https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/31/18646982/wwdc-2019-apple-mac-pro-new-updates
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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I put this together real quick ; it's not exactly what you described, but covers all the basic requirements .
Sorry for the rush job .
It’s not innovative, or courageous, or eight times smaller than previous generation. Who cares if it gets the job done.
Not certain about this one. There will always be folks who want the maximum number of cores at the maximum frequency; dual sockets is the way to achieve this. Not everyone has the infrastructure for a render farm, and some folks can't or won't send their data offsite.
To design one box to catch as many folks as possible, they should offer dual socket configurations. Seriously, it's gonna be a Z6 with a thermal core (something has to be taking this long to finish), baseline Thunderbolt, wifi, & bluetooth in an interesting, compact enclosure.
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A 2-socket Epyc motherboard costs 500-600 euro.
You can get a 2-socket 24-core Epyc CPU for 2000 euro.
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The only thing we can say for the next three days is don’t buy any computer hardware this weekend because next week news will help you make decisions.
Watch out. Some "experts" on this forum told me a few months ago that I was out of my mind when I said the mMP should have been PCI-e 4 compatible. Now there is people wishing for v5
The Accidental Tech Podcast was discussing the 2019 Mac Pro on their latest episode yesterday and they talked about whether or not it would be dual-CPU capable. The consensus was that it would not since high-core single CPUs are effective enough for the significant majority of what users would be expected to do with it.
I do not know if you can do CPU/RAM trays with modern systems like the Cheesegrater had due to the interconnect speeds and such, but if you can, then that could conceivably be an option: single CPU systems with 3000 Series W Xeons and then dual CPU systems with (the significantly more expensive) Xeon SP Gold and Platinum models.
Or if you start working on them and things look better as art. i took the liberty of using your artwork to run up a few T-shirts for Mondays big event. I should have had just 1 demo made. The artwork looked 1000 times better.
Anyone wanna buy 20,000 printed, boxed t-shirts?
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You should have had one that says 'What is dead may never die'.
One thing I haven't heard people chatting about in this thread is thoughts on the new Mac Pro display.
And I was wondering if the new display would be a HDR - I can imagine a retina OLED screen being mega expensive, otherwise I hear micro LED is a another technology for HDR screens.
I can imagine that being very helpful for editors / motion graphic designers being able to view content in HDR. But would the system need to have special graphics cards to do that? Most graphics cards are 8bit right, and nvidia only support 10bit in quarto range, and AMD have 10bit in Radeon Pro graphics. is 10bit enough for HDR video?
Personally I've love it if apple made a complete solution to making & viewing HDR content
And I was wondering if the new display would be a HDR - I can imagine a retina OLED screen being mega expensive, otherwise I hear micro LED is a another technology for HDR screens.
I can imagine that being very helpful for editors / motion graphic designers being able to view content in HDR. But would the system need to have special graphics cards to do that? Most graphics cards are 8bit right, and nvidia only support 10bit in quarto range, and AMD have 10bit in Radeon Pro graphics. is 10bit enough for HDR video?
Personally I've love it if apple made a complete solution to making & viewing HDR content
Not exactly, at least some GTX Models can do that as well (even unter macOS!).
Apple supporting both Intel and AMD products simultaneously - not. Unless AMD has the right components to support Apple's laptop line - TDP requirements for shipping processors make that problematic - I can't see how the juice is worth the squeeze.
It also appears that Intel, late though they may be, does have Xeon-W series CPUs appropriate for the mMP that are supposed to be available in time for an end of the year ship date. Moreover, if shipping a mMP in 2019 is really the plan, I'd expect Apple and Intel already have a deal in place.
IMO, the case for dual sockets is fundamentally flawed for reasons already noted in this forum. I find it particularly hard to imagine Apple making a mMP capable of hosting dual procs for size, cost, cooling, etc reasons. Most of us would be happy just to see them properly support a legit single CPU implementation with enough left in the TDP budget for kick ass GPUs.
It also appears that Intel, late though they may be, does have Xeon-W series CPUs appropriate for the mMP that are supposed to be available in time for an end of the year ship date. Moreover, if shipping a mMP in 2019 is really the plan, I'd expect Apple and Intel already have a deal in place.
