I wonder if there would be so much griping & moaning & complaining if Apple had just updated the trashcan last year with current components & fixed the overheating issue. Would the natives be less restless?
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Definitely.
What has everybody on edge is the uncertainty of it all. For example Mac Pros not updated for years, Mac Mini not updated for years, a long wait for MacBook Pro updates with an ill received reception.
While all this is happens the general sense is a large push toward iOS. This combined with rumors that there is no longer a dedicated macOS team.
So I would say an update to the trash can somewhere along the line would have calmed some, but certainly not all of the unrest.
The rumor that there's no longer a dedicated MacOS team probably has some truth to it.
Consider the following:
1. Microsoft showed Apple that a "pro" tablet has a market with the Surface Pro. Therefore the iPad "Pro" was released (and was hobbled by iOS), therefore it would behoove Apple to at least hybridize MacOS and iOS for the iPad Pro, if not make a MacOS system-on-chip for the "iPad Pro 2"
2. The tbMBP. Fingerprint recognition was on iOS before the touchbar was announced, and instead of forcing the MacOS team to integrate fingerprint recognition into the touchpad, it would be far easier to add a "Mobile-like" screen to the MBP and use existing iOS code. (and then sell it as a feature)
My best guess is that unlike Steve, Tim doesn't get the same excitement over computers versus mobile devices. That and/or Tim is just trying to emulate Steve without truly understanding how he did things. I think it's a safe bet that Tim is just floundering around not knowing what to do with the Mac line, compounded by the fact that their main hardware suppliers (AMD and Intel) have been dropping the ball lately when it comes to delivering mobile and low power (Mini), and workstation-class (for the pro, the Kaby Lake Xeons were only released in January) processors.
Still, considering the release of LG's thunderbolt 3 screen, I think it shows promise that the Mac mini and Pro will get updates soon enough.
If not, feel free to point and laugh at me.
Indeed. But Microsoft doesn't sell a laptop so their Surface doesn't have to compete with another one of their products.
Apple's dear wish is for everyone to own BOTH their MacBook & iPad and they will always keep iOS hobbled to ensure it can't do it all.
If it was a success Tim would be making a song and dance about it or about who he has moved the pro sector on. Count on it.
Hence why I suggested a Frankenstein iOS/MacOS.
On the other hand, there's zero indication they're going to keep making the MacBook Air, which currently occupies the same price range as the iPad Pro, and the MacBook and MacBook Pro aren't really stepping in it's cornflakes either. Maybe we're looking at the MBA replacement.
Is it in your control room or do you have a machine room? What's the noise level from your 840? Please and thank you...
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cMP Tooled-up: Because there's no Thunderbolt support, I'd have to have an empty multi-SSD PCI sled and a USB-C/USB 3 card jammed in there, and because of the noise, I'd have to run it from a machine room -which means a 35-foot KVM (HDMI or DVI?) or KVM over ethernet. Or seriously impressive Screen Sharing quality and running the cMP from my 2012 Mini that way. No Bluetooth or WiFi allowed.
These points at least are why I'm not spending money on a decked out 2012. Not worth it unless you just want a high end GPU strapped to a bunch of outdated tech.
Apple Stocks rise has to do with speculation About iPhone 8's sales forecast (also a lot of propaganda and 'leaks' here)
People have been complaining about "outdated tech" since computers were invented. No matter what you've got today, it will be too slow & old in no time. If anyone 10 years ago could get their hands on a 2012 computer, they'd be freaking out on how sophisticated & fast it was. All smiles & giggles. They'd be blown away.
I think satisfaction with computer tech is a state of mind. Whatever it is today, we want something better tomorrow.
I think satisfaction with computer tech is a state of mind. Whatever it is today, we want something better tomorrow.
And Phil will retire "Innovate" and "Courage". The new catch-word will be "Fortitude".
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I mostly compose with VIs so the cMac Pro noise level isn't a serious issue. It sounds like a 2013 Mac Pro would simplify things for your needs. You can buy or special order a 6, 8 or 12 core model at B&H Photo with the D300 GPUs and save some money. Free ship/no sales tax.
For Windows have you checked out ADKProAudio? You can call them about your specific needs. They have a lot of configurations and options.
Don't like pictures of 44 core systems with 1 TiB of RAM and four Titan-X Pascals ?
IMHO, any Apple product that got long time Mac users to switch to windows should be considered a failure.
