Well having 840 helps.....but i still gotta roll with fcpx
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thank you. I'll look into that. Bu the way..where do i install tgis memory looking thing?
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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let's see 1 bus tied the on chip video?? Will they cut down the pci-e lanes to fit this in? What about workstation and server chips that don't have on chip video?
Okay, this is a long post, but please bear with me.
Don't get me wrong. I totally agree that the machine was very innovative. It was the most perfect machine in that way for my studio. But a $4k production machine has got to be flawless or it's worthless: If it's down or out for repair it's of no use. I think there are underlying issues that may be contributing to premature failures. I was hoping that I would be one of the lucky ones, but it was not to be. I'm just not willing to roll the dice on another unit just to run-up the mileage on my car when I have to take it to a Genius Bar and back, again and again.
I did see a marked improvement on my (now gone) 2013 8-core D300 machine when 10.12.5 was released and I did yet another clean install of everything. It was just a little less crashy. YMMV. I didn't have any fan issues or heat issues during the normal operation of that unit, it mostly just crash sometime overnight during sleep. It always passed the hardware test. I went through different levels of Apple Care Support. They replaced the i/o board, they replaced the graphics board (not the actual D300 cards, but the board they sit on.) Got the machine back from the service center and...... Crash! I ended up with the folks at Apple Customer Relations. They refused to replace the entire machine even though I was still covered under Apple Care.
I even checked the firmware versions of my Apple Thunderbolt cables. I never ran this machine hard and the fact that Apple was unwilling to swap out the machine was rather absurd given how expensive these machines cost. -Even now. I was tempted to pick up a 6-core, but I just can't trust a design that Apple won't stand behind, even with Apple Care. I'm fairly certain that the issues are perhaps no deeper than lead-free-solder. At least if it was like the old capacitor plague from many years back, we'd just get new logic boards and hopefully, the lesson would have been learned. Apparently, emoji design, media-tainment subscription services and the obsession with removing useful ports making things thinner at the cost of functionality and durability is more important than real R&D improvements.
If I could be assured that whatever flaws in the design have been corrected for new builds, I'd buy one today. I just can't trust it, and that's a terrible distraction in a studio environment.
The only thing that I was assured of in dealing with Apple is that my call was important to them.
What I also learned was that my 2012 i7 2.6 GHz Mini runs perfectly with the exact same hardware and cabling attached. -And I've never had invoke warranty on a 2012 Mini. A $4k computer had better run with utter perfection. Actually, in this age of engineering, there is no excuse for things not being essentially flawless unless the design or materials are flawed. I know that there's no free lunch. -I'm looking at the tin-whiskered green-washers.
The "integrated in CPU" Intel options are highly likely confined to the Core-M like space. Cut down the PCI-e lanes? Probably not. Core-M only has 10 but since on chip they could easily just add 4 internally and they hook up to the CPU package internal controller all the inputs. The USB , DisplayPort, and PCI. The CPU package should have some GPIO pins also.
there is a catch-22 in integrating since the TB contoller has to be placed close to the ports
" ... The spec for max trace length between the Thunderbolt controller and port is two inches, compared to up to 10 inches for Intel's USB 3.0 controller. ... "
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5884/...s-part-2-intels-dz77rek75-asus-p8z77v-premium
For Core-M systems ( Macbook or thin, Windows tablets ) that is doable because not dragging around large cooling solution and perhaps only have 1-2 ports maximum anyway.
In the Xeon E5 like space, I think this "integration" aspect doesn't nothing. ,,, because it won't be.
The 3rd party chipmaker licensing would probably help a bit in the workstation space in that folks could build custom chips that were a "dock on a chip" or "storage array on a chip". Similar to the current "USB+SATA+RAID" chipsets that allow simple 2-4 drive systems there could be "USB+TB+JBOD-SATA " chipset that let folks build very low chip count logic boards that implement a storage solution.
It probably doesn't nothing about the the 'war' between discrete GPU cards wanting to control the DisplayPort output on their edge versus aligning with Thunderbolt. Depending on just how loose the certification standards are implement, we could see even more Rube Goldberg and flakey options appear alongside a few solid ones.
