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Thanks, hadn't looked in a while - they must have added it since or I just couldn't find it.
Founders edition is half PR stunt towards customers, half towards stockholders.
In Computer components industry products get old in one year. Limiting offerings in purpose is a bad business. We cannot compare IT to the car industry. Nvidia wants to sell as many GTX 1080 they can before the rise of Vega.
Nvidia didn't want to do a paper launch (to please customers), but still wanted to come out first (to please stockholders and PR dept and to hit AMD as much as they can). Founders edition is nothing but a PR stunt towards all of these. "Here it is, today." where in fact, just handful of customers actually has received their cards, and even the press, just few big ones got their cards on time. And I mean few days before NDA. The rest have received their test cards few weeks later.
If AMD is suffering from low yields as well and cannot wait any longer (for those same reasons) why not sell the first wave to their biggest customer. As Koyoot just mentioned, current Firepros' are just PR -Firepros. Apple would be very happy to give MPs all the attention it can get. Press wants to know what is Polaris. But you need to have a Mac Pro (MBP) to test it. So, these web sites will do Mac Pro review same time. Both teams win.
(And what I meant by Mac Pro being unique, try to put those nMPs' GFX cards to any other PC... THIS is what I meant. No other way to do the testing but with Apples HW.)
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That Asian lady would be Dr. Su if I recall and she's the CEO not the Asian lady
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FireStrike Ultra for 67DF:C7 4 GB version with... 1080 MHz core clock. 3268.
Fury Nano score: 3398.
R9 390X: 3098.
So it is precisely between GPUs. Core clock for 8 GB model is 1266 MHz.
That validates a bit the leaks already discussed before.
FireStrike Ultra for 67DF:C7 4 GB version with... 1080 MHz core clock. 3268.
Fury Nano score: 3398.
R9 390X: 3098.
So it is precisely between GPUs. Core clock for 8 GB model is 1266 MHz.
That validates a bit the leaks already discussed before.
Pretty good results, better than in 3DMark 11. Here Oculus Rift minimum specs are exceeded by 25% margin.
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Ok, my last minute leaks aware WWDC Annoucements should be the following:
Later This Year Apple should introduce Updated iMac maybe based on AMD Zen APU, same should introduce a Mac Nano, Quad Core no integrated PSU (powered by USB-C Display or Brick) 4 USB-C Dp1.2, 2 TB3, 1 Hdmi 1 Ethernet, similar design as current mini on half volume.
- New MacBook Pro 14"/16" Introduction, Available Q3 with MacOS, 2TB3 + 2 USB-C, 16" models with dGPU (AMD Polaris) also dp1.3 capable on USB-C ports.
- New MacPro introduction maybe Available Next Month, Xeon E5v4 upto 145W TDP, AMD Polaris for D300/D500 Replacement and Fury Nano or W81000 nonECC for D700, 4 TB3 ports 6 USB-C Usb-C ports DP1.3 Capables, Dual PCIE2 based NVMe SSD upto 2TB, Upto 128GB ECC Ram, Ehternet Ports Either Single or Dual at 1Gbps, no 10GbT yet, 550W new PSU.
- Thunderbolt 3 or Usb-C (dp1.3) 5K Retina Cinema Display, no way integrated GPU, not yet not never.
- New Airport Extremme Timecapsule, maybe loaded with full headless MacOS Server / ARM A9 Cpu, upto Dual HDD models, and Siri on Command.
Later This Year Apple should introduce Updated iMac maybe based on AMD Zen APU, same should introduce a Mac Nano, Quad Core no integrated PSU (powered by USB-C Display or Brick) 4 USB-C Dp1.2, 2 TB3, 1 Hdmi 1 Ethernet, similar design as current mini on half volume.
Fury Nano is the most difficult part to take seriously. It's DP 1.2 only, 4GB only, quite hot for nMP and not much, if any, faster that the best Polaris 10 w GDDR5/X.
Only if there's going to be Mac Pro SE with one GPU, maybe then.
Only if there's going to be Mac Pro SE with one GPU, maybe then.
each fury nano is near 8TFlop capable, and its TDP its similar to W9000 which was based the D700, also I think the DP 1.2 thing maybe updated with minimal hw changes.
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I Know, so I consider a more logical option the W8100 but Leakers insist on Fury Nano, no problem with TDP since the MP will be uprated fom 400 to 450 W, near 75W extra for each GPU, further with dynamic Throttling the Mac Pro could handle this TDP on long runs.
P.D. W8100 is 220W Nominal, but actual typical loads keeps its TDP is below 180W.
2 TFLOPS DP.
Ideal should see a Vega 10, but it would delay the nMP or G700 option until November.
Few leaks also point to a Third Polaris Based GPU, while its hard to buy the Fury Nano still the most named by leakers, at least it shouldn't be a complicated mod since 8GB is supported by Fury X.
Fury Nano is never hitting theoretical peak FLOPs of compute power due to power gating. In gaming scenarios the core clock is around 850 MHz giving 7 TFLOPs of compute power, however, in compute loads the clock is around 700 MHz, which is much, much less.
S9300X2 has 300W TDP for whole GPU so that gives around 150W for each GPU, and the core is locked to 850 MHz. The same thing we see with Fury Pro Duo.
If you would ask me, I would exclude any GPU that is not using DP1.3. Only Polaris GPUs, and potentially Vega.
S9300X2 has 300W TDP for whole GPU so that gives around 150W for each GPU, and the core is locked to 850 MHz. The same thing we see with Fury Pro Duo.
If you would ask me, I would exclude any GPU that is not using DP1.3. Only Polaris GPUs, and potentially Vega.
