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And don't forget the elegant, timeless design of this monitor and its matching Smurf Hotel.


Wow, this does really bring me back to the good old days when Apple products were a discovery. Simple, yet had the ability to be upgraded, expanded. They were one of the first to the market with decent LCD displays, and it was truly 'magical'.

Not like that 'thin at all costs' crap we get today.

The melocholy comes in when I realize the mac pro itself (even the current one) is a walk down memory lane. In 2013, when Phil Schiller announed the new mac pro, it wasn't exactly the setup many of us had in mind, but we all felt like we KNEW that was just the beginning of a rennaisance of this wonderful, productive line.

Instead, now looking back, it increasingly looks like the last piece of wonder Apple threw over it's shoulder at us as it walked away from desktops, and pro users completely.
 
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If I remember correctly, you've said you are a graphic designer, right? If so, how do you plan to handle any font conflicts between old mac files and new Windows files?
Not him, and I can't speak for every designer, but I think most modern workflow nowadays would use OpenType for best possible cross-platform compatibility, if not just for the sake of ease of output for the next guy who handles my artwork down the stream. I myself haven't touched a platform-specific font since forever, unless I absolutely need something from an old project, or I am receiving a goofy piece of work from some 18 year old undergrad freelancer.

Adobe CC, which has cross-platform usage in mind, has been quite consistent in making sure fonts are handled the same way in open-data files whichever system you run it on. InDesign and Illustrator also has so extensive OpenType support. They have gone a long way really.
 
Brand new Mac Pro on 2017? With brand new Apple Thunderbolt Display? All with Thunderbolt 3?

Apple said at the MacBook Pro event that they're out of the display business... so... don't count on seeing any more Apple displays :(
 
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Apple said at the MacBook Pro event that they're out of the display business... so... don't count on seeing any more Apple displays :(
Add another sad face here too.

I actually picked up a 27" LED display off eBay just to have a dual setup (paired with my Thunderbolt Display). Figured it would be at the end of the chain so was looking for best used cosmetic quality and walked away well under the going rate.

I'm generally never editing anything above HD quality and really liked the dual displays, just haven't had a matching set since the acrylic cinema displays. And will mostly be using it for CAD, image editing and publishing, good enough for my workflow at the moment.

When it comes to displays I'm holding hope that there will be some real alternatives in the coming years that aren't quite so "generic" and plastic looking. I know there are a lot of people who argue it's just a tool it gets the job done, and while I agree, there is also the selling point of presentation value when showing off some of your work to others-almost like how you would want your studio/conference rooms to be well designed and presentable why wouldn't you want your workspace to also carry a stream modern look. Anyway purely my opinion on the matter.

Plus if the Mac Pro isn't updated I'll try to pick up a 5,1 or make the jump. I'm not quite beyond what I can do with what I have at the moment, but definatley looking at all my options. As far as ecosystems go, I'll still keep my idevices and appletv's but as far as actual computers I'll be looking towards HP unless Apple steps it up.
 
I'd still be proud to have that base unit on my desk, with modern innards. Think it was a great design.

I had one of these - you have to remember the context of the marketplace it was launched into. Fields of beige everywhere. This was a statement case of it's time. Okay, not timeless in the sense of Dieter Rams stuff but a breath of fresh air on the desk. I'd be happy to have one of these with upto date internals...but then again, I still think the metal box cMP hasn't been bettered yet (and the way things are going it probably won't be anytime soon - cMP, the Concorde of computer cases :))
 
I had one of these - you have to remember the context of the marketplace it was launched into. Fields of beige everywhere. This was a statement case of it's time. Okay, not timeless in the sense of Dieter Rams stuff but a breath of fresh air on the desk. I'd be happy to have one of these with upto date internals...but then again, I still think the metal box cMP hasn't been bettered yet (and the way things are going it probably won't be anytime soon - cMP, the Concorde of computer cases :))

I agree with all of that.

Regarding the 'cheese grater' enclosure.. I think it spoke volumes that the G5 PowerMac enclosure basically just became the Mac Pro enclosure with just a few tweaks. It looks expensive, the build quality and materials were exceptional (I'd still argue nothing really comes close), it looked imposing, it was spacious inside, had excellent airflow..
 
Not him, and I can't speak for every designer, but I think most modern workflow nowadays would use OpenType for best possible cross-platform compatibility, if not just for the sake of ease of output for the next guy who handles my artwork down the stream. I myself haven't touched a platform-specific font since forever, unless I absolutely need something from an old project, or I am receiving a goofy piece of work from some 18 year old undergrad freelancer.

Adobe CC, which has cross-platform usage in mind, has been quite consistent in making sure fonts are handled the same way in open-data files whichever system you run it on. InDesign and Illustrator also has so extensive OpenType support. They have gone a long way really.

Thanks, Chancha. I've got an extensive font collection going back a couple decades. I don't always call on my old Postscript fonts, but every so often they come in handy. One of the things I've thought I might need to do were I to switch to Windows, would be to convert many of those old Postscript fonts to OpenType format.

