Nothing wrong with that. We already have noiseless macs. What we don’t have a system that isn’t constrained by volume/noise/thermal/Ive considerations. So I’ll take a little noise in exchange, but that’s just my opinion, of course.
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These aren't Apple drawing so ranting at Apple being weird is largely lacking in evidence. Don't know what Apple did or didn't do.
What is also lacking is that Apple did much over that 5 year ago here; cylinder or not.
The "hotspot" in many of these workstation has moved from being the CPU to the being the GPU. The basic PCI/AGP add in card form factor was designed in an era when those cards generally ran in the 50-100W range; not the 300W range. For the primary fan for a 300W cooler to be both completely detached from the external input vents , to be placed 90 tangent to the nominal air flow , and then the ouput solely run through a narrow 1 slot wide outlet is goofy and mostly inefficient. It is primarily motivated by "form over function". It is broke but form dogma keeps the vast majority dedicate to hackery and Rube Goldberg solutions. Ship it and focus on race to the bottom economics.
"Broke" isn't necessarily measured by the point at which the spit, bailing wire and duct tape kludge to keep something going to gets so ridiculous that it completely falls apart.
I gotta wonder if the engineers and designers at Dell, HP and Lenovo are asking "WTF is wrong with Apple?"
WTF is wrong with Apple .... they have a better ROI, profit margin , and financial stability than us ... why would we want that. Apple isn't trying to complete toe-to-toe on every single system those folks do; only a subset. Where Apple isn't putting tons of effort, sure they are happy. Where Apple is putting most of their effort they are a major competitor.
( e.g., most of those folks spend lots of time trying to copy what Apple is doing high end, lightweight laptops. )
Is Apple's next Mac Pro going to make their respective workstation businesses collapse? Nope. But that is true whether builds a backwards looking tower or not. Even back in 2008-2010 era it wasn't making a huge dent. There is little to change that now.
There is more stuff floating around on Imgur...
On this one there is at least something to let out the steam. Looks cool but smells kinda fishy.
https://imgur.com/0gBONy7
On this one there is at least something to let out the steam. Looks cool but smells kinda fishy.
https://imgur.com/0gBONy7
Is Apple saying that? No. Even hinted at that? No. The iMac -> iMac Pro evolution adopted that dogma? No.
"It has to be one fan" is more of a poke the hornets nest requirement ( and ad/click views ) driver than something bubbling up out of Apple.
The thermal corner problem had a basic root cause in thermal coupling being too high. Apple said that was a problem. So how likely are they to continue on the high coupling path? Not very.
If Apple was deeply committed to the small literal desktop footprint Mac Pro there are some variations of a single fan with about two fans worth of CFM they could go with. But they already have a small literal footprint "Pro" Mac in the iMac Pro. So that question is also why would Apple be trying to overlap the iMac Pro as much as possible. Again, Apple hasn't made even a hint of trying to pursue that path.
But those also involved 3rd party coolers they had to integrate with. I think Apple should 'give' some ground there for optional additions, but there is a decent chance, at this point, given their even more extensive experience at embedded options via the rest of the Mac line up that they won't hand over cooling duties to everything.
[doublepost=1557862875][/doublepost]And let it be Wifi 6 compatible, please.
Probably contingent on just how late in the year it ships. ( I wouldn't be surprised if Apple drags their feet abit on Wifi 6 given the issues of being able to easily throw it back into WiFi 5 (or lower ) mode. ). Also a bit like 5G, where there are questions about where the base/backbone network is at (e.g., central routers moving fast here ? ). And to a lessor extent waiting on a "built explicitly for Wifi 6" chipset as opposed to a "updated with firmware" one.
We know Apple made a workstation in a cylinder... and how did that turn out?
Not well.
Notice how there wasn't a Cylinder Mark II... they couldn't even update Cylinder Mark I
My point was... Apple experimented with a new form-factor and 5 years later people are still waiting for them to correct that mistake. Let's hope they don't try another experiment.