Personally I'll preffer a 2x8GB G500 polaris Mac Pro with Highest CPU option than a dual G700 on Fury Nano, despite near double TFlops it's TDP should Throttle it very Often,
I think a Fury Pro Duo itś the same as having Two Fury Nano on same PCI Slot, divide it on Two PCI, add a Xeon WS Motherboard and woala you have the Mac Pro L2016.
Because it is a mid range card aimed at people with lower price flexibility ( elasticity). The primary market advantage these new cards have is a better Performance/price ratio in this price range. If you raise the price, then you throw that ratio under bus. Or worse, move the card into another price category. Why throw your primary market advantage under the bus ? AMD has done bonehead moves before .... but this would be new low.
Low yields? Drop the lower-midrange product first.
FirePro is not purely PR. There is a shared hardware base between FirePro but that is like saying the Core i7 6800K and E5 Xeon 1620 v2 are PR of the other. There is some hardware and some software ( GPU driver stack) differences. Whether folks put value on the differences is debatable, but that is just purely sales pitch differences isn't.
If Apple needs an AMD product launch to get attention they Apple has serious problems. Seriously. If Mac Pro sales were up (or down 10-20%) it would not change Apple's overall not one significant amount. Stagnant iPad sales, almost stagant iPhone sales , waning watchOS developer interest , etc. etc. are substantially more pressing issues. Mac Pro sales can't even move Mac production unit numbers very much ( since probably talking in the sub 100K range for a year and sub 20-30K range for a quarter. )
ROTFLMAO . Most of the tech porn press would rip AMD an new orifice if forced to buy a Mac to do a GPU eval. Most of the tech porn sites are about "boxes with slots". Did they have to buy a whole system to do a 1070/1080 review? Nope.
Throw on top that Polaris in a Mac Pro is likely clock limited and pretty much guarantee going to get clowned by the "over clocking is great" crowd.
Folks more concerned with "it just works", stable, and buying whole systems usually aren't hanging on the latest attention deficient disorder pronounce from the tech porn press. It isn't going to buy Apple much and AMD very little to narrow the access to Polaris short term to a Mac Pro.
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Leaks or wish list? Those are two different things. There is little creditable pointing to hardware at WWDC. Usually at the 24 before stage hardware leaks are getting more solid or have completely leaked. Very little of that going on.
Even if there is some eGPU and hardware clues in OS X 10.12, Apple can probably make better short term hype waves with letting that get discovered on rumors/news sites and whipped up in a speculation frenzy than in doing a tech preview with hardware that isn't ready to ship yet.
Ok, I try last time to interpret myself;
- Apple will send Mac Pros' for testing to web sites that have a good reputation. Let's say Anandtech. The review gets a lot more attention, because people are interested in Polaris. So, if AMD would release Polaris alone, a lot less people would read about Mac Pro.
- AMD needs Apple business. So if Apple says, we want the first 50.000 Polaris chips, AMD will deliver.
- There are usually differences between Firepros and Radeons (ECC memory, different drivers etc), similar like between Xeon (more PCI lines and cache) and Core procssessors. BUT, Mac Pro's Dxxx series really are only an under clocked versions of the original Radeons. No other differences. It's a PR trick.
- Current Firepro Dxxx were already mediocre chips when MP was released. The trick is that there are two of them. The reason is the pref/watt/price combination. The problem has been that outside Apple very few apps use both.
- Polaris 10 series will be 2 to 2.5x faster than D300 or D500. Laugh as much as you can, but when there's two of them in nMP, GTX1080 with its nearly double price will start to shiver in its boots.
- Next MP release has only been waiting for these Polaris chips. If AMD's' 20nm product line wouldn't have failed, we'd definitely seen an update for nMP before. New Intel Broadwell-EP and former Haswell-EP are so boring updates, that Apple didn't see it worth the update. Apple really NEEDED AMD in this sense. I'm sure, there has been a lot of collaboration between these two companies also in software side, and next macOS will bring out some of the fruitage.
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Zarni I think you went a bit too optimistic 
2304 GCN core GPU in graphics is as fast as Fury GPU.
The problem is this: it is only 5.8 TFLOPs compared to Fury. Fury has 7.1 TFLOPs, and GTX 1080 has 8.2 TFLOPs at stock. There is no possibility for Polaris 10 to be as fast as GTX 1080, unless there is 3072 GCN core version of the die.
2304 GCN core GPU in graphics is as fast as Fury GPU.
The problem is this: it is only 5.8 TFLOPs compared to Fury. Fury has 7.1 TFLOPs, and GTX 1080 has 8.2 TFLOPs at stock. There is no possibility for Polaris 10 to be as fast as GTX 1080, unless there is 3072 GCN core version of the die.
Zarni I think you went a bit too optimistic
2304 GCN core GPU in graphics is as fast as Fury GPU.
The problem is this: it is only 5.8 TFLOPs compared to Fury. Fury has 7.1 TFLOPs, and GTX 1080 has 8.2 TFLOPs at stock. There is no possibility for Polaris 10 to be as fast as GTX 1080, unless there is 3072 GCN core version of the die.
2x 5.8 TFLOPs = ?
I was speaking about the Dual GPU nMP.
PS. I went to emphasize it in the original text.
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It reads more like a wish list than a leak, especially for the Fury part, which feels more than a little desperate.
I don't see Apple relying on any previous-generation tech such as Fury at this point. A big reason why I think a 7,1 is premature is the wait for a proper D700 replacement. But I still hope you are right - I'd just have to settle on the D500 (presumably a slightly bigger 480). No way would I go Fury with 14nm here.
The whole point of Apple's waiting so long was to achieve a total refresh. Now that we've nearly hit a wall in Moore's law, partial or incremental updates are unlikely to result in significant gains. Like it or not, these days it really does take 2-3 years for an across-the-board refresh (graphics, cpu, ports, etc.) anyway.