Throttled chips to work safely within the thin and anorexic chassis? That's not castrated? 2/3 of the desktop offerings haven't received any upgrade/update for years (iMac 498 days, Mac mini 860, and Mac Pro 1161... it may be easier to start measuring in years, 1.4, 2.4, and 3.2 years respectively). Forgive me for observing that the Mac is not even a secondary focus for Apple at the moment. Seeing how this is a Mac Pro thread, many of us are in need of horsepower that an iMac and notebook (even with a magic touch sensitive display strip) won't satisfy, leading many of us to look at various exit strategies-some have left (mostly to HPZ, and hackintosh), some are waiting for WWDC, look through the thread all 157 pages worth for the reasoning and logic that has lead to these conclusions before you spout off that there is a future in Macs... APFS is also used in iOS you can't conclude that there is a definitive future just because Cupertino threw resources to work on one file system for their products.
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Throttled chips to work safely within the thin and anorexic chassis? That's not castrated? 2/3 of the desktop offerings haven't received any upgrade/update for years (iMac 498 days, Mac mini 860, and Mac Pro 1161... it may be easier to start measuring in years, 1.4, 2.4, and 3.2 years respectively). Forgive me for observing that the Mac is not even a secondary focus for Apple at the moment. Seeing how this is a Mac Pro thread, many of us are in need of horsepower that an iMac and notebook (even with a magic touch sensitive display strip) won't satisfy, leading many of us to look at various exit strategies-some have left (mostly to HPZ, and hackintosh), some are waiting for WWDC, look through the thread all 157 pages worth for the reasoning and logic that has lead to these conclusions before you spout off that there is a future in Macs... APFS is also used in iOS you can't conclude that there is a definitive future just because Cupertino threw resources to work on one file system for their products.
The real "problem" at Apple is not Tim Cook - it is that there is nobody in their management team that can fill the role Steve Jobs did. Job's gift was not design - it was iteration of a design. Others at Apple came up with the "device people didn't know they needed". Jobs just forced them to iterate and iterate it, polishing it until it was as good as it could be before it was released.
Tim Cook is not a "marketing guy" - he is an operational guy. He's the one who took all those things that people didn't know they needed and made them something tangible they could acquire.
And this is why Steve Jobs chose him to run the company after he was gone. If Steve Jobs had chosen Eddy Cue or Craig Federighi instead of Tim Cook, things would not be any better on the product side. But they'd probably be a lot worse on the financial side.
The worrisome issue for many of us comes with experience... The iPhone bubble will pop, look at Nokia who at one time was the king of cell phones, maybe blackberry or even take Steve Jobs own opinions on on why xerox failed (
Tell me again how Apple is not successful under Cook?
[doublepost=1487783125][/doublepost]It's scary how looking at the way the 2016 MacBook Pro came to be, with the leaked reports from marketing and hardware infighting.
Ryzen is out. In the next three-four months we should see the appearance of Vega and Naples.
Any meaningful counter points? Or just juvenile trumpesque banter because you have nothing else to add to support your position?
I would argue it has popped, most in the general population use email, browsing for information, entertainment, and social media and consuming media/streaming, which an update would more than satisfy. I would also argue Apple never had it as a victory in that space either (desktop/laptop).
Apple never had a monopoly on either desktops or laptops, and were able to actively compete (against IBM, Microsoft, gateway, compaq, dell, HP, and a slew of others) leveraging their user experience pairing hardware and software, which is really what set them apart. The future will be towards tablets, for much of the consumer populous. However those who produce are still heavily reliant on these systems (desktop and laptop-workstation classes) and will be for some time. If traditional desktop and laptop systems were gone today there would be a void that tablets couldn't fill. Are we headed in that direction (the entire tech industry and not just Apple)? I would say we are, but those who produce, code, design, and much more couldn't do what they do now as effectively or efficiently on a tablet as they do on a traditional setup. Tablet/mobile computing isn't there yet, even something as fully featured as a Surface Pro still wouldn't suffice,even with a traditional OS 'desktop' experience.
My point is Apple putting all their eggs in iOS is a horrible idea, which didn't work well for a few companies that are long since their prime. They really would be better off to maintain a full competitive product line. As has been pointed out all the desktop machines have had suitable processor and graphics chips available for upgrades/updates.
He's a marketing guy who is earning money on momentum but that doesn't necessarily equate to the functional innovation that Jobs brought to the table. What is Cook's biggest innovation, a watch? Look at the functional innovation Jobs did: Mac, Mac Pro, iMac, MacBook, MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPad, iPod.
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I can point to a lot of companies that were running sky-high before they collapsed.
I can point to a lot of companies that were running sky-high before they collapsed.
Cook was the COO prior to becoming the CEO. He is not a marketing guy, but a supply chain guy. Here's a quote from that article earlier:
Cook knows a little something about "modern manufacturing processes" because he was there at its invention. Cook joined Apple in 1998 with a mandate to clean up Apple's woeful manufacturing apparatus around the world. He's the guy who closed Apple's factories and warehouses in earnest and outsourced the work to more efficient and flexible contract manufacturers that could scale a skilled workforce quickly and still do the work more cheaply. It was a move that paid off when the world demanded hundreds of millions of iPods after the product’s 2001 debut, and established a highly visible precedent for the rest of the consumer electronics industry to follow. The corresponding supply chain is firmly entrenched in China as a result.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/21/14037030/apple-made-in-america-failure
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I don't presume to speak for Jim Goshorn, but I would suspect he knows Cook's background, which at this point seems irrelevant. The fact is that Cook's primary job right now is marketing, as in keeping the money coming in by, to paraphrase Steve Jobs, offering "different-shaped soda bottles". He's not a technological innovator. He's not a "thinking outside the box" guy. He's just keeping the trains running on time and pushing the remains of the Jobs Legacy. And that's all about marketing.
