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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Worry the sky is falling if they don't announce "it's launching now/imminent" at the October event.
(I guess since we haven't heard anything yet they'd put the configurator live for preorders first. Everyone can have the fun sticker shock BTO fun.)
iOS 13 finalized? kind of a chuckle. Apple announced that 13.0 and 13.1 was coming ( 19th and 30th respectively ).
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/09/10/apple-releasing-ios-13-september-19/
Also announced that Catalina is coming in October.
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/09/10/apple-macos-catalina-october/
Probably a good thing to delay Catalina from the iOS release. At least folks on older OS can still use iTunes to back-up and sync data with their iPhone. Once get to Catalina it is "Finder" sync ( which is hard to believe Apple is going to get right. Or the iTunes shifts. ) the Apps and drivers being left behind . etc. Apple really shouldn't be trying to rush Catalina out the door.
iPadOS going out also. Apple walking and chewing gum at the same time is suspect these days.
Wasn't there talk earlier that Mac Pro was targeting a backport 10.14. ( I still think that the "Mojave" on the tech specs page has decent chance of just being a placeholder. so yes if Catalina is "first' macOS version for new Mac Pro then there would be a slide. )
One would hope that Apple is crossing their t's and dotting the i's on the new Mac Pro. If it ships and is flakey ... going to be very choppy waters given most of the user base isn't happy right now ( due to lateness and other reasons ).
The Mac Pro seems linked to Catalina, but I'm wondering if Mojave will also be supported as a downgrade. Especially with the Mac Pro Metal enhancements landing in Mojave, and Mojave on the tech specs page. They might be aware that some pros will need 32 bit apps and would support Mojave to give them a bit more time on the new Mac Pro.
I'm not sure if you guys spotted it but right on the beginning of the presentation, when they were showing drawings of everything Apple, one of those was the mMP. So, they did (almost unnoticed) show the mMP yesterday. But you had to be watching from the very beginning and with a lot of attention 
[doublepost=1568201948][/doublepost]Maybe they will indeed have an October event, with the release of Catalina, the new 16" rMBP and additional mMP info. Although most of it demands no event for sure, so... guess not.
[doublepost=1568201948][/doublepost]Maybe they will indeed have an October event, with the release of Catalina, the new 16" rMBP and additional mMP info. Although most of it demands no event for sure, so... guess not.
It'd be nice (especially since it would presumably be a bit more stable platform) but probably if you want a powerful 32-bit machine your option is an iMac Pro.
I've wondered why Apple seems so wedded to annual MacOS releases. Even doing something like a LTS release in between quicker point releases would help a lot.
Apple did in fact mention September at the beginning, on their webpage but promptly changed to Fall. I guess it gives them more latitude.
But if they're waiting on Catalina, it would make sense but it could also be not exactly ready for this kind of machine, it won't be September almost for sure.
But if they're waiting on Catalina, it would make sense but it could also be not exactly ready for this kind of machine, it won't be September almost for sure.
John Gruber thinks there could be "an October event could be focused on “pro” products: MacBook Pro, Mac Pro, and iPad Pro".
Blurg! Waiting is hard. All we really want is a price list for all those needed upgrades.
Blurg! Waiting is hard. All we really want is a price list for all those needed upgrades.
As usual, the presentation was very nice, Tim's got talent
The same can't be said of Phil "my a$$", he's such a dork.
They all keep looking down to read what to say next, and can't do a good job of hiding the occasional look.
Still, nice Jobs. (this was intended)
The iPhones look nice, you can't argue that Apple has the best hardware in all aspects, in my opinion that is.
Everything feels perfect. Not everything is of course, but sure comes close.
[doublepost=1568297408][/doublepost]Maybe Oktober Pro Fest... but in Cupertino, and minus the beer I guess. Or not
The same can't be said of Phil "my a$$", he's such a dork.
They all keep looking down to read what to say next, and can't do a good job of hiding the occasional look.
Still, nice Jobs. (this was intended)
The iPhones look nice, you can't argue that Apple has the best hardware in all aspects, in my opinion that is.
Everything feels perfect. Not everything is of course, but sure comes close.
[doublepost=1568297408][/doublepost]Maybe Oktober Pro Fest...
but in Cupertino, and minus the beer I guess. Or not
Hopefully more "pro" fonts and "pro" black and white filters too.
No. The September thing happened after Apple has said and published "Fall". In the beginning, it was "Fall". (WWDC ran from June 3rd through the 7th).
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/06/10/mac-pro-and-pro-display-xdr-coming-september/
3 days after WWDC finished, they did an update to the "notify me" page the September thing leaked. Then rapidly removed. Someone updating the US's website content screwed up. Whether that was a template for what would appear later or actual prepared material is questionable. Especially at this point since it is September. ( so if it was a something prepped for July that slipped out seems more doubtful. ).
That leak certainly anchored a fair number of folks into deferring action until September. If there is another Apple "invite to special event" by the end of September that will probably be enough to freeze most of them for another couple of weeks.