That would be a pain in the butt, and I'd probably just have to say goodbye to most of them. It's the Font Hoarder's Dilemma: "But I might want them some day!"
 
I think I may end up doing the same.

But I'm going to wait for the Kaby Lake Xeons to come out first....

Xeon E3 1600 v6 series? Why? Apple is unlikely to use an Xeon E3 in a Mac Pro.

If talking about the series that Apple does use in the Mac Pro , E5 1600 class, it hasn't even reached v5 yet ( Skylake-W), let alone v6. Pretty good chance there will never be a "Kaby Lake" version of E5 1600. E5 v5 already has the 14nm+ optimization in process. Either Intel will skip to CoffeeLake bumps/updates or jump to CanonLake for v7 (depending of they intend to skip the 10nm process of Cannonlake or not). Specifically waiting for "kaby lake" of that means possibly waiting forever.

The much larger dies ( > 6-20+ ) cores Xeon models were not on the yearly Tick (Process) /Tock (Architecture) schedule anyway for the last 6+ years. So the 'new' Process/Architecture/Optimization schedule the mainstream CPU-GPU packages are on may not apply to the lager die product line. It still could be on Process/Architecture with each on 18+ month cycles; 18+18 = 36 months .... 3 years.
 

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Videocardz also have written Article based on this. It is funny that first, someone on Anandtech Forum has made WHOLE thread about it, and later sites have copied it.
 
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since those drivers are in the next macOS sierra update...that not mean that we will see new gpu? new gpu mean new macs right?since no mac is not gpu upgradable
 
Maybe. The question is: would Tim want to invest in desktop computers again for 5k for base model?
After looking at threads about MBP and other things, I can tell you immediately that no matter with what Apple will come up for their desktop computer lineup it will be not enough Pro for majority of users on this forum.

Others, who will actually buy the hardware and use it, will be surprised with how powerful it is, despite the words naysayers will always come up with.
 
After looking at threads about MBP and other things, I can tell you immediately that no matter with what Apple will come up for their desktop computer lineup it will be not enough Pro for majority of users on this forum.

Others, who will actually buy the hardware and use it, will be surprised with how powerful it is, despite the words naysayers will always come up with.
Pretty much. If this was wrestling federation event, Apple would be the champion in light weight handicapped division.

For mbp with high base model price, its distasteful of Apple.
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since those drivers are in the next macOS sierra update...that not mean that we will see new gpu? new gpu mean new macs right?since no mac is not gpu upgradable
Not necessarily. I'm not sure if you remembered what happened to Mac OS X capitan with Mac Pro code. Nothing.
 
Pretty much. If this was wrestling federation event, Apple would be the champion in light weight handicapped division.

For mbp with high base model price, its distasteful of Apple.
Not necessarily. I'm not sure if you remembered what happened to Mac OS X capitan with Mac Pro code. Nothing.
Its not exactly what I meant, however you have pointed out the only drawback of the new MBP - its pricing. Other than that the computer is perfectly Professional grade machine. But people will not see this, or will want something more than that.
 
After looking at threads about MBP and other things, I can tell you immediately that no matter with what Apple will come up for their desktop computer lineup it will be not enough Pro for majority of users on this forum.

Others, who will actually buy the hardware and use it, will be surprised with how powerful it is, despite the words naysayers will always come up with.
Hopefully it comes...if not, it's Apple's loss.
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Its not exactly what I meant, however you have pointed out the only drawback of the new MBP - its pricing. Other than that the computer is perfectly Professional grade machine. But people will not see this, or will want something more than that.
Hopefully; however, after seeing mbp gpu being crazy....I dunno. This shouldn't be an issue in the first place. The question is: is it even coming out? the gpu vega 10 and Polaris 12 would be nice...but is it coming out for Mac Pro. I'm basing this on buyer's guide days, gpu rumors, and quality of other Mac line ups.
 
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Xeon E3 1600 v6 series? Why? Apple is unlikely to use an Xeon E3 in a Mac Pro.

Because it has a good performance to watt ratio. It would be easy to cool (74W TDP). Plus I also don't need more than 4 cores, or more threading. (It would be nice to have a larger L3 cache though).
 
Because it has a good performance to watt ratio. It would be easy to cool (74W TDP). Plus I also don't need more than 4 cores, or more threading. (It would be nice to have a larger L3 cache though).
The E3 line usually is tragically limited in the amount of RAM that it can address.

E3 for entry would be OK, with E5-16xx and E5-26xx for the higher RAM and core counts.

Forget i5/i7 though - I don't buy workstations without ECC RAM. No ECC is a deal-breaker.
 
IMHO seeing KEXT with mentions to POLARIS XT2 and VEGA10 only means a New Mac Pro is coming, it isn' for eGPU cages neither for iMacs or cMP 5,1.

that Polaris 12 should be for the next iMacs, and Polaris XT2 and Vega 10 pr the nnMP.
 
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