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What about the non tech savvy pros then?
I don’t think an ARM Mac Pro will be as good as you think and will be pretty limited. Does it also not mean all programmes would need to be re-written to work in it?
According to Apple the A12X is as powerful as an Xbox One S. well that’s a pretty big claim to make as that console is running a version of Windows. It is more then capable of running full blown Windows 10.

So if it’s powerful and runs millions of apps. You’ll be getting potentially a Mac Pro with a powerful processor that can’t run many programmes at all?

Is the pro market ready for another Power PC to Intel Switch?

I do not want or need another transition. I prefer to stay as it is, intel CPUs, please.
 
I still occasionally use the sticky notes feature. Most of my other widgets have been discontinued or broke over the years. Was actually surprised it made it to Mojave.
The iCloud enabled Notes took over dashboard stickies for me. But I still use the conversion widgets because you can open unlimited instances of them and they can be placed freely over the screen, which I have found no alternative apps that can do the same.
 
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Aperture wasn't strategic. Lightroom was dominating.
Many would disagree. Lightroom became dominant (on Macs) after Aperture's cancelation, or so I think.
Anyway, this was just an example of the many software titles that Apple cancelled (i.e. Shake), for their reasons.
I'm using Lightroom too, after the Aperture's discontinuation. It was another transition pain.
 
Throughout the G4/G5 days Steve and the Amigos would stand on stage at MacWorld and claim that the Apple Pro systems were faster than PCs - but based on cherry-picking applications that were hand-coded for AltiVec (renamed by Apple marketing to "Velocity Engine").

It was obvious to most that in fact the Intel CPUs were in fact faster overall. Regardless of "Phil my ass" talking about bubbles.

Those claims were suspect 20 years ago - why believe anything that Apple says about the A-series?

(Note that I'm not suggesting that Apple is making Trumpian-level lies - just that Apple marketing picks tiny factoids out of context to build its alternate universe.)


The pro market doesn't care - they've already bought Z-series Xeons. That's why it won't matter what the MP7,1 is (if it ever ships).

I was using the iPad Pro as an example, because despite the age of an Xbox One S, it is powerful enough and does actually run Windows.
Now I don’t believe Apples claim either, no way to prove it for a start. But I wanted to use it’s claim in the context of the discussion.

Personally I see nothing wrong with Intel chips, they are upgraded regularly, but Apple chooses to ignore those updates.
The company has gone from having exclusive pre-launch Intel chip tech, like the MacBook Air:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2420

To one that seems to now always use Intel chips a generation behind what Intel sells. I would argue this is the price you pay for form over function..
 
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So , if Apple ignores already available upgrades, from their partners, is it going to be any better when they will have to do all the work, to design, test and produce them? would that be faster or cheaper? I do not think so.
The real problem is Apple's decisions.
 
I still occasionally use the sticky notes feature. Most of my other widgets have been discontinued or broke over the years. Was actually surprised it made it to Mojave.
The calendar, translation, conversion, and calculator still get regular use from me. I imagine it sticks around because there’s a die-hard contingent like me that still keeps regularly using it enough for Apple to basically just leave it on and abandoned.

Considering that’s still the fastest way to access those tools I hope it sticks around.
 
The calendar, translation, conversion, and calculator still get regular use from me. I imagine it sticks around because there’s a die-hard contingent like me that still keeps regularly using it enough for Apple to basically just leave it on and abandoned.

Considering that’s still the fastest way to access those tools I hope it sticks around.
I use them too.
Isn't the translation discontinued?
 
The calendar, translation, conversion, and calculator still get regular use from me. I imagine it sticks around because there’s a die-hard contingent like me that still keeps regularly using it enough for Apple to basically just leave it on and abandoned.

Considering that’s still the fastest way to access those tools I hope it sticks around.

Same here. Dashboard is full of stickies too and set up to fade in as an overlay when I touch a hot corner. Been like that since Leopard for me. I love that the stickies survive reboots without losing content. Is there even a replacement for it? Don't say notification center - not sure how to start to replicate the functionality in there, looks more like some swipe bar on a smartphone with a really rigid UI approach.
 
Half a dozen instances of world clock for east & west coast Us time zones, uk, Australian central, west coast, and DST-observing east coast states, Japan and wherever my partner might be travelling to, as well as currency / unit converters.

So. Much. Better. Than today view widgets in the notifications panel.
 
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Only thing from iOS I want is a few apps to replace aging widgets on my dashboard. Anyone still remember / use dashboard?

That reminds me I got to disable Dashboard in Terminal again, the damn thing is hardwired to F3 ...
What is it with Apple and locking down the keyboard anyways ?
Grumpl ... ;)
 
That reminds me I got to disable Dashboard in Terminal again, the damn thing is hardwired to F3 ...
What is it with Apple and locking down the keyboard anyways ?
Grumpl ... ;)
There is an option to disable it in system preferences->mission control->dashboard, drop down list, deactivate.
Isn't this working for you?
 
