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I just want my 8" cube ARM cluster modular Mac Pro (sixteen A13X Bionic APUs / 256GB RAM / 8TB SSD), with a 6K3K Apple Cinema Display, & the big surprise is a Space Grey Apple-branded back-lit mechanical keyboard...!

That sounds even more unlikely than Apple making a surprise Mac Pro announcement tomorrow.
 
I just want my 8" cube ARM cluster modular Mac Pro (sixteen A13X Bionic APUs / 256GB RAM / 8TB SSD), with a 6K3K Apple Cinema Display, & the big surprise is a Space Grey Apple-branded back-lit mechanical keyboard...!

Oh please!
Are you starting now with Macs?

Don't you have any investment in current software? Don't you need any vm? bootcamp?

There are so many useful things that will be lost if going to ARM, which is the so important reason? Just a change and a new thing?
 
Meanwhile another "plausible" leak suggested the upcoming 6K display to be a mere extra-wide version on the current iMac 5K display, so about ~6400 x 2880 same height same dpi just wider, maybe curved too, a thing it's sure will be bezel less and in glorious space black. TB3 interface STD. Pin this "plausible" leak please
[doublepost=1557761767][/doublepost]Not plausible upcoming mMP:

  • No Switch to arm (at least not yet)
  • No Multiple CPU sockets
  • No internal sata devices (neither spinners nor SSD)
  • No NeXTcube neither space gray cheese grater (while it would look very cool)
  • No TB4
  • No stacked Mac mini like GPU & CPU modules
  • No reliance on eGPU concept either TB3 or custom
Those whose disagree don't belong this thread, period.
 
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It seems to me that during the lengthy r&d phase of the new MP, it could have easily been outdated at least a couple times along this looong way, no? Unless they have always been targeting some way off future chip releases. Or maybe it is just an afterthought of an idea that they really don't want to do but feel obligated somehow so one day they may finally get to it. I'm going with that one.
 
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Meanwhile another "plausible" leak suggested the upcoming 6K display to be a mere extra-wide version on the current iMac 5K display, so about ~6400 x 2880 same height same dpi just wider, maybe curved too, a thing it's sure will be bezel less and in glorious space black. TB3 interface STD. Pin this "plausible" leak please
[doublepost=1557761767][/doublepost]Not plausible upcoming mMP:

  • No Switch to arm (at least not yet)
  • No Multiple CPU sockets
  • No internal sata devices (neither spinners nor SSD)
  • No NeXTcube neither space gray cheese grater (while it would look very cool)
  • No TB4
  • No stacked Mac mini like GPU & CPU modules
  • No reliance on eGPU concept either TB3 or custom
Those whose disagree don't belong this thread, period.


Oh! Are you the enforcer?

But to your point, I think the biggest implausibility is:

• I'll be able to afford it.
 
It won’t be curved. That would be stupid.
After seeing Jony Ive introducing by 15 minutes using his polite British English , event you'll kill to get one (as usual).

IMHO curved ultra wide displays are excellent for workstation/gamers not the same for presentations or showing a movie in the middle of de room, It depends on the usage you'll give it.
 
After seeing Jony Ive introducing by 15 minutes using his polite British English , event you'll kill to get one (as usual).

IMHO curved ultra wide displays are excellent for workstation/gamers not the same for presentations or showing a movie in the middle of de room, It depends on the usage you'll give it.

Curved displays are a niche' product. I think Apple probably wants to sell as many as they can.
Especially given the rumored type of display.
 
My favorite latest mMP "leak" is the evolved cheese grater, turned 90deg for vertical airflow and with STD (or quasi STD) GPU in vertical, it offers flexibility like no other, specially if it includes at least one STD PCIE slot for peripherals as FPGAs, TPUs or capture cards.

But an evolved 1000W trash can also is possible, with double volume and triple TDP and independent cooling for CPU and GPU and user upgradeable GPU (purchasing it from apple or authorized VAR) it's very possible too, indistinguishable from the tcMP unless you put it side by side, won't make happy everybody but at least will be powerful and won't melt on lengthy renderings etc.
 
I think that curved is not a good option for anything about cad, page layout, photos, drawing, etc because of the obvious distortion, more difficult to evaluate several things.
I really do not think that they will ever release a display like this.
 
I think that curved is not a good option for anything about cad, page layout, photos, drawing, etc because of the obvious distortion, more difficult to evaluate several things.
In many ways the curved screen has less distortion.