There's a reason everyone else stuck to the standard tower... it works.
And that's the biggest part of a "work" station.
That was a listing not a graphic.
And as soon as i type that POOF. Another one lol
Wifi 6 routers have been on the market for over a year. 802.11ax requires a different chipset, not something you can obtain via a firmware update. WPA2 to WPA3 can be included in an update, not the chipset.
This is a render of a fake booklet...
With the plinth-style base, the only air intake is from the bottom front & sides perimeter. Looking at the rear of the chassis, we can see that the motherboard itself is on the left side, so that means any air coming up from that left side perimeter is restricted behind the motherboard tray. The plinth base also precludes any horizontally mounted (for vertical airflow) fans.
Another issue is the third PCIe slot, it will be interfering with the power plug immediately below. And there are no openings between the 'main' PCIe slot for each 'dual-slot' area. In short, PCIe cards too close together for proper ventilation between one card's PCB & the other's fans. Notice how all the new RTX/GTX & Radeon VII cards are now axial models, not blower? Modern GPUs need a little breathing room, and this mockup is not providing it.
Overall it looks like passive chimneys on the sides & a possible big-arse blower fan up top exhausting out the back...
This an pro workstation that does not need to be sitting on the desk or need to have lot's of EXT boxes.
It is an Apple product, so it is going to be compact enough for desktop use, for better visibility...
The cheesegrater was alright under the desk because it was raised off the floor a few inches & had front air intake...
Any bottom intake chassis that is on the floor is a stationary vacuum cleaner...
You would need an external graphics card. Not an elegant solution. And external storage drives. Lots of them.
So I did a little test between my 2012 mbp and 2009 hex mac pro in my signature when it came to encoding 5 minute video in FCPX.
My mbp's cpu reached 201 degrees with the fans blowing max speed while my mac pro only got up to 130ish.
I can't claim to know much about the new Mini's cooling abilities but I would not like that thing running full blast for any length of time.
Given that I think we can all agree the nMP in whatever form is going to be smaller than the cheesegraters, I'd expect it to be compact enough that it could sit on a desk as well as under. The HP Z4 is 60% the volume of the cheesegraters.
(minus vga) +
+ Apple magic (and a Radeon VII) is what I envision. Apple will pack as much power into as small a space possible.
(minus vga) +
+ Apple magic (and a Radeon VII) is what I envision. Apple will pack as much power into as small a space possible.
You should check out this thread over at the SFF Network Forums...!
Not a huge fan of the DAN A4, just too tightly packed. I would be hoping for something a bit larger, somewhere between the NCASE M1 mITX chassis (just under 13 liters) & the Chimera Industries Cerberus mATX chassis (18 liters)...
But I still think my hypothetical 7.7" cube ARM cluster would be cool...
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This is what Apple will do.
That Blackmagic eGPU is hideous, and it is ridiculously overpriced...
It is a Vega 56 GPU in a powered eGPU enclosure. The Vega 56 had a MSRP of 399 when released, and runs 100 bucks LESS now...
So that eGPU chassis is worth 900 bucks...? No thank you...
For that kind of cost (1200 bucks for the V56 model) Apple could have sold a matching footprint eGPU module to complement the Space Grey Mac mini, with a MXM GPU within...
Hey, throw a matching footprint storage solution module in the pile as well, a perfect (high-cost) prosumer Mac set-up...! ;^p
It's worth bearing in mind, with the now gathering pace of anti-competitive lawsuits Apple is going to be facing, starting with the current Appstore suit, that the entire edifice of Apple's profitability hinges on potentially legally-fragile vertical integration points. It's a Black-Swan-Fragile company.