There is an option to disable it in system preferences->mission control->dashboard, drop down list, deactivate.
Isn't this working for you?

Thanks for the advice, but I'm running Mavericks, which doesn't have that option .

In the keyboard shortcuts field below, in mission control prefs, I can select no key for dashboard .
But that doesnt work , it just keeps using F4 on my Apple keyboard .
See screenshot ( sorry, German ) .

Terminal should work though .


Edit - it's F4 actually, not F3 ...

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So the new imac with 8 core I9 processor goes in the "pro" line except again the internal design is not optimal for cooling and throttling prevents reaching the full potential?
 
Thanks for the advice, but I'm running Mavericks, which doesn't have that option .

In the keyboard shortcuts field below, in mission control prefs, I can select no key for dashboard .
But that doesnt work , it just keeps using F4 on my Apple keyboard .
See screenshot ( sorry, German ) .

Terminal should work though .


Edit - it's F4 actually, not F3 ...

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It seems that you have not any other option, I didn't know you are running Mavericks so my advice is not valid. :)
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So the new imac with 8 core I9 processor goes in the "pro" line except again the internal design is not optimal for cooling and throttling prevents reaching the full potential?
iMacs by design limits the "Pro" usage to fields that can work under its restrictions as it is still an all in one.
 
So the new imac with 8 core I9 processor goes in the "pro" line except again the internal design is not optimal for cooling and throttling prevents reaching the full potential?

The new BTO i9 iMac goes into the "iMac" category. Not the "iMac Pro" category.

1. Systems aren't 100% defined just by core count. The iMac case doesn't allow a top end CPU and a mid-top end (relatively) GPU at the same time. The iMac Pro does allow a high end dekstop CPU and GPU in the same case. For those who don't need a mid-top GPU the iMac works. For those who do then the iMac Pro is a better fit.

2. The I/O is different. While tagged at an i9 by Intel it isn't the same die as the higher end i9's share with the Xeon W. Fewer Thunderbolt bolts ( go along with the lower bandwidth). The memory is different.

3. "full potential" ... if that is suppose to be a reference to overclocking then neither iMac or iMac Pro has that as a major design point. Nor is "overclocking" in and of itself indicative of "pro".
 
Cascade lake is out. Here's the Anandtech rundown. No full review yet, just detailed specs.

Prices for each model are about the same as the Skylake versions, but slight core count and frequency bump. Of course the big thing is Optane memory though.
 
Are we expecting Apple to use Xeon-SP in the Mac Pro, or will they instead go with the Basin Falls refresh of the current W-Series in the iMac Pro?
 
I still occasionally use the sticky notes feature. Most of my other widgets have been discontinued or broke over the years. Was actually surprised it made it to Mojave.

I use the calculator pretty often, and weather
 
Are we expecting Apple to use Xeon-SP in the Mac Pro, or will they instead go with the Basin Falls refresh of the current W-Series in the iMac Pro?

some folks are pushing expectations that way. I don't see it. As noted in the post just prior to yours one of the principle differentiators of SP 2nd gen is Optane DIMMs and there is zero sign of that in macOS or sign of Apple being even remotely interested in such a thing in the past couple of years. A heft chunk of the folks pushing for dual sockets just want more DIMM slots (to fill with cheaper DIMMs instead of bleeding edge high density chip DIMMs. ). SP 2nd gen isn't about "more DIMMs" and W class can get to 8 DIMMs slots just as well.

The "core count is everything" folks.... AMD will have more. Especially if want a socket (as opposed to BGA; the new AP variants are BGA. ).


Stripped of Optane DIMMS and the "deep learning" inference opcode there isn't much 'new'. ( the end of the Anandtech article linked in the just prior post pretty much says as much. For the most part the value 'wrap around" stuff that Intel has for these is highly skewed toward the data center; not individual workstations. (all stage demos were rack units. )

I was a bit surprised to see Intel's OpenVino system requirements included macOS but that is only for CPU. [ conceptually the DL opcode could be enabled by OpenVino use but I'd expect that to match up to when the opcode transitions to the mainstream CPUs. ]
 
Up to 56 cores!!!! That must be one big chip..

Only in part because the fabrication process is the same as last years ( and basically the year before that).
It is basically two dies from the rest of the line up pushed into one big package. Pragmatically Intel is going to make/partner the board+package and OEMs will sprinkle some differentiation on top. The chips don't have a sales price because don't come separate and probably mostly only through Intel Select Solutions. (and the certified partners on those configs. )

The notion that Apple is going to be anywhere near there is a huge stretch.





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