speak- so it seems to me its done on the phone itself. Of course, If i'm wrong I do accept criticism.

Google Now is much more functional than Siri while Siri is more personal deep down. While you can sometimes crack informal conversations with Siri, With Google Now you can't. So i guess Google Now is more of a nerd than Siri. So it actually depends on your preference.
Right now, Google Now edges Siri in terms of Functually and is slightly better overall. But once iOS 6 releases, Siri would tie Google Now again with new functionalities.
I think Google didn't make it conversational because beyond the novelty of it, it really has no use. I've had many different "conversations" with Siri, but it's more of an entertainment thing than a useful thing.

As for you saying Siri is more personal than Google Now, I have to say you are wrong. Google Now combines all of what Google already knows about you from your activity across all Google's products (that's why that privacy policy change was significant), and makes predictions and suggestions based on what Google knows about you. Google Now can predict your most likely next destination based on your past travels. Siri doesn't have anything even remotely as intimate as that. Google Now is definitely MUCH more personal.

As for iOS6 bringing Siri back on par with Google Now, that won't happen. Yes Siri will get new functions in iOS 6, but it still won't be able to do any of the automatic things that take place on their own in Google Now. For example, Google Now can check the traffic to your most likely next destination and shows you the travel time, traffic, and routes to get there. It does that automatically without you having to do anything. If you're waiting at a bus stop, Google Now will automatically tell you what time the next bus should arrive. When your favorite team is playing, Google Now will update you with the score of the game, automatically. If you have an appointment scheduled, Google Now will check the time it will take to get there (with current traffic), and notify you of when you should leave. Again, it does this automatically.
 

decafjava

macrumors 603
Feb 7, 2011
5,515
8,031
Geneva
Duckduckgo = Bing.

I call BS, where did you get this info??

Here are their sources:

http://help.duckduckgo.com/customer/portal/articles/216399-sources

DuckDuckGo gets its results from over 50 sources, including DuckDuckBot (our own crawler), crowd-sourced sites (in our own index), Yahoo! (through BOSS), embed.ly, WolframAlpha, EntireWeb, Bing, and Blekko.


Bing is one of many sources, and they still don't track you or bubble you so +1 for DDG.
 

DodgeV83

macrumors 6502a
Feb 8, 2012
879
6
The 3 things you said SIRI couldnt answer - she actually could be prefacing it with "google" ...brings up a google search result which is the only thing that google is doing anyways...dont see your argument

Exactly. I don't think people realize this. I compared Siri and Google now with a friend, he said "Movies in my city" and I said "Google movies in my city". The results were 100% exactly the same. The interface of the results even looked identical, as Google Now simply brought up the Gogle Search.

From what I've seen, that part of Google now is simply a front-end to a dictation of Goole Search.

The real comparison is the AI of Siri, vs the automation aspects of Google Now. I haven't seen any indication that the Google Now automation (traffic, bus stops...etc) actually works well, and doesn't kill your battery life in the process. The idea of my phone constantly checking it's location so it can download things in the background for me in case happen to check, doesn't seem very battery efficient. People on XDA are already turning it off for "HUGE battery savings" and recommending others turn it off as well.

On the other hand, I've already seen how the AI in Siri sets it apart:

"Remind me when I get to my Dad's to call Mom and let her know I arrived."

"When is my next meeting with Scott?"

"Am I free tomorrow at 11am?"

"Wake me up in 8 hours"

"Move my 3pm meeting to 4:30"

"Reschedule my appointment with Dr. manning to next Monday at 9am"

"Tell my girlfriend I'll be 10 minutes late"

"Remind me when I leave, to pick up milk"

"Did my girlfriend send me an email today?"

"Show me my last email from my Mom"

"Play my work playlist" - and have it play from the cloud if the songs aren't on my device

"Read my messages" - then - "Reply see you then!"

"Find the email about iPad" - then - "Reply sure, let's get it."

"When is my next meeting?" - then - "Cancel it"

"Cancel all my meetings for today"

"Is my son still at school?"

It's Siri's intelligence that sets it apart from just dictating the words into a Google search.
 

CallOfDuty

macrumors 6502
Jun 23, 2012
330
2
But the whole point in Siri is to not have to remember commands. If you have to think about if Siri can answer the question or not, and if you should instead do a Google search, then it has come up short. A person shouldn't have to give that much thought to what they are about to ask. They should be able to just ask it, and let the phone figure it out.
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I think Google didn't make it conversational because beyond the novelty of it, it really has no use. I've had many different "conversations" with Siri, but it's more of an entertainment thing than a useful thing.

As for you saying Siri is more personal than Google Now, I have to say you are wrong. Google Now combines all of what Google already knows about you from your activity across all Google's products (that's why that privacy policy change was significant), and makes predictions and suggestions based on what Google knows about you. Google Now can predict your most likely next destination based on your past travels. Siri doesn't have anything even remotely as intimate as that. Google Now is definitely MUCH more personal.