I would have paid good money for that GPU patch to be somehow global.
There are two possibilities:
[1] Apple was unable to provide such a patch.
[2] Apple was unwilling to provide such a patch.
Remember when I was talking about Possibilities for 8K monitor@60 Hz, and its requirements?
Unless there will be cards with USB-C, and Thunderbolt connection we will not see user replaceable GPUs in modular Mac Pro.
Well...
And connect it now with information that Intel will open up Thunderbolt protocol next year. It actually makes possible both: USB-C/Thunderbolt 8K display, and user replaceable GPUs.
Unless there will be cards with USB-C, and Thunderbolt connection we will not see user replaceable GPUs in modular Mac Pro.
Well...
https://videocardz.com/69791/msi-to-unveil-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-lightning-z-at-computex
And connect it now with information that Intel will open up Thunderbolt protocol next year. It actually makes possible both: USB-C/Thunderbolt 8K display, and user replaceable GPUs.
8K its a very limited niche, I dont believe apple to offer 8K, but a pro/studio quality 5K.
BTW those are good news for hackintosh
They already do. But LG branded.
The only display resolution they can chase right now is 8K.
This is a pro/studio monitor
eizo coloredge cg318-4k
http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/coloredge/cg318-4k/
or the NEC PA322uhd
http://www.necdisplay.com/p/desktop-monitors/pa322uhd-bk-sv
Just because Apple slaps to something a Pro moniker, doesn't make it such.
TV Networks are already moving their master source material to 8k. 576 -> 720 -> 1080 -> 4k -> 8k the lifespan of a resolution as the top quality keeps getting shorter, and 8k's primary niche, is the very market Apple traditionally wants to pitch their pro hardware towards.
We waited and waited... and finally, the Vega which was supposed to end up in the ...updated tcMP is out:
http://pro.radeon.com/en-us/frontier/
http://pro.radeon.com/en-us/frontier/
Honestly I think 8K is overkill. 5K is already more than most displays out there. Now we're increasingly exponentially. Excited for 16K I guess 
In order for 8K to have the same DPI as the 5K iMac, wouldn't the screen have to be 40" or something ridiculous like that?
In order for 8K to have the same DPI as the 5K iMac, wouldn't the screen have to be 40" or something ridiculous like that?
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In other world, specifically rumorland, a clerck friend to my cousin in law who knows somebody that collects waste at Jhonny Ive's home told them Apple is cosidering nVidia Approach at DXG-1 for the mMP: Mezzanine GPUs, not decided about cooling but considering from Fan-less system to clossed loop liquid cooling, no PCIe slot but some modular alternative (TB3 PCIe cage?), the mMP could look either as a Cube or as bigger TrashCan, and its safe to bet it wont include any spinner or CD but a buch of TBv3 and TBv2 ports plus HDMI 2.1
a huge salt load is indicated.
a huge salt load is indicated.
How would this work? I would think some airflow has to cross a radiator to cool a liquid system.
USB Type C only mandatory protocol is USB 2.0. Now a GPU card probably has the DisplayPort alternative mode. But this mandates nothing about Thunderbolt. The only question about this card is whether it gets the mandatory USB 2.0 single from the motherboard's USB header via some Rube Goldberg connection or if they have siphoned off some PCI-e bandwdith for a USB controller onboard. if this is a "put it on because we can" card then I suspect it will be the former. If trying to add USB 3.1 gen 2 to older PCs with limited slots ... then perhaps this is a gen 2 (controller) + Alternative DP solution in the latter case. But Thunderbolt ... there are no indicators here at all. [ In the latter case , I highly doubt getting power provision out of the Type-C port in the normal Thunderbolt range. ]
A single type-C socket set to DP1.3-1.4 does not provision 8K at all. You'd need two DP1.3-1.4 streams to do 8K. The other full sized DP ports on the cards are more than capable of accomplishing that mission without any Type-C being present.. ... especially a single Type-C which can't do it by itself. So this buys a whole lot of nothing for 8K. Nothing.
