No it wouldn't - if someone wanted an iMac, they would get one.
I am NOT buying an iMac - if someone gave me a brand new one, I would ebay it.
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No it wouldn't - if someone wanted an iMac, they would get one.
I am NOT buying an iMac - if someone gave me a brand new one, I would ebay it.
It can't do what I do (3d Art)
One detail that got announced today:
Traditional drivers are going away in favor of a new driver architecture. I haven't seen anything about GPU drivers in the new driver architecture.
Seems like retail GPU drivers might not be a thing any more.
Nvidia has been mentioned in passing through with Metal as a supported platform. So maybe that's a good sign, even though they probably mean older Macs.
Apple could bundle the drivers like they do with AMD. But I think downloaded GPU drivers are done.
Yeah, I saw that at the State of the Union, but I'm not holding my breath at this point. But it's a possible promising sign.
Also promising is the fact that Apple has gotten such vendor support from jump. Promise is even making two and four-bay RAID options using the MPX module setup. I really hope Apple made the specs available so that it's possible we could get beefy GPUs that don't require additional power connectors, but I feel like that's a long shot with PC makers actually caring about a more elegant solution and Apple wanting to give any power or potential competitive edge.
This would be amazing, they can be programmed for anything (do that have to programmed on the chip itself) or can it be done in software?
Look at that proprietary connector - 475 watt power delivery to go with the 75 watts through the standard PCIe connector.
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Doesn't Apple block any compiled NVidia drivers anyways? The RTX 4000 is supposedly more powerful than what AMD can offer here. Though I'm not sure if that's for a single dual GPU unit or a dual, dual GPU unit. Either way, I thought it was rather amusing when they said "world's most powerful graphics cards" when anyone knows that's not true. It also runs hotter than the competition.
Ryzen 3000, future TR3 and Epyc are going to be great compared to Intel, but the reality is that 7 nm Navi is going to be another **** show. Though if you work for a large org and are already deep into Z machines or whatever, I can't imagine dumping everything to go back to Apple.
Ryzen 3000, future TR3 and Epyc are going to be great compared to Intel, but the reality is that 7 nm Navi is going to be another **** show. Though if you work for a large org and are already deep into Z machines or whatever, I can't imagine dumping everything to go back to Apple.
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Another interesting bit: It was announced today that with Infinity Fabric, an app on the Mac Pro can optionally treat all the GPUs as a single GPU. Metal has a new feature to do that. That gives the Mac Pro a bit of an edge over any possible new Nvidia GPU, although the cost of that Mac Pro is going to be higher.
But technically that would make Apple right. The dual GPU card would be the fastest GPU available, assuming you have an app that treats it as a single GPU.
The AMD ProRender engine has been able to do that for a while now - and it doesn't care if you are team green or team red. Or both.
My Apple fanboyism spans two centuries, but for that base $5999, I can build a much more powerful all-AMD system & have a massive 5120x1440 49" display...
Looks like its Hackintosh time...
[doublepost=1559623144][/doublepost]Apple really shitte all over the non-mega rich prosumers out there...
What we really need now is a solid xMac offering...!
Looks like its Hackintosh time...
[doublepost=1559623144][/doublepost]Apple really shitte all over the non-mega rich prosumers out there...
What we really need now is a solid xMac offering...!
The stats actually say
Apple (emphasis added) said:
That to me reads like each MPX slot can have dual 8 pins, and that the 8 pin visible at the tip is an additional power feed for the other slots.
PPC to intel an Intel to ARM is apples to oranges. Virtualization depends on Intel native tech do be near real time or you end up with a slow, solution like the pre intel days.
I'd love to know where he's going to get a $8,000 Rome processor for a fraction of $5,000 and a monitor that supports as many color spaces and is appropriate for grading. To point out, Apple isn't even paying full price for these Xeons. They're probably getting a huge discount. Maybe 40% off per unit or more.
I was speaking to one of the techs at work and he said when you think a current client monitor for colour grading from Sony is currently $20,000 Australian, a highly specced (we don't know the pricing yet) and one of the new Apple monitors look like a pretty good deal for colour correcting. One of the downsides of the new monitors is they are only Thunderbolt in, no SDI or anything else which you would currently use for a colour correcting monitor. I thought that wa s good point, they've sort of forced you into getting a new Mac Pro just to use the new monitor
Way to snip my post to alter my meaning...
I am obviously not comparing "an all-AMD system" to a loaded Mac Pro...
But for the BASE Mac Pro, that 6 grand can go a lot further than the specs Apple provides...
/rolleyes all you want, but it is true...
Six grand can buy a whole lot of Hackintosh Powah...!
2950WX 16C/32T Threadripper CPU
128GB ECC DDR4 RAM (4 @ 32GB 2933MHz DIMMS)
6TB M.2 NVMe SSD (three @ 2TB 2280 M.2 NVMe SSDs)
Radeon VII GPU with 16GB HBM2 frame buffer
1.3kW Platinum rated ATX PSU
Delivered from Newegg (including chassis & cooling systems not listed) is a hair over $5K...
So yeah, I can build a way more powerful Hackintosh for less than the base modular Mac Pro...!
I was talking about the cost of a BASE Mac Pro ($6K) & what that would get me as a Hackintosh...
It is obvious one will not find a consumer monitor with those specs...
But if you look at my spec list above, you will see a MUCH more powerful system than Apple can provide for the same amount of money...
Double the core & thread count
Quadruple the RAM (and faster than the base 2666MHz RAM)
24 times the SSD storage
way, Way, WAY more powerful GPU (with a much larger & faster frame buffer)
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The cost might be reasonable, all things considered. A HP Z4 similarly spec'd ( as similar as possible ) runs about 5500 ish. The monitor by some accounting might be a value, I'm not in a position to judge it, ( the stand is a bit absurd though ).
