now, is there literally something that would prevent you from rolling back or is that just a compatibility issue you are likely to run into?
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now, is there literally something that would prevent you from rolling back or is that just a compatibility issue you are likely to run into?
Sure, we're "stuck" with PCIe3 in the nMP 7,1, but I think that's missing the point.
1) PCIe3 implementation is pretty mature these days, so you get most of the theoretical bandwidth delivered
2) The new design offers lots of PCIe3 lanes right to the socket
3) Eventually, PCIe3 x16 will be a meaningful bottleneck - but I'd wager several other components will have to advance two full generations before that's the case for more than 1% of workstation tasks.
1) PCIe3 implementation is pretty mature these days, so you get most of the theoretical bandwidth delivered
2) The new design offers lots of PCIe3 lanes right to the socket
3) Eventually, PCIe3 x16 will be a meaningful bottleneck - but I'd wager several other components will have to advance two full generations before that's the case for more than 1% of workstation tasks.
GPUs only use a fraction of the total bandwidth in a PCIe3 x16 slot. Most of the people here complaining about it don't need PCIe4. PCIe3 is overpowered for GPUs.
Someday we'll hit the PCIe3 limit. Probably in 10 years people will be here talking about how PCIe3 holds the 2019 Mac Pro back. But for now, PCIe3 is a lot more than most people need.
I think it's like people and HDMI versions where they just have to have the latest even if it's something they'll never use. It's just like people holding out on buying a new receiver because it doesn't support 8k and they're very sure they'll need that someday.
By the time PCIe4 or PCIe5 becomes really necessary, the rest of your Mac Pro will be outdated anyway.
pcie3 is an issue when stacked off the PCH.
also it's better to run video cards at x8 x8 then x16
As for when PCI 5 comes out, maybe youre right, maybe youre wrong. Let's see what happens by the end of the year. And if you're wrong, I expect photos crow eating.
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What does "clean" mean, and what is the advantage of "clean"?
ps: "case preserving" is the future
It doesn’t include the 32 runtime environment and the overhead of having it. It’s kind of like running a copy of WINE in the background, so no performance/memory/disk space overhead of that.
But it’a entirely a software deal so i don’t know why it would have anything to do with a Mac Pro launch.
Doesn't PCIe4 give you higher performance though? Even though it doesn't saturate the bandwidth (I thought that's. how AMD has gotten it's performance gains with the 5700 XT etc
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/does-pcie-4-matter/
I'm guessing that the majority of professional apps won't be ready for Catalina for me Avid Media. Composer, Native Instruments Komplete, Ableton come to mind
No. If, a 4 lane highway got 4 more lanes, totaling 8 lanes and there are zero traffic on the road--a Lamborghini won't suddenly become faster. If, the Lambo is capable of going, say 200 MPH... 4 extra lanes will not make it go 201 MPH. Unless of course, gravity takes the Lambo there due to, for example, a downhill....
This article talks about being able to use less lanes for a GPU. For example, you could probably run a GPU off of a PCIe4 4x slot. Which is fine and all, but the new Mac Pro isn't exactly low on slots or lanes. With one or two GPUs you won't even come close to running out of PCIe lanes. On consumer boxes with fewer CPU lanes, that could make a big difference. On a workstation with a lot of PCIe lanes already? Not so much.
That's not making things faster, it's just a question of how many cards you can install in your box.
I think the other advantage of PCIe 4.0 is it delivers more power over the slot, and might remove the need for PCIe power boosters in some cases. That's nice, but I'd guess that most cards will continue to ship with power booster connectors for backwards compatibility, and situations when the motherboard doesn't have any more power to deliver to a slot. Plus, the Mac Pro's primary GPU interface is still MPX, which delivers even more power.
Maybe, but there is no upside to cramming more than 4 NVMe drives on one card, which is below the bandwidth of a single slot. You could spread them across multiple cards. And the Mac Pro definitely has room for multiple cards.
Eventually you’d run out of lanes across multiple cards, but I’m not sure how many NVMe blades we’d be talking about total.
Each nvme stick does about 3.5gb/sec. so 4 would get you to 14gb/sec in raid 0. 8 lanes on pcie 3 gives you around 16gb/sec iirc. 16lanes gets you to 32gb/sec. so you’d need around 8 sticks of nvme ssds on a single card to saturate a 16lane slot.
Every1 has plenty of time. Given the the nMP is partly geared towards audio pro's then I would be mind blown if those big players didn't already have compatibility locked. Save for maybe Avid!
they always seem to have the same amount of time and are never ready when a new OS comes out, but I have seen Avid Protools displaying a MacPro at their headquarters on Instagram, filled with 6 HDX cards apparently
That’s partly Apple not being transparent/rushing people with yearly updates and partly software guys wanting to do no work and charge you for it if possible, but given they name-dropped a lot of companies for partnerships I imagine they’ve had a bit more access and time to prep than the usual.
No can do, for sure. The board was probably not designed for it. Traces should be too long anyway, CPU is at the top, GPUs at the bottom.
Can only take half the RAM of a Mac Pro (and then only with 2 CPUs installed) - Amateur Hour.
(And if the emoticon is not enough - I am kidding here, folks).
Once again, the entry level is a 1.6 ghz processor.
The default config is a blistering 1.7 ghz.If you configure like the 2018 Mac Pro base model, the price is $6677.55.
There is more general configurability. You can configure it at 1.6 ghz is you really are crazy enough and intent on not getting a much better i7 or i9 for cheaper. Second CPU option at the extreme other end. Ability to add optical drives. But it doesn't seem like the better deal unless you really need those things.
CW, you're at risk of suffering Aiden's wrath
[doublepost=1563386836][/doublepost]goMac, there is a 2018 MP?
[doublepost=1563386836][/doublepost]goMac, there is a 2018 MP?
goMac, there is a 2018 MP?
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