Opening Thunderbolt does very little in this context. It does a whole lot of nothing to provisioning 8K over TB. As for a user replaceable GPU... again no. There is nothing additionally possible that isn't doable now. Opening the specs isn't magically going to get GPIO onto the GPU card. Putting TB on a discrete GPU card is a hammer looking for a nail solution. All that is needed from the GPU card is to get the DisplayPort streams off without pumping them through an exterior edge. The additional power, GPIO, and USB overhead that comes with TB is stuff that the vast of majority of GPU cards don't need this additional complexity. The lowest common denominator box-with-slot aren't going to provision extra complexity.
There is additional power (for provision out the TB port), GPIO, and baseline USB support available elsewhere on the motherboard. Pushing all of that along with 250-300W for the other stuff the card is doing is myopic. It is like trying to cram a brand new PC onto a single add in card to justify sitting on the same old dated baseline system.
a Fanless Mac Pro could include a low power GPU with a massive heatsink, as a medium powered Xeon CPU, something like GTX1030 or RX550, ideal for recording studios.
While those Mac for video VR/AR producers, could include single/dual nVidia V100 or AMD Vega FE with liquid cooling.
I'm not familiar with Mezzanine Form Factor advantages but this points to a flatten system IMHO (like a bigger mac mini)
Honestly I think 8K is overkill. 5K is already more than most displays out there. Now we're increasingly exponentially. Excited for 16K I guess
In order for 8K to have the same DPI as the 5K iMac, wouldn't the screen have to be 40" or something ridiculous like that?
Before I got my Dell 5K for my MacPro, I had an Apple 30" ACD attached to it. I also thought 5K would be an overkill. Then now I get used to the 5K, and I feel it's not enough. I won't get an 8K monitor as soon as it is on the market. But I will be very happy to see it become more affordable, and will get one for my next MacPro.
That being said, you made a good point about the size of the monitor. An 8K monitor of 28" is probably too fine in DPI. 40" is probably too large. Something in between will be nice.
There is probably an ideal physical limit for pixel pitch on desktop monitors, as with a regular use case your eyes have to be 2 feet or so away from the plane of display, there should be a point of diminishing return by increasing pitch after a certain point. On the flip side, it may be more advantageous to use the same extra bandwidth on color depth, frame rate etc which should enhance viewing experience or even professional workflows. For example, I think monitors like the Eizo CG248-4K is striking a pretty good balance in pushing across these specs, it is UHD 60(71.5)Hz at 24" (185PPI), DCI-P3/ARGB 99%. More resolution is probably the last thing I would ask to improve this type of display down the road, it will be a beast if it can do 10-bit HDR at ARGB >100% at 120Hz.
If Apple were serious about re-entering the display market, I think they need to up their own game against professional grade makers like Eizo or NEC, and work more on actual features and specs that do help workflows instead of numbering gimmicks. 8K or single powered cable USB-C hubs are nice to have but they fundamentally are secondary.
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Yep, 8K is pointless. I can see raw *capture* but no one is going to be delivering it anytime soon. You barely have stuff being mastered for 4K and broadcast or streamed that way.
*Better* displays with HDR/P3 and stuff are far more valuable. I know the nicest thing for my job would be being able to make nice gradients that don't turn into a blocky trashfire when viewed on Youtube.
Or, as a gamer and visual designer, I either have to choose 120Hz, P3 displays, or 4K. There's basically no options to get all three.
*Better* displays with HDR/P3 and stuff are far more valuable. I know the nicest thing for my job would be being able to make nice gradients that don't turn into a blocky trashfire when viewed on Youtube.
Or, as a gamer and visual designer, I either have to choose 120Hz, P3 displays, or 4K. There's basically no options to get all three.
If Apple were serious about entering the pro display market then that’s a contradiction of sorts. First priority needs to be a *quick* replacement for the 6,1 (and all those hanging on to their 5,1s — which might even number more than 6,1 users). Else there will be even less of a market for an overpriced display. Given that a user could build a Hackintosh in a week, I dread to think what the plentiful engineers and designers at Apple will be doing over the next 18 months: sweating over a bezel angle here, trying to lose a 100 rpm of fan speed there, coming up with some proprietary restriction, tweaking the OS for the big screen, walking the form catwalk … it just boggles the mind. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns. . .