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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

scoobs69 said:
Then in 2013, they bring out the black cylinder version of the Mac Pro, with zero internal expansion in terms of storage and PCIe.
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At the Moment (2014-mid 2015), despite 'lack' of expandability, the tcMP was a hit, only angry users where those attached to DVDs and DIY upgrades.

scoobs69 said:
Apple now admitting fault of the design, which they likely new about at least a two years ago, said they're "just starting" the design and engineering of the Mac Pro. Egads, that should have been started in 2015.
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There are a lot of untold secrets in this soap opera named Mac Pro, i don't buy they just realized they cant upgrade the tcMP form factor to the current market needs, even lacking a 300W single gpu option, Apple could have provided some incremental upgrades, they didn't, why?.

scoobs69 said:
left the USB 3 SD card slot in
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I dont blame Apple for remove the SD slot, my experience with laptop SD slots cant be worse, every single laptot I had (HP, DELL, LENOVO, APPLE) at some point for whatever reason the SD slot failed, so I used to rely on an external reader (I'm a photo aficionado).

scoobs69 said:
So yes. The pessimism and cynicism are rather warranted, as it's slowly been building up over the past few years.
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I Agree, some markets dont likes surprises, even when surprises are positive, so Apple should share more with its Pro User Base, and build predictable product upgrades the pro's could rely on, not just wait with 'faith' on a company with a lot of 'courage' to ignore and dissapoint.

scoobs69 said:
If Apple announces a new iMac that doesn't cost $5,000 for the top of the line machine - money is an issue for some of us - Stupendous. I'll happily dive in. :D
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I'll keep my fingers crossed as you...
 
Mago said:
Wait for Coock's (or Schiller's) shameless apologetic introduction to the mMP next year (or whenever it arrives), they should show 'amaaaazinnng figures' no other workstation achieved.... (On purpose I didnt name 'sales').
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You'll be able to rent iTunes multimedia materials at an unprecedented rate! What would be strangely hilarious is if the next-gen FCPX/Motion/Compressor bundles go to CUDA and abandon Open CL.

Is it a certainty that D500s will die prematurely in a 6-core nMP? Or is it only if they're pushed as they would if they were NVIDIA cards ina cMP working in a VFX/post studio? I gotta say that as machines for Pro Tools 12, those silent nMPs are pretty stellar. I just don't know if I can trust it. You know? And yeah, I have A/C.
 
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I just wanted to throw out the random point here: Apple knows how to engineer silent workstations. I don't know what the experience of other persons who switched to HP or Dell workstations have been but, boy, are they loud! I still have my HP Z820 from 2014 when I switched from a Mac Pro 5.1 and I have no choice but to sell it locally. It's the fan noise. I'm not the only one complaining. I've tried various fixes - no go. The Z840 is quieter, but it definitely would get itself thrown out of a library!
 
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SnoFlo said:
Apple knows how to engineer silent workstations.
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That's isn't rocket science, HP and Dell build loud Workstations coz they user base dont care about noise but optimal reliable cooling for marathon rendering or number crushing, Ia not impossible Dell, HP and others to build silent workstations but isnt a major selling point to their customers.

What Apple needs to learn now from tcMP failure, is how to build a reliable, flexible silent (or optionally silent) workstation.

The tcMP wasnt a failure due lack of PCIe slots, neither lack of DIY GPU Updates, the tcMP failed on not to allow single 300W+ GPU(s), neither providing enough cooling/psu headroom for marathon workloads.

But Apple dont need to hire NASA's engineers, neither Poach Tesla's DC-DC switching supplies gugrues, a MP either with flexible TDP (500-900W) and latest Intel/nVidia/Radeon silicon (even custom connectors) dont require a full year to get ready for the market, and that's is not a good sign, Apple is buying time, either for AMD to get ready Naples and Vega, or simple they havent enough R&D people to get it ready (its know few key figures in Mac HW R&D departed to tesla or elsewhere).

lets see...
 
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I'm tired of my 5,1 sleeping while I'm doing work. It takes 10 seconds to start up the hd again....making "frrrrrrmmm" noise when it wakes up.
 
Mago said:
What Apple needs to learn now from tcMP failure, is how to build a reliable, flexible silent (or optionally silent) workstation.

The tcMP wasnt a failure due lack of PCIe slots, neither lack of DIY GPU Updates, the tcMP failed on not to allow single 300W+ GPU(s), neither providing enough cooling/psu headroom for marathon workloads.
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Sometimes I wonder if you even own (or have owned or used) a Mac Pro. Of course acoustic performance is important; Apple knows these things live in studios.

And to say the cMP didn't provide sufficient power and cooling for marathon workloads is just... got any examples of cMPs failing under heavy load due to these deficiencies? I certainly haven't seen any such widespread failures.

[edit] never mind Mago, I misunderstood your abbreviation as the tower style Mac Pro.
 
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Mago said:
That's isn't rocket science, HP and Dell build loud Workstations coz they user base dont care about noise but optimal reliable cooling for marathon rendering or number crushing, Ia not impossible Dell, HP and others to build silent workstations but isnt a major selling point to their customers.
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I'm certain you are right. However, from the more frequent concerns raised about noise on the HP/Dell/Lenovo workstation forums maybe the user base is changing a bit. Lenovo seems to be on to this as they specifically attempt to limit the number of fans in their systems to cut down on noise. Anyway, just wanted ppl to know my experience.
 
