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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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I can see it now, the Cupertino coroner and a reporter walking into the morgue and the reporter says "My God, it's all true, there was a mass killing!" "No" says the coroner, "It wasn't any kind of killing, these are all the Mac Pro users that were waiting for Apple to upgrade the computer."
(opens the thread door)
Anything new happening?
(Walks out the room)
Anything new happening?
(Walks out the room)
Have you ever thought that you might be "expecting" that Mac Pro will be discontinued, and that basically forms your opinion about the sutuation of Mac Pro?When you can't discuss facts, history, story sources backing up your opinion. Post a meme of platitudes.
Have you ever thought, what if Apple will actually update it?
I have never disagreed with you about MP, and its 3 year state of idleness, I disagreed about possibility of using situation of Thunderbolt Display as the same with Mac Pro.
Thats why I also used the Meme. Opinions. Opinions Everywhere. Because thats what basically is in this situation.
This is wrong. They wont necessarily announce a discontinuation.
They never announced the discontinuation of the cube.
And I am using recent events and trends that Apple has been apart of to from an informed opinion backed up with more than idle banter. Apple is no longer the Apple of years past, the professional and prosumer market are noticing. If we don't take cues from Apple who has been described as the most secretive company in recent memory where do we get our information? Prior to the October 28 event, the "insiders" and rumor sites were all pointing towards an eGPU offering at 4K and 5k resolutions. Then Phil said they were out of the display business, soon after the event. Essentially putting anyone's hopes for an Apple eGPU display to rest. If this isn't outside of the realm of possibility of the fate of the Mac Pro then where is the line?
There has been tremendous insights from many member of this forum from supply and component watchers, technical engineers, marketing savvy, and the professionals/prosumers looking to make educated purchasing decisions-which is really what brings us all here. We all recognize there are different departments and teams at Apple that work independently and cohesively to deliver the experience we all enjoy in the Apple ecosystem. We would be ignorant to not see the foibles that have come of late; I would consider the demise of the Thunderbolt Display without a clear replacement as well as the news that the AirPods are only now being produced (ramping up production a month or more after they were targeted for public release) are we not seeing a trend? Can we not make informed opinions with this evidence?
I bare you no I'll will, I've liked many of your comments and I really hope there isn't a demise of the Mac Pro, I like many here are greatly concerned and would like a glimmer of hope, a breadcrumb of a grainy elevator picture, but sadly the reality is pointing to the other outcome. Apple's own marketing is shunning the mini and the Pro. Promoting that the new FCPX workstation dream station is a laptop hooked to third party displays or running off an iMac. Those are today's flagships.
You responded with your opinion to my opinion. Great.
And everything would be so much easier if people would put into their tiny minds a little breath of openness to other eventualities, than they think are the only realities...
Well Everyone see that Apple is no longer the same Apple as before. Has anyone ever tried to see where Apple is going with professional market and for what Audience they design their hardware computers? All I see is empty rumbling all over again how Apple is rubbish for professionals because they do not offer the solutions the true professionals need, and how where Apple goes is not pro at all.
Design choices, removing Nvidia out of the ecosystem - that infuriated all of the Professionals.
People who actually cared about technology asked themselves: "why Apple is doing what they are doing"? And started looking for clues.
Metal - simple, easy to use API that can be used both by games and compute, professional applications to get the best possible use of the hardware. For professionals it is no go, because their software is locked to CUDA ecosystem. Do you have any option for CUDA hardware on Mac? Which API there will be in use in this ecosystem, if there is no hardware that can use CUDA?
Hardware. Mac Pro in current form is way too outdated. Nobody is questioning that. What I am questioning are the reasons behind this. Apple dropping the Mac Pro? There is not enough imbecils right now to waste their money on 3 year old hardware. So its Apple that is in need to provide a new solution for highest price, and highest margin computer they offer, to people who require this kind of performance, and are ready to pay for it. Final Cut Pro X, Logic Pro users.
Photos. Apple looks like decided to go with Photoshop route, as their solution for software on Mac. After quite some time the situation with Aperture appears to be quite similar to Thunderbolt Display. Turning to external solutions as editing option on Mac. In the end, Apple may have not be able to offer better experience than Photoshop as for photo editing tool.
There are other factors that Apple will not kill the Mac Pro. And the biggest one: if they would want to kill it - they would already do it. They have right now enough reasons to do so. But much more reasons to not kill it. And the biggest one still is the money, and potential that lies in Metal Software ecosystem.
Like I have memed about: Opinions. Opinions everywhere.
Koyoot. You are absolutely correct about spending 3k on 3 year old tech being foolish and idiotic. If Apple were to drop the price on those machines I would take it as Apple having an interest in the future of the Pro, seeing that they haven't I tend to think it will follow along the same route as the Thunderbolt Display-drying up remaking volume.