With a large flat screen, the edges are further from your eyes, and you see the left and right edges at more of an angle. So, they're dimmer because of the higher viewing angle, and smaller because they are more distant.

Notice that multi-monitor setups are frequently tilted to approximate a curved screen.

p1030818[1].jpg
 
I think that curved is not a good option for anything about cad, page layout, photos, drawing, etc because of the obvious distortion, more difficult to evaluate several things.
I really do not think that they will ever release a display like this.

It is the other way around. Historical form over function is the momentum for flat.

https://www.viewsonic.com/library/entertainment/monitor-curvature-explained

Human eyes and lens have a curve to them. Matching that curve is a better fit for single stationary user. If talking about multiple people sharing a screen where most of the viewers are off center then, yes.

As for Apple going this route, that isn't likely any time soon. As long as their basic reference for a monitor is firmly grounded in being just a "hollowed out a bit" iMac they won't. The curved monitor has a disconnect with a relatively large , flat logic board (at least holding to the "thin edge" conceptualization they attached to the iMac. The back of an iMac is curved, but that isn't the curve the screen should be at. ) . Also the zero height adjustment is limited in design being driven by where the eyeballs actually are.

The other issue is that Apple has been using non-mainstream screens for the desktop. So that adds to costs. Throwing curve on top of that would be additional (e.g. curved high end backlight. Or trying to curve microLED when simply just play microLED is "hard enough". )
 
With an big enough tcMP it's possible to have 2x 350W GPU + 250W CPU (Xeon-W or Epyc) all with independent cooling solutions and room for a half length PCIE slot keeping the single fan on top and just about 50-67% bigger Radii than the L13 tcMP...

Of course this it's just an apologetic excersise, I really hope the mMP to be something close to the cheese grater.
 
I described the foot print in an earlier reply. Imagine something the size of 4 Mac Mini’s stacked to the height of the 2013 Mac Pro. That is four separate squares stacked to the height of the Mac Pro. That’s why I keep using the NextCube design.

The NeXT Cube is more so a horizontal stack ( enclosed in a case) than a vertical one. It also wasn't all that popular or effective use of literal desktop space.

This whole "stacking" thing does really scale well in the 350-500W range. It is marginal for a relatively low power consuming mini but once have to cover a range with either a much larger diameter fan and/or multiple ones it gets awkward keeping multiple dimensions "squarish".


That’s a lot of space to accommodate powerful Xeon based processors and high end graphics. A single Mac Mini is not that small, imagine four of them in a square. That’s a lot of space for components to support an appropriate thermal environment with other components.

The Mini turns the airflow 90 degrees which isn't maximizing for efficiency. The power supply is gong to grow in volume. The fans will grow in volume. If looking to top out the video card around the 250-300W range it isn't really enough volume for relative low speed airflow but still high enough cubic feet per minute. ( If try to cover two , 500-600W it isn't even close. )


The Cheese Grater Mac Pro was necessary for its time because that was an era of mechanical disks and optical disc drives and extremely hot processors. None of those are gonna be in the new Mac Pro. That in itself would cut out 25% of the tower Mac Pro.

"extremely hot processors' didn't go away. The roles flipped a bit. Instead of CPU > GPU, it is now GPU > CPU.

Optical is extremely likely toast, but Apple has their head in the sand about cost effective $/GB SSDs. SSDs and faster is a trend, but SATA 2.5" SSD at way lower $/GB than what Apple chargers is a trend they'll miss. Apple could go just M.2 for additional drives, but max optional capacity is an issue. ( iMac Pro has two daughter NAND cards.... that's isn't really enough for a broader range of workloads.).


With DDR4 RAM, you will likely be able to get 64 to 128 GBs sticks, so if you want to fill this up with 512 to 1 TB RAM,

Xeon W is likely to cap out at 512GB. Even the W-3175X part that Intel brought "down" from SP land caps out at 512GB. Apple doesn't need 128GB sticks as much as support for 8 DIMM slots ( which still gets to 512GB with 64's ). [ and again 4 more DIMM slots is more volume that Mini sized augments really isn't enabling all that well. ]

it won’t require two sets of RAM trays.

Depends. The user space that want to throw 128-256GB of RAM at a RAMdisk and use another 64-128GB at "memory" pretty much are going to want dual DIMMs per controller.

