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davenet

macrumors member
Oct 6, 2004
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San Luis Obispo, CA
My experience with Parallels has been pretty good so I'm looking to see some major reasons for switching to Fusion before trying it out. I've not installed the latest version of Parallels since I'm not prepared to try beta software for production data but v3 works fine for me at the moment, although there are a few niggles.

At the least I'd like to know what the performance difference is between them on a C2D MacBook Pro.

I've been using Parallels since early June. I find that Fusion uses alot less RAM for my VM configuration. I have a 512MB chunk set aside to run Windows XP. Right now Fusion is using 72MB real memory and about 427MB virtual. Parallels was usually north of 300MB real and 1GB virtual.

David
 

aristotle

macrumors 68000
Mar 13, 2007
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Canada
has there been a general consensus which is better? vmware or parallels?
VMWare is better as it allows you to leverage multiple cores that you might have in your system while parallels does not. I was an early adopter of Parallels but then I tried out the betas of VMWare fusion and I was sold on it.

As others have pointed out, the 1.0 release version belies the code heritage behind the mac product. It is based on their VM Workstation product which is now in version 6.
 

brkirch

macrumors regular
Oct 18, 2001
191
1
VMWare is better as it allows you to leverage multiple cores that you might have in your system while parallels does not. I was an early adopter of Parallels but then I tried out the betas of VMWare fusion and I was sold on it.

From what I understand the future Parallels Desktop 3.5 update (it is going to be a free update to 3.0) is supposed to add 64-bit and multi-processor support.
 

petvas

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Jul 20, 2006
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I own both programs. At first I loved Parallels but when I compared it to VMWare I couldnt help noticing how much better it runs on my Macs. It uses less resources, runs faster, doesnt bother my mac apps and is very stable. I now use VMWare Fusion and only it!
 

Sbrocket

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Jun 3, 2007
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If anyone's using any CAD programs with either of these programs, let me know. I need to run AutoCAD and Rhino, for which I have a Dell box. It'd be nice to do everything on one machine. I know OpenGL is not fully supported with Fusion/Parallels, so I'm curious about the performance.

I've used both NX5 and SolidWorks in VMware Fusion (through a BootCamp/Fusion setup) and while they would of course perform more smoothly in a non-virtual setting, they both work pretty darn well. I haven't noticed anything that simply doesn't work; at worst, you would be dealing with slower-than-normal performance because simply because its a virtual environment and the host machine is running two OSes. I'm an engineering student so I can't speak for how well some industrial applications with very large assemblies consisting of thousands of parts will perform as I haven't had to deal with anything that large yet. Your best bet would be to just download the 30-day trial of Fusion and try it out for yourself to see if it meets your performance needs. I'm working on a the machine in my sig, so if you're working on a more powerful desktop Mac then obviously your experiences are going to vary.
 

brkirch

macrumors regular
Oct 18, 2001
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If anyone's using any CAD programs with either of these programs, let me know. I need to run AutoCAD and Rhino, for which I have a Dell box. It'd be nice to do everything on one machine. I know OpenGL is not fully supported with Fusion/Parallels, so I'm curious about the performance.

AFAIK OpenGL is fully supported in Parallels as of build 4560. I have never used any CAD programs in Parallels though, so you might want to download the trial and try it out.
 

r-sparks

macrumors 6502
Dec 1, 2006
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England
Complain to your Labour MPs about the bloody high taxes then.

i think you misunderstand. It's not the tax we're complaining about. It's the fact that the tax isn't shown until AFTER you've clicked the "Purchase" button... After you've seen the "Total" column showing just the stated price.

The "Confirmation of your order" then screen suddenly shows a higher amount, due to the tax, which hitherto hadn't been mentioned. You can't rescind the order because, hey, it's already been placed when you clicked that "Purchase" button.

I bought the $40 pre-order offer because it's half price of Parallels, which would be my first choice. With the $8 of tax added, you're nudging $50, and that's only $30 less than Parallels.

I assume that if you order right now, you have to pay $80, plus the VAT. That makes it quite a bit more expensive than Parallels for UK users.