Nothing that would go in a Mac Pro ( or iMac even )
A very limited set of mobile Xeon E3 . One example.
http://ark.intel.com/products/97468/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1535M-v6-8M-Cache-3_10-GHz
'Xeon' all by itself is not all that meaningful a description. There are four different product groups with that general grouping name : D , E3 , E5 , E7
https://www.zotac.com/product/mini_pcs/mi549-nano
https://www.zotac.com/product/mini_pcs/ci549-nano (a fanless version)
This is a Mac-mini like KabyLake pc with thunderbolt 3 port from Lilliputan ZOTAC, WHY APPLE 1000x bigger CANT UPDATE THE MAC MINI?
https://www.zotac.com/product/mini_pcs/ci549-nano (a fanless version)
This is a Mac-mini like KabyLake pc with thunderbolt 3 port from Lilliputan ZOTAC, WHY APPLE 1000x bigger CANT UPDATE THE MAC MINI?
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Technically yes. Although the Xeon Phi that plugs into a "CPU" socket has only recently ( Q4 16) been released, it is about as out of place as this mobile chip, but for different reasons. There is no hardware virtualization support or typical add-on instruction features other than the extended AXV 512. They also start at about $2400 (before Apple's 30% mark-up) for just the processor so aren't really viable in typical lower end for the Mac Pro price range.
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The laptops haven't gotten to gen 7 ( Kaby Lake) yet.... why would a entry desktop 'beat' them to the punch?
The Mini is comatose in part because it always tracked the slot the MBP 13" traditionally sat in (and a variation of entry MBP 15" for the top end). When Apple went off wandering tracking the MBA for entry mini and the mainstream (non Retina) MBP 13" went comatose ... the Mini got 'lost'. It is still lost in the weeds. The Mini has always primarily tracked another Mac model for most of its major parts. The fact that the whole line up is not making much progress trickles down to an even bigger log jam at the Mini level.
The Macbook could seriously use a Gen 7 processor plus TB v3 update and yet crickets chirp at 1 Infinite Loop drive.
Zotac has a product because they actually allocated time and money to making something. It is a bit unclear what Apple resources have allocated to Macs at all. They spent entire 2016 with one minor speed bump and two stabs at a MBP. It is like they can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
IHMO, the Mini should be switched to tracking the 21.5" iMac. A lower cost headless iMac. That makes more sense than trying to track the laptops. The iMac should be due for an upgrade this Spring also.... but again crickets chirping.
This is a poor argument for merged macOS iOS. Microsoft is using their model because they pragmatically don't have a mobile OS ( it is still imploding. ). It uses Windows primarily because it has to as it is the only viable option; it has a big enough ecosystem to survive long term. [ there is some stuff with Continuum with windows mobile but so far that doesn't have much growth traction. ]
iOS is a much bigger and still growing OS ecosystem. Apple doesn't need a "Surface Pro" killer. They primarily need just need to sell more iPads. [ iPads are in a sales slump and more so need current iPad owners to upgrade far more than need to cannabilize Mac users. ]
It isn't about using iOS code as much as the watchOS system ( both hardware, Secure Enclave) and a very narrow subset of the "iOS" baseline. All the touchbar does is run an app that copies the screen from the Mac and does the fingerprint processing handoffs in a secure way. That is it. It isn't iOS as it is normally used in iPhones or iPads at all.
Eh? Jobs was not a 'mobiles second' person in the later years at all. Laptops (mobile) first has been the focus of the Mac line up for a decade (much of that under Jobs' direction and/or 5 year development plan. )
Actually it seems like Cook is following Jobs dogma perhaps a bit too closely. Running all of Apple's industrial design through a limited (almost fixed) size team won't scale where Apple is operating now. There should be synergies and shared design across Apple products but taken to a resource constraining extreme that isn't going to work.
Because Apple is trying to find the "next big home run" the fixed size shared resources are likely just running out of time to work on Mac stuff. They can't bungle the iPhone stuff because the stock price would crumble. (and for most execs at Apple crumble a huge chunk of their personal wealth too. ).
Users are also buying on longer cycles. The iPad hit this. The Mac hit this several years ago. The Mac Pro segment further still. The slower the cycle that folks by new computers the more likely Cook is going to slow the development process. It is just a direct extension to "just in time" manufacturing. As demand changes.... change the supply. Slower buy... slower build. Jobs still being around extremely likely would not change that dynamic.
The mini has tracked the MBP which has changed so there really isn't good excuse if Apple was applying resources to Mac product line development. In 2016 Apple did not update to the MBA ... no good reason. (in fact the "function key" MBP 13" could have very well as been a MBA update if it didn't have the highly upgraded screen attached. ). A Mini with shared MBP 2016 parts was more than doable.
as pointed out in another thread is are no "Kaby Lake Xeons" in the Mac Pro class ( or iMac class although that should change in a couple months). Thunderbolt 3 and the GPU are far more likely blockers at this point.