As for iOS6 bringing Siri back on par with Google Now, that won't happen. Yes Siri will get new functions in iOS 6, but it still won't be able to do any of the automatic things that take place on their own in Google Now. For example, Google Now can check the traffic to your most likely next destination and shows you the travel time, traffic, and routes to get there. It does that automatically without you having to do anything. If you're waiting at a bus stop, Google Now will automatically tell you what time the next bus should arrive. When your favorite team is playing, Google Now will update you with the score of the game, automatically. If you have an appointment scheduled, Google Now will check the time it will take to get there (with current traffic), and notify you of when you should leave. Again, it does this automatically.

Quite agreed. I don't have a 4S, I have a 4. But I couldn't see myself talking to Siri like a friend when I get the new iPhone slated to come out. I guess I totally forgot about the whole integration part. But what I meant was siri was personal as in it has more personality, which I personally find useless. Google Now is simply more integrated with your life, which is shown by what you've said.

So, Google Now > Siri? :)
 

The iGentleman

macrumors 6502a
Jul 13, 2012
543
0
Quite agreed. I don't have a 4S, I have a 4. But I couldn't see myself talking to Siri like a friend when I get the new iPhone slated to come out. I guess I totally forgot about the whole integration part. But what I meant was siri was personal as in it has more personality, which I personally find useless. Google Now is simply more integrated with your life, which is shown by what you've said.

So, Google Now > Siri? :)

I definitely have to agree. Siri is only useful in those times you actually use it (for me that's once or twice a week). Google Now is useful regardless of if you are actively using it or not. It will be interesting to see what other features they add when Key Lime Pie comes out later this year.

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Exactly. I don't think people realize this. I compared Siri and Google now with a friend, he said "Movies in my city" and I said "Google movies in my city". The results were 100% exactly the same. The interface of the results even looked identical, as Google Now simply brought up the Gogle Search.

From what I've seen, that part of Google now is simply a front-end to a dictation of Goole Search.

The real comparison is the AI of Siri, vs the automation aspects of Google Now. I haven't seen any indication that the Google Now automation (traffic, bus stops...etc) actually works well, and doesn't kill your battery life in the process. The idea of my phone constantly checking it's location so it can download things in the background for me in case happen to check, doesn't seem very battery efficient. People on XDA are already turning it off for "HUGE battery savings" and recommending others turn it off as well.
No Google Now doesn't add extra drain on the battery. I can attest to that from actual use of it. As for saying you can just say "Google" before a search, the whole point in Siri is to not have to remember commands. If you have to think about if Siri can answer the question or not, and if you should instead do a Google search, then it has come up short. A person shouldn't have to give that much thought to what they are about to ask. They should be able to just ask it, and let the phone figure it out. You shouldn't have to remember to say "Google" in front of certain things, but not in front of others.
 

oBMTo

macrumors 6502
Oct 12, 2010
271
0
It's Siri's intelligence that sets it apart from just dictating the words into a Google search.

I guess Siri asking if I wanted picture of a stallion while I asked for the score of the last Kansas City game was pretty intelligent.
 

DodgeV83

macrumors 6502a
Feb 8, 2012
879
6
I definitely have to agree. Siri is only useful in those times you actually use it (for me that's once or twice a week). Google Now is useful regardless of if you are actively using it or not. It will be interesting to see what other features they add when Key Lime Pie comes out later this year.

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No Google Now doesn't add extra drain on the battery. I can attest to that from actual use of it. As for saying you can just say "Google" before a search, the whole point in Siri is to not have to remember commands. If you have to think about if Siri can answer the question or not, and if you should instead do a Google search, then it has come up short. A person shouldn't have to give that much thought to what they are about to ask. They should be able to just ask it, and let the phone figure it out. You shouldn't have to remember to say "Google" in front of certain things, but not in front of others.

The Google Now cards feature is a constant drain on the battery, this is an indisputable fact. It is constantly checking your location and constantly downloading in the background. Unless you are asserting that there is a separate source of electricity that powers these features besides the battery, I don't see how you can argue it doesn't add extra battery drain.

The argument being made here, isn't that Google Now is better than Siri because it provides the same information in a more efficient manner, the argument being made is that those Google Now information searches are something that Siri can't do.

That argument is incorrect. All the video shows is that Google now defaults to a Google Search, while Siri defaults to a more local search before resorting to Google. If it can't find the answer locally, it asks if you'd like to do a Google Search.

For example, on Google Now, if you ask "What's my girlfriend's email address?"...it will do a google search for "What's my girlfriend's email address?" which completely fails.

If I ask Siri the same question, and Siri doesn't know who my girlfriend is, it will ask, "Who is your girlfriend?", I will provide the answer, and Siri will give me her address. From then on, Siri will know who my girlfriend is, and will not ask again.

Now for the opposite, if I ask Google Now, "Where is that Egyptian museum in San Jose?"...it does a Google Search and shows me.

If I ask Siri the same question, it will respond, "I don't know that. Would you like to search the web?", and when I confirm it will provide the exact same answer as Google Now. However, I have the option to simply say "Google where is that Egyptian museum in San Jose?"...and it will provide the exact same answer, with exactly the same speed as Google Now.

In this example, both Siri and Google Now give exactly the same result, only Siri will give an additional prompt of you don't say "Google" or "Search the web for" first. In the "What's my girlfriend's email address?" example, however, Google Now falls flat, as it has no intelligence, and simply performs a Google Search.

As I said earlier, it is simply a front-end to a dictation of Google Search.
 
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