As you probably know, if you buy software from an American company as an online download, you normally don't pay tax. I've bought countless shareware apps and never, ever paid a penny of tax, either US or VAT.

Tax is added to Fusion's purchase because VMware has an Irish office which handles the sale. Oh, and that too isn't mentioned until the "Confirmation" screen, so I couldn't even second-guess that tax *might* be added.

It's actually illegal to do this. I complained to invoice@vmware.com around four weeks ago, but have got no reply. This wasn't a good introduction to VMware as a company. A bit sharky, in fact. Somebody ought to call BBC Watchdog :)
 

inkhead

macrumors regular
Mar 3, 2005
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It's simple to choose VMware Fusion.

Fusion is a native Cocoa Application.
Parallels uses QTKit, It's like using java!

Parallels installs nasty kernel extensions to work.
Fusion DOES NOT

Parallels modifies your windows partition boot files, everytime you use it with bootcamp, if it gets stuck in between, it will destroy your entire partition.
Fusion does not.

VMware Fusion has REAL USB 2.0 support, not "fake" support like parallels where they add every single device in. Fusion works with ANY USB 2.0 device because it is a cocoa app, and has access to proper libraries instead of qtapp.
 

Sean Dempsey

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Aug 7, 2006
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just to make this clear, there's no upgrade from the beta, right? you must download the 160meg release and reinstall it?

I had assumed there would be just an "update software" in VMware, but I don't see anything like that, so I'm just downloading the full version again.

Is this what everyone else is doing?
 

LMO

macrumors member
Jun 8, 2007
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Just wondering about VMWare upgrades? I pre-ordered the other day so will download the full release tonight, but does anyone know when 1.1 comes out if you'll be able to upgrade for free or if its a pay again jobby?
There is no additional charge for any 1.x upgrades.
 

brkirch

macrumors regular
Oct 18, 2001
191
1
It's simple to choose VMware Fusion.

Fusion is a native Cocoa Application.
Parallels uses QTKit, It's like using java!

A cross platform library isn't anywhere near as bad as using a programming language that itself needs to run through a virtual machine. And it's QT toolkit, QTKit is a OS X Quicktime framework.

Parallels installs nasty kernel extensions to work.
Fusion DOES NOT

Kernel extensions are meant for this kind of purpose. Fusion uses root daemons which is really no better or worse as it has the same potential to crash your computer.

Parallels modifies your windows partition boot files, everytime you use it with bootcamp, if it gets stuck in between, it will destroy your entire partition.
Fusion does not.

It won't destroy your partition, though a Windows crash could damage your install (of course that could also happen with Fusion, if Windows crashes there is never any guarantee everything will be intact).

VMware Fusion has REAL USB 2.0 support, not "fake" support like parallels where they add every single device in. Fusion works with ANY USB 2.0 device because it is a cocoa app, and has access to proper libraries instead of qtapp.

QT toolkit is not involved in accessing USB devices, there is a kernel extension for that purpose (which is the way OS X programs are supposed to get USB access).
 

NATO

macrumors 68000
Feb 14, 2005
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Northern Ireland
That did irritate me, there was zero indication of it and 17.5% isn't just an extra few pennies.

I checked my invoice, I was charged 21% VAT (The rate of VAT in Ireland, where VMWare is registered in Europe apparently)... an e-mail to VMWare came back saying that VMWare is only required to be registered for Irish VAT at this time, hence 21% is charged to all customers of the EU. Yay :)

I know it's only a difference of about $1.40 between 17.5% and 21% but still... :rolleyes:
 

oxymoron2007

macrumors member
Jun 9, 2007
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Just downloaded the new build of VMware Fusion (Build 51348), and I am VERY HAPPY with whatever changes they made. Unity support for Windows Vista finally works on my computer! Seems more stable (though it has been stable, just a little more now). I

I got in before the pre-order deadline, so I personally think I got a deal. For those of you that didn't, I still suggest buying it w/ the $20 rebate; it's well-worth the software even at full price.

Thanks VMware!
 

aaronw1986

macrumors 68030
Oct 31, 2006
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10
For some reason my wireless card is not being recognized in Vista on my SR MBP. Does anyone have a solution? I am using the release build 1 of vmware.
 

thogs_cave

macrumors regular
Sep 25, 2003
208
0
State of Confusion
I've gotta admit...