There are ways to indicate the Mac Pro isn't already in the coffin awaiting the funeral;
1. Price drop (not just on memory/storage bto options)
2. Updated ports (USB-c/Thunderbolt 3)
3. Minor spec bumps in modern GPU and CPU offerings. (I know many are waiting for the latest and greatest, but seriously there has to be something to make it more competitive than the 3 year old tec).
Anyway just my thought.
There are ways to indicate the Mac Pro isn't already in the coffin awaiting the funeral;
1. Price drop (not just on memory/storage bto options)
2. Updated ports (USB-c/Thunderbolt 3)
3. Minor spec bumps in modern GPU and CPU offerings. (I know many are waiting for the latest and greatest, but seriously there has to be something to make it more competitive than the 3 year old tec).
Anyway just my thought.
Here we were, some months ago, and we had posts one after the other about the Apple displays that would certainly coming soon with a GPU, or without a GPU, in 4k or in 5k, with TB2/TB3, USB-C or whatever imagination... and suddenly... back to reality, TBD discontinuation (after 5 years of presence please and as always with the same price till the end).
So they 'll do (Apple) whatever they want. We hope (?) for an update, are they willing to provide it?
Why is this case different? The same boss rules the things around MP, why shouldn't they do the exact same thing? Who is going to tell them what to do?
Or at least where are the proofs about a new MP, in whatever form or shape?
So, even if we see a similar situation around the MP, we insist, without any serious proof, that the update is coming ?!!!
See the facts... unfortunately both cases are very similar,and both options are possible (to update or not), so think twice and wait, as time passes there will be an answer for sure...
So they 'll do (Apple) whatever they want. We hope (?) for an update, are they willing to provide it?
Why is this case different? The same boss rules the things around MP, why shouldn't they do the exact same thing? Who is going to tell them what to do?
Or at least where are the proofs about a new MP, in whatever form or shape?
So, even if we see a similar situation around the MP, we insist, without any serious proof, that the update is coming ?!!!
See the facts... unfortunately both cases are very similar,and both options are possible (to update or not), so think twice and wait, as time passes there will be an answer for sure...
By discontinue I had meant to say exiting the display segment. Poor choice of the word, I admit. Anyway ... Before formally announcing they are exiting the display market, Apple offered a " collaborative " replacement to users who may want to use external displays.
So I still say, Apple won't announce the death of the Mac Pro line ( assuming it is on the chopping block ) until they have an iMac "pro" or whatever they choose to call the updated iMac , shoving the pro moniker down our throats.
Again it isn't outside the realms of possibility for Apple to point towards some HP/Dell system and certifying it to install MacOS, there by taking care of the users who want a proper desktop system and still keeping them in the Apple eco system. Making hackintosh official,maybe ?
Regardless, Apple won't make any official statement until they offer an alternative.
I am still hoping for a proper Mac Pro but let's see.
Here's something I still don't understand... why offer boot camp to run windows on Apple hardware ?
They never formally announced they were exiting the display market. It was second hand into at best. There was no statement.
Intel seems to be really lost with their roadmaps:
http://wccftech.com/intel-cannonlake-cpu-300-motherboards-2017/
http://wccftech.com/intel-cannonlake-cpu-300-motherboards-2017/
You lost me when I saw WCCFTECH in the URL. No thank you.
Back to the old pic I see...
Not just there, google it if you will.
If you ignore the copy and paste issue, they are more or less up to date.
Not just there, google it if you will.
If you ignore the copy and paste issue, they are more or less up to date.
Apple is a hardware company and they love the control of the user experience. I would see them losing (throwing away) the Pro market altogether, rather than go a licensed macOS route.
There are a number of great third-party options out there.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.macr...tinues-thunderbolt-display/amp/?client=safari
There was no refuting the second hand comment from the hands on area after the October 2016 event either.
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/10/28/apples-officially-out-of-standalone-display-business/
Maybe that is actually what Apple is waiting for with updating the Mac Pro?
They would get this way "highway" for HSA 2.0...
http://www.bitsandchips.it/english/52-english-news/7478-apu-zen-in-macbook-pro-between-2017-and-2018
Take this as a possibility...
Looking at the trend, I think this is where Apple might be going. If it happens..great...but if not..oh well.
The Apple trend is to discontinue "pro" hardware and software (but put the name "pro" on stuff that doesn't deserve the name).
Zen, if it actually ships, is a solution to a problem that Apple doesn't care about.
IMO, highly unlikely that there will be an nnMP, and almost no chance that it will be Zen based.
And, the rumours that Ellison will buy AMD put Zen in Limbo-land.