IMO, the case for dual sockets is fundamentally flawed for reasons already noted in this forum. I find it particularly hard to imagine Apple making a mMP capable of hosting dual procs for size, cost, cooling, etc reasons. Most of us would be happy just to see them properly support a legit single CPU implementation with enough left in the TDP budget for kick ass GPUs.
The current rumors are:
31.6 inch ultrawide
6240x2880 resolution @ 218ppi (same PPI as iMac 5K)
Mini-LED backlighting
HDR
What changed my mind completely on the dual-CPU possibility (I now think it's extremely unlikely) is the emergence of big-socket, >18-core Xeon-W chips. Until a few months ago, there were none at all, then we got the one-off Xeon-W 3175, now we have a decent line of them that are perfect for the Mac Pro. Before those chips, anything more capable than the iMac Pro (18 cores) meant Xeon-SP and you automatically got multi-processor capability when you bought Xeon-SP (at enormous expense). Schiller had said "the fastest, most powerful Mac ever", which didn't mean "the iMac Pro in a new case", so it had to be SP, didn't it?
Now, we have medium-socket Xeon-W for the iMac Pro and big-socket Xeon-W for the Mac Pro. The big-socket Xeon-W chips are literally 1/3 the price of their Xeon-SP relatives, and they're clocked a little faster, too - but they aren't multiprocessor capable. Intel doesn't make dual-socket chips that Apple would want (the few dual-socket Xeon-SPs are slow chips with modest core counts) - they make the single-socket Xeon-W line, then jump to 8 socket chips in the Xeon-SP line at 3x the price and up to $10,000 per chip. The price difference is so great that two single-socket Mac Pros with $3000 chips are probably much cheaper than one Mac Pro with dual $10,000 chips. If anyone can do easy to use clustering, Apple can - and it eliminates power supply problems with two high-power CPUs and multiple GPUs trying to run off a single 20 amp circuit.
We're very unlikely to see NVidia graphics and/or AMD CPUs, for the simple reason that Apple doesn't want to rewrite significant bits of MacOS for one slow-selling Mac. The entire workstation market is about 5 million machines a year (according to Statista - not sure exactly what's a workstation, but the Mac Pro certainly is - the iMac Pro may be as well). Apple sells about 20 million Macs per year... Even if they managed to grab 20% of the whole market, it would still be a million machines a year and only one Mac in twenty. They aren't going to write a whole new video driver or reoptimize the kernel for that...
Now, we have medium-socket Xeon-W for the iMac Pro and big-socket Xeon-W for the Mac Pro. The big-socket Xeon-W chips are literally 1/3 the price of their Xeon-SP relatives, and they're clocked a little faster, too - but they aren't multiprocessor capable. Intel doesn't make dual-socket chips that Apple would want (the few dual-socket Xeon-SPs are slow chips with modest core counts) - they make the single-socket Xeon-W line, then jump to 8 socket chips in the Xeon-SP line at 3x the price and up to $10,000 per chip. The price difference is so great that two single-socket Mac Pros with $3000 chips are probably much cheaper than one Mac Pro with dual $10,000 chips. If anyone can do easy to use clustering, Apple can - and it eliminates power supply problems with two high-power CPUs and multiple GPUs trying to run off a single 20 amp circuit.
We're very unlikely to see NVidia graphics and/or AMD CPUs, for the simple reason that Apple doesn't want to rewrite significant bits of MacOS for one slow-selling Mac. The entire workstation market is about 5 million machines a year (according to Statista - not sure exactly what's a workstation, but the Mac Pro certainly is - the iMac Pro may be as well). Apple sells about 20 million Macs per year... Even if they managed to grab 20% of the whole market, it would still be a million machines a year and only one Mac in twenty. They aren't going to write a whole new video driver or reoptimize the kernel for that...
you guys are really getting your hopes up . . I think you would be well advised to temper expectations..
Are you referring to the product that Apple comes up with, or to whether or not they feature it at WWDC? (Or both?)
Thats just ridiculous. I want a computer, not a motherboard. And of course Apple wont just release a motherboard. Not sure which planet you are from.
Understood. I'm largely afraid that the news next week is going to be "No News".
FWIW, another item that I don't think has been kicked around this past week has been the possibility of OSX evolving into a very user-friendly "cluster" approach which Pros might like, as this notionally could be an approach which could allow Apple to try to sidestep the costs of offering a dual-CPU system in addition to a single-CPU one.