July-September is a bad time to release any Mac with the macOS upgrade cycle dates the way they are. When macOS n+1 is in high distribution beta from June-Sept it pretty should be a "all hands on deck" for doing development work on that version. The current version should only get minimal resource assignment. So doing work for a "new" system is the wrong time , wrong place. ( July if they actually finished most of the work for it back in May - early June and just waiting on supply chain to flush out with volume parts is fine. But the closer it gets to August is bad timing. )
It would be ready is they set up the logistics in Feb-May to set it up for Catalina (10.15). They ran Catalina for WWDC demos. The bigger foo-bar on planning would have been if they had queued up for Catalina but then tossed in a relatively late objective to get Mojave (10.14 ) on it too. [ possibly due to adverse test reaction to having to start after all the stuff that 10.15 drops . ]
Getting iOS and iPadOS out the door is probably taking more time than planned too. There is another whole OS stack to validate and ship now versus previous years. When iOS was younger, bigger iOS feature push would slide macOS . It wouldn't be surprising if that is kicking in again now ( iPadOS and watchOS graduating to its own app store ).
Kinda. Generally Apple tries to ride the train for whatever OS release will land just before the expected release date of the product and bundle in the drivers with that release. 10.14.6 was one such release they could have targeted, but with Catalina being "early Fall", there wasn't much point, as you say.
If we were going to see the Mac Pro on Mojave, we'd have started to see either a 10.14.7 beta with some "suspicious" new drivers, or have seen those drivers in earlier releases.
July-Sept is generally a bad window to release hardware products if you goal is to entice folks who just got bonuses, Christmas splurge purchases, and new fiscal year spending.
This doesn't really parse, since iPadOS is a branding change and statement of intent for the iPad, not a big engineering change. It's not even "another whole OS stack". The iPhone is still carrying the same SDK as the iPad, which includes the new UIScene stuff driving multi-window on the iPad.
iOS/iPadOS is practically the poster child of Responsive UI Design at this point. And Catalyst now adds macOS to the mix.
This is closer to what I think is going on. You've got some deeper changes in iOS in the form of Sidecar (for performance), multi-window support, opening up of the filesystem (and standing up drivers needed for thumb drives), etc. On the Mac, you've got Catalyst and SwiftUI landing at the same time which have to be working right out of the gate. This is probably one of their more aggressive cycles from an engineering perspective in a while in the sense that there's quite a bit of meaty V1 stuff landing all at the same time.
I think Apple would very much like to have a big "Pro" event in October with the mMP, 16" MBP and latest iPadPro. For a number of reasons noted in this thread, wanting to and being able to are not the same thing. By keeping the details of the October event vague, they could focus on what is ready to ship and downplay any device that's not. This sidesteps the PR hit they would get if they cancelled altogether, but still leave the door open to fire up the trumpets if they have units ready to ship. Hedging 101.
Yes, Sept 23rd should be the release date but I believe Apple will push it out the door in October.
I'll bet on shipping by October 63rd …Yes, Sept 23rd should be the release date but I believe Apple will push it out the door in October.
I'll bet on shipping by October 63rd …
But only 10 units, mass shipments Oct 94th!
Which, of course, is winter 2020. But those 10 units on the 63rd will cover Schiller's ass about meeting the "fall" deadline.
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The Mac Pro page did have a September date for some hours before it was updated to say "Fall".
I also have a feeling there’ll be an October event and then it’ll come in November or late October. I remember having waited 7 weeks for my 2013 Mac Pro... it was god awful because in the meantime PayPal closed my payment and then Apple canceled the order when they finally wanted to ship because the payment wasn’t made. I ended up spending hours in hotlines until I made it up the food chain to a senior person who then ordered the next Mac Pro from the conveyor belt to be shipped to me and gave me 500€ back for the trouble. Then a snowstorm hit the US and it was delayed even further hope this time it’ll be more smooth.
hope this time it’ll be more smooth.I remember having waited 7 weeks for my 2013 Mac Pro... it was god awful because in the meantime PayPal closed my payment and then Apple canceled the order ... ended up spending hours in hotlines ... then a snowstorm hit the US and it was delayed even further
Very similar to my experience. I was actually on the order page as Mac Pro orders went live and was seeing a December 2013 delivery date, but my order didn't go through because of a credit card issue.
By the time of sorting it out, orders were pushed past Feb 2014. However, instead of waiting, I gave up and built a Hackintosh. (Then spent most of 2014 trying to get my high end Dell monitor to run at 4K 60Hz in Mavericks / Yosemite.)
Finally got sick of the update driver dance and bit the bullet on a real Mac Pro in 2015, thinking it'd be superseded pretty soon. Still waiting for that to happen (although I guess my current iMac Pro from 2017 is its direct successor).
Mac Pro 6,1 (Made in USA) = constrained supply, snowstorms, screws...
Mac Pro 7,1 (Made in China) = have a feeling these problems won't apply and it'll be more like the availability of the iMac Pro.