I'm not saying airflow starting at the bottom is an issue per se - I'm not an engineer .
It just seems like all the bottom-y examples you have listed have either been a complete failure, or are limited by cooling at best .
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I'm not saying airflow starting at the bottom is an issue per se - I'm not an engineer .
It just seems like all the bottom-y examples you have listed have either been a complete failure, or are limited by cooling at best .
The mMP rumoured has vertical airflow like the trashcan, likely having two big fans on an open top or blowers taking hot air on top and moving it back, I believe it has open top because is quieter more compact and flexible (blowers are restricted in Max CFM and requires a bigger chasis)
But 90 degrees which way...? And are you implying there may be factory liquid cooling (including GPUs) in the Mac Pros again...?
The cube was all passive (no fans) the tcMP was the overrated Thermal core (one 30% biggerwill have never failed.)
Both GPU will be located at the frontal area in vertical position (keep tower FF), the liquid cooling is self implied since higher performance GPU are liquid cooled to enable top performance.
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.The fact remains that the Cube was a giant failure, the trashcan a big failure, and the Minis are Minis .
All of them hampered by cooling issues, all of them sucking air from the bottom .
Passive or not . ( is this getting out of hand ? ) .
A bottom to top air flow is obviously preferable, but in the majority of practical applications front to rear is all that's available .
I suspect adding a couple of tubes to a GPU is not how proper liquid cooling works .
that would be a totally normal time horizon for anything Apple makes - pretty much anything they do, is complete and locked down a year or so before release - then they have to release to manufacture and move to the next version of the product. In that time, all the tooling has to be made - moulds for any plastic castings - the machines that control dies to cold-form metal etc, packaging, marketing, on and on.
As I wrote in a message before, the 7.1 macpro will be presented at the end of 2019 and will be available first months of 2020.
Well lets hope the hardware inside isn't already old stock by then. It's a moving target.
by the way, who would bother to fake a mac pro design?
LOL! Ahahahha you're right... It will be the most powerful mac ever, but not the most powerful workstation in the world.
Back in 1994 when Sega was developing the ill-fated Project Mars aka 32X add-on, they used a similar cooling setup as the Cube and Trashcan.
I could easily see a mid-tower with vertical slots venting all the hot air out the top.
I'm not waiting until 2020
This has been way to long of a process to release a freakin computer 2019 means released in 2019 not presented at the end 2019 for 2020.The PCI-e standard "PCI legacy" card dimensions are about 5 inches in height. For those slots pictured you'd need 5+ inches of verticle cleareance to get the card out (or in ). For example the middle card there while the slots are fully populated; how does that card get out/in ?
You can rotate it 90 degrees so horizontal in the picture ( and when side cover comes off have far more than just 5+ inches of vertical clearance. However, at this point have up to 3 "flat" card tangential to the vertical air flow blocking the flow ( if main intakes are on the bottom ). On top of that have the blower on each card that manages to grab any of the air that does go vertical and blowing out of case before it can get to the upper half. ( This latter issue is probably still a problem even if have then oriented vertically from the bottom. The cards will attempt to turn the air flow 90s. )
I suspect some liquid cooling fanatics will jump in and say the GPU cards are all hooked to cooling and the heat is simply pumped to the radiators directly beneath the fan. Still haven't actually solved the blocked airflow issue. The cards a still a substantive impediment to getting reasonable CFM ( cubic feet per minute) to the radiate. Liquid is just a "ballon squeeze" in that case ( just shuffling the deck chairs.) .
For those dimensions, 3 double wide slots don't make much sense. Even "front to back" has likely issues at he GPU cards about 9-10" long and the case is only 11". Don't really have much space to put a "blower" to feed the cards in a 'front to back' set up either.
Finally a relatively large power supply would probably negate putting sockets on near the Power Plug in this set up. [ I realize this is simply 'cut & paste' from Mac Pro 2013 model. ( doesn't have ridiculous 8 Thunderbolt ports ). ] A subset of the "blocked" clearance issues here also as to where , even if 'hang' the PS bulk in the middle volume (like MP 2013), what are the clearances from the main logic board below.