What worries me is that this is a new product now, not an iteration, and given Apple's history as of late, I'm concerned about potential defects and design flaws that might appear after people start putting some time on them.
For this investment, I want a bit of a track record, and maybe an iteration or two on the books. HP, DELL and other vendors have that. The original cheesegrater had that for 3.1, 4.1, 5.1. But Apple lost it after that.
Could have been a lot lot worse though.
What worries me is that this is a new product now, not an iteration, and given Apple's history as of late, I'm concerned about potential defects and design flaws that might appear after people start putting some time on them.
For this investment, I want a bit of a track record, and maybe an iteration or two on the books. HP, DELL and other vendors have that. The original cheesegrater had that for 3.1, 4.1, 5.1. But Apple lost it after that.
Could have been a lot lot worse though.
You can add a four HDD RAID array in a MPX slot...
You can add two HDDs in the top right quadrant, where the two SATA connectors are...
See this page for more details...
So with both of these items IN the Mac Pro, & a maxed out T2 SSD system, one can have up to 52TB of assorted storage in the Mac Pro...!
This new Mac Pro is no use for Parmesan, I guess it's Cheddar from now on. Statins on stand by.
The funny thing with the new display is that the old was sold for ~1000, now you can only buy the stand at this price, the display comes @ 5000 extra...
Yeah I know that. But the internal T2 SSD storage the system is coming with... That is what I wonder, if you can buy the 256GB model and change that for a 1TB/2TB SSD yourself.
After letting it all sink in, I have to admit I'm now actually very impressed with the new design .
Not only didn't I expect a WWDC announcment, I had almost zero hope of Apple having the vision to release an MP that appears to be a worthy cMP successor and highly modular .
Kudos to Apple, I didn't believe they had it in them .
I'm quite excited about the amount of PCIe slots and what looks like a bunch of internal connectors (purpose tbd ) .
Still not crazy about the design of the feet and handles, but check out the detail shots on the Apple website, this is some well put together computing device, to say the least .
Remaining questions there are many .
- The internal SATA and aux power connectors - there seem to be two each (?), how usable/compatible will those be with existing extension cards and whatnot .
How cool would it be if you could throw in a couple of SATA SSDs or even 2.5" spinners . I'm sure they are jumping up and down over at OWC , imagining all sorts of bits they want to stick in there .
- Same with the PCIe slots - can we pop in just any old USB card and such .
- GPU support/compatibility beyond the stock options .
- Storage sticks - what are those things ? Will M2/SATA SSDs on PCIe adapters be properly supported .
- Pricing of upgrades and the new modules .
Negatives :
- The price . 6k entry is just too much . This new design doesn't look like it will be or needs to be significantly updated anytime soon ; Apple should have eaten more of the R&D costsand profits short term, or whatever else they could have done to keep the base price lower, to try and get as many of those new MPs out of the door as possible .
Consolidating and increasing the user base in that segment should have been a priority .
I suspect they attempt to protect the iMac Pro and adjusted the MP pricing accordingly .
Many users may see it differently, but I think a significant amount of costumers are not cross-shopping all-in-ones and towers .
- Compatibility - see questions above . A lot depends on the actual expandability once this thing hits the road .
Costs and usability can vary quite a bit here .
- OSX - Always an issue with Macs; I know some posters like to make fun of it, but support of legacy apps and hardware can be a big deal for a bunch of users, small and mid sized outfits in particular .
New Mac, mandatory new OS, it's a real drag . No 32bit ...
- I had a little picture ready to post if Apple didn't announce a new MP, or a crappy one .
Now I can't use it, that sucks .
Not only didn't I expect a WWDC announcment, I had almost zero hope of Apple having the vision to release an MP that appears to be a worthy cMP successor and highly modular .
Kudos to Apple, I didn't believe they had it in them .
I'm quite excited about the amount of PCIe slots and what looks like a bunch of internal connectors (purpose tbd ) .
Still not crazy about the design of the feet and handles, but check out the detail shots on the Apple website, this is some well put together computing device, to say the least .
Remaining questions there are many .
- The internal SATA and aux power connectors - there seem to be two each (?), how usable/compatible will those be with existing extension cards and whatnot .
How cool would it be if you could throw in a couple of SATA SSDs or even 2.5" spinners . I'm sure they are jumping up and down over at OWC , imagining all sorts of bits they want to stick in there .
- Same with the PCIe slots - can we pop in just any old USB card and such .
- GPU support/compatibility beyond the stock options .
- Storage sticks - what are those things ? Will M2/SATA SSDs on PCIe adapters be properly supported .
- Pricing of upgrades and the new modules .
Negatives :
- The price . 6k entry is just too much . This new design doesn't look like it will be or needs to be significantly updated anytime soon ; Apple should have eaten more of the R&D costsand profits short term, or whatever else they could have done to keep the base price lower, to try and get as many of those new MPs out of the door as possible .
Consolidating and increasing the user base in that segment should have been a priority .
I suspect they attempt to protect the iMac Pro and adjusted the MP pricing accordingly .
Many users may see it differently, but I think a significant amount of costumers are not cross-shopping all-in-ones and towers .
- Compatibility - see questions above . A lot depends on the actual expandability once this thing hits the road .
Costs and usability can vary quite a bit here .
- OSX - Always an issue with Macs; I know some posters like to make fun of it, but support of legacy apps and hardware can be a big deal for a bunch of users, small and mid sized outfits in particular .
New Mac, mandatory new OS, it's a real drag . No 32bit ...
- I had a little picture ready to post if Apple didn't announce a new MP, or a crappy one .
Now I can't use it, that sucks .