I really like Fusion. When it first hit beta, I was not impressed, and thought VMWare had lost the race to Parallels. Then Parallels Desktop 3.0 hit, and I was really disappointed. Creeping features, and a severe downturn in quality. Plus, I still have issues running Solaris on it.

In the mean time, I fell in love with Fusion. It's run every OS I've tossed at it, runs Solaris better than my Sun workstation (well, faster anyway), and just works. Coupled with my beefed-up MacBook (2.16GHz, 3G RAM, 250G HD), I have an SA's dream: One laptop that weighs 5lbs and runs every OS I have to support or deal with. Plus, since the networking is through OS X, I spend much less time fiddle-farting with networking them, and more time solving problems.
 

MikeT

macrumors member
Mar 10, 2005
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Pre-ordered Fusion 1.0 for $39.99 last week (just in the nick of time, apparently).

Saving/restoring the virtual machine state is much faster than in the beta version.

Overall, Fusion works flawlessly with my machine (a MacBook Pro 2.2) and Windows XP.
 

brkirch

macrumors regular
Oct 18, 2001
191
1
I really like Fusion. When it first hit beta, I was not impressed, and thought VMWare had lost the race to Parallels. Then Parallels Desktop 3.0 hit, and I was really disappointed. Creeping features, and a severe downturn in quality. Plus, I still have issues running Solaris on it.

Unfortunately it looks like there is almost no development effort being put into Fusion though. Especially if you consider that Fusion is basically just a highly crippled port of VMWare Workstation. However they knew it wouldn't stand a chance against Parallels Desktop without some special feature, so they just threw together Unity. The stability of Fusion's virtualization is no surprise, but if you want an idea of how stable new features in Fusion will be, just look at Unity. Some programs still don't work with it, the taskbar can only be enabled with a hidden option, overlapping windows don't show up correctly in Exposé, and occasionally the VM locks up until Unity mode is exited. They had two months to resolve these issues but I've seen almost no progress. Don't get me wrong, Fusion is a decent product (I preordered it), but I'm not sure that it has a very good future.
 

caveman_uk

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Feb 17, 2003
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Hitchin, Herts, UK
I bought Parallels a while back but when 3.0 came out I switched to WMWare. It worked better for me, was less buggy and I wasn't going to be treated like a second class customer just because I'd bought a UK boxed version of Parallels (non-US customers have to wait for special localized versions to come out....so no betas for us).

That VAT thing was a bit naughty though....
 

brkirch

macrumors regular
Oct 18, 2001
191
1
I bought Parallels a while back but when 3.0 came out I switched to WMWare. It worked better for me, was less buggy and I wasn't going to be treated like a second class customer just because I'd bought a UK boxed version of Parallels (non-US customers have to wait for special localized versions to come out....so no betas for us).

That is no longer the case.
 

Wolfpup

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Sep 7, 2006
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Has anyone dealt with the activation issue when using the same Windows install in both Boot Camp AND Fusion?

Like Windows will think that it's on a different system when you boot between Boot Camp and Fusion mode, and SHOULD trigger an activation (which will of course quickly use up it's activations). Does anyone know if Fusion somehow gets around this?

And does that Virtual Box also have to install kernel extensions or whatever? I suppose it would if both of the commercial products need lower level system access.

That's vaguely disturbing just since it means uninstalling the program might not actually get rid of everything.
 

sm0

macrumors regular
Jun 5, 2007
171
0
Wellington, NZ
i was a little weary of the amount of support and positive feedback about VMware and initially wrote the users off as parallels defectors etc

BUt have tried it and love it. Quieter, Faster, Smoother.

Anyway was wondering - has anyone got vmware to play nicely with virtuedesktops yet?

when switching desktop from vmware (fullscreen mode), the vmware screens goes to window mode and moves with me to the new desktop i have switched to. strange and kinda defeats the purpose of using virtues.

also is it possible to show the windows taskbar in mac under unity (like you could in coherence in parallels?)

Thanks in advance
:)
 
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