FWIW, most of the higher end suites I've been in have a separate machine room or a purpose built cabinet. That said, I am a big fan (pun intended) of workstation cooling solutions that use larger, slower fans and well positioned heat sinks - even if it means a monster case.
 
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Flint Ironstag said:
And to say the cMP didn't provide sufficient power and cooling for marathon workloads is just... got any examples of cMPs failing under heavy load due to these deficiencies? I certainly haven't seen any such widespread failures.
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side note / clarification:

mago speaks of tcMP (trashcan mac pro).. not cMP.

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tbh, not very fond of 'tcMP'.. i hope it doesn't catch on as it doesn't read very easily ;)
 
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vailr said:
You didn't mention the Hackintosh as being a possible alternative.
Take a look at this video "Is a $70 Hackintosh Any Good?":
Or, for a bigger budget & current 2017 hardware: read some of the "Kabylake build" forum posts on tonymacx86.com.
https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/...cpus-200-series-motherboards-in-macos.219877/
As soon as Intel Kabylake CPU's are integrated into refreshed iMac's, the install process on a Hackintosh will become even easier.
Intel Skylake CPU's are already officially supported.
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I've looked at Hackintosh, and continue to go back and consider it. But they seem so fussy and hit or miss to finally stabilize the machine. This the machine I'll be working on - I can't spend weeks trying to get it to work properly.

But yeah, if there was a way to load El Capitan (which is what I'm using now) on to a Hackintosh, in an easier and more reliable way in terms of system stability - like being rock solid stable - I'd be all over it. Cripes! Who wouldn't? :)
 
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Mago said:
TThe tcMP wasnt a failure due lack of PCIe slots, neither lack of DIY GPU Updates, the tcMP failed on not to allow single 300W+ GPU(s), neither providing enough cooling/psu headroom for marathon workloads.
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I think you're fundamentally wrong on this assertion. The market that abandoned *Apple* over the nMP IS the market that requires the option of multiple high power GPUs, and the option to keep the GPUs cutting edge throughout the capital depreciation and warranty lifespan of the rest of the system.

The non-Apple alternatives to the nMP also allow for the "single high power GPU" narrative that Apple, and their media sockpuppets, have been trying to assert is the sum totality of content creation needs.

IF apple had kept the box-of-slots paradigm, they wouldn't have suffered the double black swan of AMD being unable to produce the goods, and Nvidia's 1080.

Apple can't predict the future, and in workstations and pro content creation, they can't force the future like they can in phones and laptops, by virtue of volume. There are few enough potential customers, that locking ANY of them out to pursue a fetish for absolute silence, tinyness, or any goal outside of "throughput and configuration flexibility" will make the product non-viable.
 
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Obviously the vast majority of people here have never used the tcMP's GPUs under windows, in crossfire. Otherwise, they wouldn't dare use the words "silent" and "tcMP" in the same sentence. :)
 
JamesPDX said:
You'll be able to rent iTunes multimedia materials at an unprecedented rate! What would be strangely hilarious is if the next-gen FCPX/Motion/Compressor bundles go to CUDA and abandon Open CL.

Is it a certainty that D500s will die prematurely in a 6-core nMP? Or is it only if they're pushed as they would if they were NVIDIA cards ina cMP working in a VFX/post studio? I gotta say that as machines for Pro Tools 12, those silent nMPs are pretty stellar. I just don't know if I can trust it. You know? And yeah, I have A/C.
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I am asking this to not only you, but EVERYBODY.

If you think that GPU failures in Mac Pro are because of thermal constraints, how the hell in your mind reversing the computer to OS X 10.9.5 completely removes any GPU failures?

Its very easy to call MP a failure, because of GPU problems. The thing is that the GPU problems are more spooky. They can be caused by software, or by Thunderbolt controller itself(Windows 10 and 7 also has problems with it...).

For me, MP 6.1 was most innovative computer I have ever seen, and the direction was good. Only thing it lacked IMO, was liquid cooling. And updates...
 
koyoot said:
I am asking this to not only you, but EVERYBODY.

If you think that GPU failures in Mac Pro are because of thermal constraints, how the hell in your mind reversing the computer to OS X 10.9.5 completely removes any GPU failures?

Its very easy to call MP a failure, because of GPU problems. The thing is that the GPU problems are more spooky. They can be caused by software, or by Thunderbolt controller itself(Windows 10 and 7 also has problems with it...).

For me, MP 6.1 was most innovative computer I have ever seen, and the direction was good. Only thing it lacked IMO, was liquid cooling. And updates...
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That doesn’t mean as much as you think it does.
For example, 10.10 may have allowed the device to run at 100% and thereby over stress a bad design.
10.9 may only allow the hardware to max out at 95%.

I remember a company I used to work for wrote a fault out of the software in a later release so that the unit couldn't run as hard. The deficiency was still there, we just never had the chance to expose it any more.
 
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H2SO4 said:
That doesn’t mean as much as you think it does.
For example, 10.10 may have allowed the device to run at 100% and thereby over stress a bad design.
10.9 may only allow the hardware to max out at 95%.

I remember a company I used to work for wrote a fault out of the software in a later release so that the unit couldn't run as hard. The deficiency was still there, we just never had the chance to expose it any more.
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The GPUs are heating up to 90 degrees C regardless of the OS.
 
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