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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Doubtful. The only things arriving for end of '16 are 1. System acceleration ( relatively low GB , basically swap/OS/Apps cache ) and 2. x4 PCIe which likely are aimed at max IOPs range ( again likely cache applications: only at DBMS level or "memcache" or "slightly cheaper than a RAMDISK" solutions ).
IF this is on track ...
"... A quick look at NewEgg puts DRAM pricing at approximately $5-6 per gigabyte, whereas the high-end enterprise SSDs are in the range of $2-3. While client SSDs can be had for as low as $0.35, they aren't really a fair comparison because at least initially 3D XPoint will be aimed for enterprise applications. My educated guess is that the first 3D XPoint based products will be priced at about $4 per gigabyte, possibly even slightly lower depending on how DRAM and NAND pricess fall within a year. ..."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9470/...-1000x-higher-performance-endurance-than-nand
That x4 PCI product line and mainstream capacities ( > 128GB ) will be priced close to what a entry level Mac Pro would cost for any decent sized storage capacity.
No, it probably would not work. Those x2 products are likely sized in the 32-64GB range. I doubt very many folks want a main system drive that small for typlical workstation system space. One of those is too small and two will likely fall into the "too expensive" range.
Well if Xeon E5 v5 bumps up to 48 lanes that would open up space for this. 2 * x16 4 * x4 = x48.
It would be just one and optional (due to driving prices substantially higher).
Could use these as a twist on "Fusion Drive" where the Optane takes the hotspot and/or rapidly changing data and the SSD is the relatively larger capacity storage. ( Presuming Apple is sane and starts to drop their NAND SSD prices/capacities into the new range where mainstream is going. )
And then people complain that DXXX are rebranded AMD Radeons.
Confused...
They complained because they were OLD rebranded AMD radeons at launch...
Let's wait and see.
And I doubt the Xeon E5 v5, the 1600 that is of interest to the nMP, will get the full 48 lanes as their siblings on Purley.
Socket (R) remains the same 2011-3, although there's mention to 2061. if it remains 2011-3 I don't believe there will be any changes to the 40 lane of now, no more pins for the extra lanes. If not, great, 48 lanes is almost the ideal count - enough for the 3 TB3 controllers and 1 SSD without switches. A second SSD could go into the PCH, not ideal but ok.
Extra PCIe 3 lanes will be available on the Kaby Lake PCH though, which will be part of the Basin Falls platform along with the 1600.
And I doubt the Xeon E5 v5, the 1600 that is of interest to the nMP, will get the full 48 lanes as their siblings on Purley.
Socket (R) remains the same 2011-3, although there's mention to 2061. if it remains 2011-3 I don't believe there will be any changes to the 40 lane of now, no more pins for the extra lanes. If not, great, 48 lanes is almost the ideal count - enough for the 3 TB3 controllers and 1 SSD without switches. A second SSD could go into the PCH, not ideal but ok.
Extra PCIe 3 lanes will be available on the Kaby Lake PCH though, which will be part of the Basin Falls platform along with the 1600.
These old rebranded Radeons were still beating the performance of any single graphic card two years later. Apples decision to use dual graphic cards was a good one.
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Sorry to report but the wait has Long been over....
At least in in my opinion now. I have tried to remain positive but I see a trend in all that apple says and then does. They said Tablets and phones are the future. Here is what I expect ....
Macbook Air ...... DEAD
Mac Mini ............ DEAD
Mac Pro ............. DEAD
MacOS with be offered on
Laptops = Macbook and Macbook Pro 2
Desktop = iMac and iMac Pro
21" iMac and 27" iMac
27" iMac Pro will offer i7 Extreme up to 10 core or you can choose Xeons with ECC Memory
Video will be based on AMD Mobile with the Thunderbolt port allowing for 3rd Part Multi GPU Expansion Boxes.
With no future Mac mini no need for expensive Thunderbolt displays. If you want or need more displays 3rd party will be your option as it is today if you want 4k and above separate displays. It's worked so far for all the folks running the Mac Pro. They did not see the need to provide new monitors then even though the nMpro could drive how many 4k's? See the writing on the wall.