P.S. Front to back would easier if used conventional inlets. However, if Apple wanted to continue on the literal desktop 'fever' then could just have two slots. One vertical more toward the middle that doesn't have an outside edge ( video is feed to Thunderbolt and I/O panel ). Another toward the back edge and some cubby hole or door facing up so connections can come "up , out and toward the back". That could be blocked off into a separate thermal zone with air input slots actually over the standard location folks tend to put the fans on GPU cards ( Imagine that actually putting air inlets next to the fan input . .... instead of hiding them 90 tangental to the air flow. ) .
Main thermal area would get inflow from bottom and the random non Apple card thermal zone would get its from the back. Hence decoupled.
Apple GPU hooked to vertical exit fan one and CPU hooked to vertical fan exit two. Again decoupled.
Instead of a clustered "box" of inputs sockets spread them out linearly along the back closer to the rounded corner. The main logic board could be a another thermal zone definer for the I/O chips ( along the "bottom" board whereas the x16 slot is on top. ). Could put a small MBP fan at the top of this "under the board" thermal zone so can pull the 10GbE and Thunderbolt heat out. (only need about 1-2" for that exhaust port so a 1-2" gap between bottom of logic board is probably in zone ( PCI-e card height ~5" + 2" = 7" so have that to work with. )
Probably would need to put the power supply ( or at least the outlet ) toward the bottom back side.
If made the "box" deeper instead of square with height the perhaps add another custom Apple vertical slot ( less double wide because doing liquid-radiators to cut down on need for "double wide" and pack two and have yet another vertical exit fan for the additional "compute GPU" slot.
People..
There's a reason that fake graphic didn't show any external ports.
It's because the person that photoshopped it didn't know what ports it would have.
So..It's FAKE..HELLO ?
There's a reason that fake graphic didn't show any external ports.
It's because the person that photoshopped it didn't know what ports it would have.
So..It's FAKE..HELLO ?
countdown to overheating failures, because on top of the machine is where everyone will keep external devices, in 3, 2, 1...
Relatively simple solution would be to put them underneath. ( put the this model on a stand with some ground clearance and rest the drives on the desktop. ). There are more than several PC cases with vertical fans for the blowers for radiators.
The box footprint and height is somewhat compact so there both vertical and more desktop footprint available than the old Mac Pro if stuffing onto a desktop. If not putting it on the desktop , e.g. desk-side, then probably would want to lift it up off the floor anyway. The thing doing the lifting could be the space.
If Apple (or some 3rd party) did a storage pedestal the drives could be build into the stand. If there was a connector on top of pedastal and on the bottom of the system then "snap on" storage and a taller ( perhaps 3=4" inches system. ( e.g. screw off bottom plate and place on top. Power & SATA connectors and add vents to replace default ones took off to add the "lift". )
Would have Mac Pro "short" and Mac Pro "Taller" with basically the same core system. That would be a bit more expensive than a simple metal stand, but neither one would necessarily be super expensive.
The proposed ideas in these renders are getting ridiculous.
What was wrong with the standard tower design that has been popular for decades? Reminds me of the saying "If it ain't broken..."
For a while... everyone, including Apple, made towers that accepted standard PCIe cards. But only Apple got all weird and tried to make a workstation in a cylinder.
And while Apple was experimenting with cylinders... everyone else continued selling the standard tower workstation. Notice how those other companies didn't have a 5-year gap in their products... weird, huh.
I gotta wonder if the engineers and designers at Dell, HP and Lenovo are asking "WTF is wrong with Apple?"
What was wrong with the standard tower design that has been popular for decades? Reminds me of the saying "If it ain't broken..."
For a while... everyone, including Apple, made towers that accepted standard PCIe cards. But only Apple got all weird and tried to make a workstation in a cylinder.
And while Apple was experimenting with cylinders... everyone else continued selling the standard tower workstation. Notice how those other companies didn't have a 5-year gap in their products... weird, huh.
I gotta wonder if the engineers and designers at Dell, HP and Lenovo are asking "WTF is wrong with Apple?"
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Errr.... go back to the original picture with the listing of 6-10 ports caption beside the visual. ( Not the derivatives but the first one that Appleinsider and others a giving visibly to )
Why does it have to be a one fan system? I think we may see Apple going back to at least two. Perhaps ensuring a higher TDP at lower noise levels. After all, they have already a good experience in cooling different compartments as in the G4, G5 and (sigh) cMP.
[doublepost=1557862875][/doublepost]And let it be Wifi 6 compatible, please.
[doublepost=1557862875][/doublepost]And let it be Wifi 6 compatible, please.