Once up in the 64-128GB range of DIMMs, you not really in the "unbuffered" range anymore. And 8 DIMMs would be something that the iMac Pro 'doesn't do' ; which increases their differentiation. [ The whole "choose Mini based constraints" thing is largely going to drag the new Mac Pro back into an overlapping space with the iMac Pro. It doesn't make much sense. ]


The same goes for storage, in a profile like what I’m suggesting, I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple announces you could configure this with anywhere between 16 to 24 TBs of internal SSD storage.

"bulk" SSD via 2.5" SSDs is probably going to be more effective than through 3-4 M.2 . Cost wise. Also


Our concern has been what it will look like, it’s just a logical common sense design. I sense because we assume Pro with being a big honking tower, the failure of the 2013 MP and the idea of something looking like the mini would be another disaster.

"Too much Mini" has a high likelihood of constraining it to be too much like the iMac Pro. ( or worse).

One of the failures ( "thermal corner") of the MP 2013 was too tightly coupling the thermal solutions. The solution to that is more "space' between the two (or three) primary heat sources so they are decoupled. They may end up not being "off the shelf" thermal systems, but they will probably not to be decoupled in other not to get back into the same situation that proved problematical before.


Don’t get me wrong, it’s gonna be a bigger computer, it just not need to be enormously huge to deliver yearly upgrades without going back to the drawing board.

1. Is Apple really going to commit to yearly upgrades? ( That would be a good way of showing sustained, continued commitment, but is Apple really going to do that relatively high (for them) frequency ? ). Smaller doesn't necessary mean "faster updates". (e.g., the Mini over last 9 years. )


2. "High throughput" is more than just about GPUs. There are high end SAN/NAS cards ( even more so if Apple sticks with a small number of internal storage devices. ). 8K capture. "Princess and the pea" low latency capture/processing. etc. There is substantive utlity that comes from having even just one empty highly diverse slot. It would be kind of a unknown parameter which drives volume up to handle the possible alternatives. ( so bigger volume ) but Apple's long term tech crystal ball doesn't have to be 100% correct for the baseline design to survive over 10 years.
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https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/05/13/mac-pro-slide-leak/
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[doublepost=1557777284][/doublepost]Not the one pointed out by the "plausible" leaks I posted thus weekend

The real question mounting is way are any of the rumor sites taking this even seriously. At best this is a contrived Sock puppet of a "leak". It is off on 6-7 of the specs listed. Besides T2 and Bluetooth almost all of it looks off .
 
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Meanwhile another "plausible" leak suggested the upcoming 6K display to be a mere extra-wide version on the current iMac 5K display, so about ~6400 x 2880 same height same dpi just wider, maybe curved too, a thing it's sure will be bezel less and in glorious space black. TB3 interface STD. Pin this "plausible" leak please
[doublepost=1557761767][/doublepost]Not plausible upcoming mMP:

  • No Switch to arm (at least not yet)
  • No Multiple CPU sockets
  • No internal sata devices (neither spinners nor SSD)
  • No NeXTcube neither space gray cheese grater (while it would look very cool)
  • No TB4
  • No stacked Mac mini like GPU & CPU modules
  • No reliance on eGPU concept either TB3 or custom
Those whose disagree don't belong this thread, period.

It has some negative reviews but something similar to a

LG 34WK95U-W 34inch UltraWide 5K2K WUHD Nano IPS LED Monitor
 
The real question mounting is way are any of the rumor sites taking this even seriously. At best this is a contrived Sock puppet of a "leak". It is off on 6-7 of the specs listed. Besides T2 and Bluetooth almost all of it looks off .
Simple; web traffic, click bait, mainstream sites are hungry in anything (literally anything even fake news) about the mMP., Hopefully we are 3 weeks away to be disappointed again.
 
It has some negative reviews but something similar to a

LG 34WK95U-W 34inch UltraWide 5K2K WUHD Nano IPS LED Monitor

Similar is “ultra wide” but that ‘5K’ is smaller than Apple’s 5K

6K3K-vs-other-resolutions-1.jpg

https://9to5mac.com/2019/02/20/apple-6k-display-ultra-wide-video/


The ‘2K’ is partially a move to put the bandwidth under one DPv1.2 connection ( or HDMI ) . Where the ‘3K” is in part a move to keep it under two DP v1.2 connections .

If push that black 4K box up into upper right corner can see how much timeline and palette space would have . 4K ( and ‘undoubted’ 8K ) video can run and have lots of tool space .


Shouldn’t require a new Mac Pro to drive this . The iMac Pro could ( with some software/firmware update ). Actually everything on the 5K supported list conceptually could
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207448

Not with ease , but at least drive for mainly 2D workload.
 
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