Only one of the LG docking stations was TBv3. The other is quite matched to the MacBook. The others to the two MBP 2016 model line ups. There isn't anything primarily "desktop" focused about them. ( Again not a new Cook thing. Jobs stopped monitor-only products about a decade ago also. )
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it was a much bigger product management ( and R&D development) stumble than just physical components. Mac Pro 2013 was a pretty big bet on OpenCL and Apple didn't follow through on that is a robust fashion. There was a bigger push against it that they didn't particularly help with. Gaming on iOS and ideas swirling around opengl next , Mantle, Metal. Throw on top HSA ( Heterogenous system architecture) development and the stuff that arrive later to OpenCL
Apple (and AMD? or just wasn't ask to) didn't move the Mac Pro foundation forward to OpenCL 2.0 (which was done at 28nm ).
This all probably would have worked out better for the Apple, users and Mac Pro product line if Apple has just done one more iteration Xeon E5 v1/v2 with old form factor and started to push hard on OpenCL with that. Laying the software foundation took longer. [ If Thunderbolt was a must have just a iMac like solution would work.]
Then could have jumped into new form factor at E5v3 with better grounded foundation on both software and hardware side. But yes, synchronization with the factors outside of the Mac Pro development were 'off'. Also if the plan has been to iterate in 1-1.5 years that too. but if had plan to hide in a hole for 3 years they should have waited for a better foundation.
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Well I've officially stopped waiting for the 7,1. Just finished ordering the parts I'll need to build a pretty great Hackintosh. I'll be putting it together next week.
It's really just a test machine to see how well I can move my workflow to Linux, with OS X as a fallback and Windows for gaming. CPU is possibly a bit weaker than a high end nMP, I'll admit, but it's got much better OpenCL power (with the option to expand that significantly if needed), CUDA (though I prefer OpenCL, I'll take it), DDR4 RAM, plenty of internal storage, 6 PCIe slots, and I'm sad to say it's all much cheaper than the nMP for the power. It even has Thunderbolt 3. Really the important thing is it's better than my cMP in every respect and I know I can continue to upgrade it for years to come. The nMP was outdated when it came out and has essentially no upgrade path, so that was really a non-starter for me.
It sucks things have come to this. I've never even owned a computer before that wasn't built by Apple. I can't say with 100% certainty that I'll be able to get OS X running on it until I try, though I'm pretty sure everything will work fine based on my research. If it doesn't work, well, no big loss. I've already found likely (and free) Linux replacements for most of my Adobe software, so goodbye annoying Adobe subscription model. I still prefer OS X over Linux in many respects but Apple hasn't really released a version I've been thrilled about since Snow Leopard and it might not be the worst thing to make a clean break. I'm already very comfortable in Linux so it's not going to be a severe learning curve switching.
So yeah, good luck to all of you still waiting. I really do hope Apple releases something soon, and if it's more like the cMP and they keep updating it I might even come back someday.
It's really just a test machine to see how well I can move my workflow to Linux, with OS X as a fallback and Windows for gaming. CPU is possibly a bit weaker than a high end nMP, I'll admit, but it's got much better OpenCL power (with the option to expand that significantly if needed), CUDA (though I prefer OpenCL, I'll take it), DDR4 RAM, plenty of internal storage, 6 PCIe slots, and I'm sad to say it's all much cheaper than the nMP for the power. It even has Thunderbolt 3. Really the important thing is it's better than my cMP in every respect and I know I can continue to upgrade it for years to come. The nMP was outdated when it came out and has essentially no upgrade path, so that was really a non-starter for me.
It sucks things have come to this. I've never even owned a computer before that wasn't built by Apple. I can't say with 100% certainty that I'll be able to get OS X running on it until I try, though I'm pretty sure everything will work fine based on my research. If it doesn't work, well, no big loss. I've already found likely (and free) Linux replacements for most of my Adobe software, so goodbye annoying Adobe subscription model. I still prefer OS X over Linux in many respects but Apple hasn't really released a version I've been thrilled about since Snow Leopard and it might not be the worst thing to make a clean break. I'm already very comfortable in Linux so it's not going to be a severe learning curve switching.
So yeah, good luck to all of you still waiting. I really do hope Apple releases something soon, and if it's more like the cMP and they keep updating it I might even come back someday.