Not this year but .... Also expect after Samsung releases the new Flexible phones and it all goes well, Apple will follow with Flexible iPhone 8 and an iPad Pro 17 or 19" model with an A12 Processor with 48 core GPU.
Apple is through being the Technology Leader. Let Samsung or others take all the Risk while Apple users continue to line the shareholders pocket out of loyalty.
P.S. The iMac Pro comes in that New Blue (Xeon) and of Coarse Rose Gold for i7 Extreme.
That's just my guess though. Would not put it Past Apple to not announce any Hardware just to see where people stand. If they Don't, Let them know how you feel and not just on this forum that they obviously ignore.
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Renee Richie said it was going to be mostly software, but ya know all watching WWDC means is I won't be watching Netflix
Keep Dreaming, maybe Next Year as silent update.
consider Optane will be ridiculous more expensive (As faster) than the best NVMe today.
I doubt Next MP to use only x8 PCIE3 on GPU2, most likely Apple will plug 2 NVMe PCIE2 to the PCH, and the 8 PCIE3 lines will follow the old route to the back panel to feed TB3/USB-C/Eth.
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Rene 'informed' Ritchie said:
Elegant way to recognize he made a big error predicting an iGPU while he knows the 5K TB3 display is on production from a month ago...
I'm not going to defend him but that is what he said. We've not seen any HW leaks to speak of so Apple really has doubled down on secrecy or there wasn't anything to leak.
How to do that without announcing hardware? eGPU compatability for those Macs with Skylake perhaps - if it comes with the new Mac OS? Maybe some new Metal news which we are expecting in the State of the Union if not keynote.
Happier that hardware isn't in keynote - because it suggests more progress in both hardware and software to have them separate. We all want improvements on software on this new hardware right?
Happier that hardware isn't in keynote - because it suggests more progress in both hardware and software to have them separate. We all want improvements on software on this new hardware right?
Mac Pros are manufactures in land, enforce NDA agreements here is easier than on China, that's explain you why there was no single leak on 2013 nMP announcement, very few people managed only info about a new mac pro to be introduced on a new form factor but actually no body was aware the little surprise apple had then.
Coming back to 2016, AMD Surprise today with an conference to announce products at E3 exactly the same time as Apple's WWDC...
I think it at least should be the Polaris 11 introduction, and maybe another "new" server gpu...
AMD introducing Polaris 11 when WWDC has half hour, means one more thing.... Mac Book Porn
It should be Polaris 11, just minutes before Tim Cook said ... One More Thing ... (epic)
They could of used a single most powerful card at the time, only to have been beaten by the next newest model. Or go with dual graphic cards who's performance would stay relevant over a much longer period of time. They chose the dual card option.
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They then chose to make OS X only use one for compute, leaving the other card purely as display. No CrossFire X support.
They also basically lied, calling them FirePros when they weren't. CrossFire under Windows correctly identifies them as 7xxx series regular cards.
Why did they bother making a dual-GPU the default option, then cripple it in this manner?
The D700's are indeed Firepros. Specs pretty match up perfectly with the PC AMD Firepro's W9000. Rebranding of current consumer to workstation brand with differences in support, drivers and minor hardware differences, is done among major manufactures. Even Nvidias Quattro workstation graphics have been known to be rebranded from their consumer versions.
When the 2013 Mac Pro came out Firepro drivers were not full developed in the window platform still showing D700 are based on their consumer versions. We now have full Firepro driver support within windows.
One card for graphic monitors and one for compute comes from software developers not properly supporting dual graphic card use.
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Looks it's time to start a new thread: nMP 2018 edition.
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Overclock the RX480 ( or whatever the equivalent derivative Apple produces ) isn't going to work in a Mac Pro with the current ( and likely future ) design constraints. More performance out of moving from 4 -> 6-8GB is far more likely. Similarly another option with DDR5X [same issue with the 1070 overclocking bar ].
"Best overclocking foundation" is just about the most opposite metric you can focus on that is aligned with the design parameters.