And the Iphone launch showed that even after all the iterations - they'd missed something critical.
And they had the honor and humility to fix it - hence the SDK and the AppStore.
Thank you for translating what I was inefficiently trying to say. Cook is the guy who comes out with each announcement saying that whatever they are announcing is the best whatever that they have ever made. That's marketing for all intents and purposes, regardless of what his official title is in the company. Far as I'm concerned, Jobs was also better when he did his often anticipated one more thing as well.
Thanks for clarifying the point. The point I was trying to make is Cook is not your typical marketing person who has, or at least tries to convey, an emotional connection to the product or service they're selling. Cook is objective, numbers only. If Cook is convinced that the post-PC era has arrived and iOS is the future, he will pursue that without an emotional connection to the Mac or any userbase that may have been important in the past.
As much as I understand secrecy and the wow factor, it is embarrassing (and it always was) that there's no roadmap for Pro products....
I mean Pro user need to plan ahead, they don't buy stuff like consumer do, it is silly to develop a model and then leave it there for more than 1000 days without at least telling if a new model will come, I understand that they cannot disclose full specs as they might vary, but at least be more open to approximately when they will update, or if they will update it at all.
I mean Pro user need to plan ahead, they don't buy stuff like consumer do, it is silly to develop a model and then leave it there for more than 1000 days without at least telling if a new model will come, I understand that they cannot disclose full specs as they might vary, but at least be more open to approximately when they will update, or if they will update it at all.
A few of you have alluded to a future of cloud-only computing, and a planned dumbing-down of the indie-creative workstation. "What is an iPad Pro?" ...
Read these articles and the next couple of product cycles won't be so shocking.
https://techcrunch.com/2015/04/18/on-the-war-on-general-purpose-computing/
http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html
http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html
http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html
Read these articles and the next couple of product cycles won't be so shocking.
https://techcrunch.com/2015/04/18/on-the-war-on-general-purpose-computing/
http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html
http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html
http://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html
Maybe Apple may give us hints about the future of the Mac Pro at NAB in April. Previously, they announced updates to FCP at NAB
http://www.nabshow.com/
http://www.nabshow.com/
Tim is so convinced we are in the post PC era that he's willing to kill the most loyal user base Apple has to get there quicker. Tim wants everyone to use an iPad.
Well, for me the wait for "pro computer" is over - after extremely overpriced GPU replacement sold my nMP at exactly half its current store price, money was more than enough to build myself a kickass PC.
i7 7700K, 32 GB DDR4, MSI 270X titanium mobo, 1 TB NVME SSD (2 GB/s sequential read, whaaa?), GTX 1080, 802.11ac, silenced NZXT H440 case, Noctua industrial fans everywhere, etc. etc. Overclocked CPU a bit to 4.6 GHz, still enough cooling on idle (300 RPMish) fan speeds. Took about a day to assemble and set up.
In noise level it is comparable to nMP (silent at idle, you can hear airflow when under load). Runs circles around nMP, everything is so-o-o snappy.
Windows 10 is not that bad, actually.And Apple has lost a customer. It was good while it lasted.
P.S. And I can play games again, huzzah! D700s did not really cut it anymore, they're too old.
P.P.S. Even if I've decided to go x99 route (Xeon/ECC memory etc.) - that would still be like 2/3 of nMPs price and still have better warranty out of the box.
P.P.P.S. Guess the only way Apple could get folks like me back would be to release a proper midtower workstation with proper PC compatibility. So probably never. No much use for overpriced laptops inside a laptop and overpriced laptops inside a monitor.
Nice m8! I went for a 6800K 6 core (can clock this cpu to 4ghz), 32gb DDR4, 512Gb 950 pro m2 (2500mb read / 1500 write) extra set of SSD drives 850 evo's, and a 1070GTX for some raw gpu power in the box. Its blazing fast and like you said, Windows 10 is not bad at all. All i installed is greenscreen for a better screen capture. And i bought Bitdefender. I have installed this on my new PC, iMac, Macbook Pro and on my samsung S6. I dropped my iPhone last year.
My iPad 3 is almost on his end. I am not convinced why I should go for a iPad again. Apple has lost me i think.
Point taken. Don't you think that Jobs' passion was a big part of his making Apple a success? Yes, in making any type of investment, you need to be non-emotional enough so you can pull the plug on a bad decision but in the process of creation, there has to be passion as a driving force.
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Same for me. I know the iPad 3 is nearing an end and now I am faced with the research for it's inevitable replacement. At this point, I am thinking that when the time comes, I may get a Surface Pro.
A hint would be nice, but with Vega still slipping seems like WWDC would be the next big chance.
If Vega arrives and they don't release with it for whatever reason, I hope they just kill the Mac Pro quick so everyone can move on with their lives.