They're a convicted anti-competitive colluder (iBooks publishing case) that's still under court-ordered business constraints, if the Appstore case goes through, that's a clear indicator of a pattern og behaviour on their part, and with blood in the water we could see all sorts of impositions - structural separation of apps, cloud services, OS and hardware, forced dogfooding so that Apple apps and services can only use the same publicly-available APIs & access that third party developers get, requirement for feature-by-feature drop-in replicability for Apple services.
The moment anything Apple makes is cut off from the vertical & horizontal integration crutch and forced to compete solely on its own merits, I suspect see very quickly that the sum is a lot less than the total of the parts.
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I was looking at Phanteks Evolv Shift to build a VR console - mini-itx 21 litres, AIO CPU & GPU liquid cooling.
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I was looking at Phanteks Evolv Shift to build a VR console - mini-itx 21 litres, AIO CPU & GPU liquid cooling.
Don't do it, horrible thermals, do a search over at the SFF Network forums & the [H] SFF sub-forum...
Yeah i wasn't sure if that was primarily due to people trying to aircool them - does the thermals matter as much when the cpu and gpu are getting their cooling from AIO liquid, which is pulling air in from outside the case, over the radiators? I more or less put everything off to see how the Valve Index headset plays out (from the looks of things, sweet as hell), and to see if Leap Motion do a frunk-compatible version of their hand tracker. Then, started pondering doing the build in a Pelican case, or one of Streacom's chassis.
So how about an informal poll; what, aside from GPUs, do you "professional" folks use PCIe slots for...?
Would two PCIe slots be enough, considering the following (hypothetical) I/O:
eight (8) TB3 / USB-C ports
two (2) 10Gb Ethernet ports
one (1) 3.5mm headphone jack
Yes, this would be pushing the TB3 & USB-C solution hard, but think of it like when Apple ditched floppies (and later optical drives) & just go with it...
And it seems like there are several quality TB3 / USB-C solutions for almost all audio, video, & storage needs (for that matter, the dual 10Gb Ethernet should easily handle network & NAS connections for a desktop workstation)...
So one PCIe slot is a given for a GPU, and a second for those wanting to run dual GPUs should be expected, but is there really a need for a third PCIe slot...?
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Yeah, it is not pretty...
I have seen air-cooled, I have seen AIO-cooled, I have seen a hybrid of both, I have seen panel hacking & full custom loops; all of it boiled down to a neat idea but not really viable...
Would two PCIe slots be enough, considering the following (hypothetical) I/O:
eight (8) TB3 / USB-C ports
two (2) 10Gb Ethernet ports
one (1) 3.5mm headphone jack
Yes, this would be pushing the TB3 & USB-C solution hard, but think of it like when Apple ditched floppies (and later optical drives) & just go with it...
And it seems like there are several quality TB3 / USB-C solutions for almost all audio, video, & storage needs (for that matter, the dual 10Gb Ethernet should easily handle network & NAS connections for a desktop workstation)...
So one PCIe slot is a given for a GPU, and a second for those wanting to run dual GPUs should be expected, but is there really a need for a third PCIe slot...?
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Yeah, it is not pretty...
I have seen air-cooled, I have seen AIO-cooled, I have seen a hybrid of both, I have seen panel hacking & full custom loops; all of it boiled down to a neat idea but not really viable...
This is what Apple will do.
I doubt even Apple will release something that's already have been released.
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Live / SDI / Uncompressed video capture is a big area where TB still isn't up to the task.
So do you feel that, with a top end GPU & the aforementioned I/O, more than two slots are needed (one for the GPU & one for the capture card) in a modern forward-thinking personal desktop workstation...?
Or might a capture box that uses two TB3 ports (I guess the ports would need to be on two separate controllers) be a viable solution, leaving the second PCIe slot open for a second GPU...?
I remember multihoming / aggregation has been mentioned several times as something TB can do, but I've never heard of anyone or anything using it.
Personally, I think the 3 slot leaks / fakes are a pretty good compromise, for example:
- displays GPU
- VR HMD-driving GPU
- SDI capture