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I really wonder if it is better for Apple to manufacture their own ARM CPUs. Do they have the designing and testing resources and the motive to take this route and produce new CPUs for the iDevices and Macs each year?

Is it possible for them to design and produce, and maintain, multiple CPU versions each year, or in time, for all of their products?
Will this ever be better than buying from intel (or other) selected and tested CPUs?
 
Despite this thread’s naysayers, there is enormous pent-up demand for this product and I very much doubt the Austin facility will be able to produce enough units to ship them in a timely fashion.

I've been in that Austin Flex facility. It's massive and Flex is one of the largest contract manufacturers in the world. They'll have ample capacity for a relatively modest number of Mac Pros that Apple will sell.
 
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Yet another ****** thing done by that orange moron

Yea, if only we could give China asymmetrically low tariffs into our country and very high tariffs into their countries forever, that would be so much more awesome! And that this may have caused apple to double down on making the mac pro in the US, I mean, that sucks so much! /sarcasm
 
It’s “transparent” binary emulation, exactly like Rosetta was. And rather than assuming that somehow it won’t be crap like it was then, you could just go look at the benchmarks people did and see for yourself that it is indeed crap.

It's not exactly like Rosetta. It's cached JIT. Windows 10 will basically port the app to ARM in real time, and then cache the port so you have a permanently ARM ported version on disk.

Is it perfect? No. Does it buy Microsoft enough time to get the rest of their third party apps ported to ARM for real? Most definitely. Native ARM apps are still part of Microsoft's strategy, and third party developers have started to roll them out.

The initial benchmarks weren't great. If you look at more recent benchmarks, they've been much improved. But I also don't think it's helping that the initial ARM Windows laptops are using lower end Qualcomm chipsets, which definitely won't help with the overhead of porting all your Intel code in the background.
 
It’s not three years late, and we’ve know for years it was going to be a multi-year development effort. In any case, I don’t expect Apple to miss the Fall 2019 commitment regardless of where they assemble the Mac Pro. If the parts were already in China, they’ll simply ship them here. There are many, many flights daily between China and the US.

Pragmatically it is three years late. The April 2017 "starting point" was already late. That starting point was about 3.5 years after the previous Mac Pro. If go back in this thread I pointed out at the time folks with 4-6 month timelines were likely very wrong. I expected 12-18 months (maybe 24 if there was a supplier screw up: Intel/AMD ) from that April. However, that was in the context of just how late it would arrive displaced from where it should have arrived with responsible product management.

From the perspective of the "box with slots" folks there hasn't been a new product since 2010. Arriving in 2019 and creeping very close to 2020 would be by all reasonable measures , late. It has really only been a matter since April 2017 of just how badly late the new product would be. Not whether it is late or not. Being already late was in part why Apple pragmatically had to start talking about in 2017.
If there was minuscule problems with the roll out schedule there would have been no pow-wow discussion.

I’m not sure if you’ve ever assembled (manufactured) a computer before but it’s hardly rocket science. It’s not like they’re going to be fabbing 20-layer PCBs in Texas; they’ll arrive completely assembled and tested, 1,000 to a pallet. Same with GPU modules, power supplies and every other necessary component. Parts sourced in the US will arrive by truck, as will pallets from the airport and containers from the port.

Errr, no. Even if the board is tested earlier you'd still have to retest the assembled system. Making one car from a kit does not put you in the same major car maker assembly line. There are logistics in making 200-300 systems per day that don't show up if just making two. Flow of parts , different staging areas , etc.

It isn't rocket science but, have to lay out the assembly line right or else run into problems. ( e.g., Tesla trying to cram 3 different car lines into one factory building ... didn't really work all that well. )

If they have to weave this in with other product lines at the plant the ballet get all the more complicated. Plus it isn't even Apple doing the work. You can't just show up on a Tuesday and say want a whole product line rolling on next Wednesday .

I’d expect the chassis will be fabricated and assembled here as they are no doubt quite heavy,

Not sure why expect that since in the stories I linked in can see Apple applied for a wavier for importing the case which is probably the heaviest component. The "space frame" I suspect with part of that 'enclosure' exception too.

but if it’s faster or cheaper they might do that in China, who knows.

It is "faster" if Apple planned for 10 months to put it there and is now switching gears.

That's substantially the issue. If on day "zero" this new system was treated with some urgency , then throwing curve ball delays in assembly and winding it up into a trade war pawn status was an exceedingly dubious move. It failed. And now the product is even more late than it already was.
 
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Am I just missing it, or did Apple remove the starting price of the new Mac Pro from their website? I don't see the price listed anymore. The Pro Display XDR's price is still there though.
 
Looking at the wayback machine for the June cached copy of the Mac Pro page I don't see the price listed then either. Looks like it never was.
Weird... I could have sworn that I remembered the price being listed on the tech specs page (just like on the Pro Display XDR's tech specs page), but I guess the wayback machine doesn't lie! Nevermind, then.
 
I've been in that Austin Flex facility. It's massive and Flex is one of the largest contract manufacturers in the world. They'll have ample capacity for a relatively modest number of Mac Pros that Apple will sell.

Perhaps, but they failed to cope with initial demand last time and that’s the only data point we have to go on.

Unlike the factory cities in China, if there’s any one interruption in the supply chain (apparently it was a particular type of screw last time), it‘ll slow production to a crawl. And, it’s far less likely Austin can contract on an extra XXX workers at short notice to meet initial demand and then let them go a month later. It will likely be a far more gradual ramp up.

I’d love to be proven wrong, as I’ll have a day one order in, and would really like to see the holey tower soon after. Just that sense of déjà vu.
 
Unlike the trashcan, assembling this thing is basically building a PC (which plenty of people do in their basement or garage). Apple being Apple, they've probably put in some weird screws for fun - but it's basically just building a PC. Losing an input will delay them in Austin (or China).

They've got about six basic inputs, several of which are off the shelf, and then they just need to put them together:

Anything that can go by air really doesn't matter where in the world you need it - it can be there within 24 hours. I've never quite believed the screw story about the trashcan (or there has to be more to it than first appears), because a box of screws doesn't take up any space on a 747. If the screws are made in China and you need them in Texas, you can have them in Texas the next day.

Case/power supply (presumably supplied with the hardware to screw everything together, probably comes from a high-end PC case builder in or near China) - this could hold up production in Austin, but it could in China, too. Has to be shipped across the Pacific by sea (which would hold up production in Austin, but not China), but shipping the cases to Austin means that the completed systems can go out to North American customers much faster - by ground or even domestic air. International air freight on something this heavy would be very expensive. Something heavy (whether it's the case or the completed system) has to be sea-freighted from Asia to North America if the system is going to North America in the end - sea-freighting the case is actually better, because Apple doesn't have to guess which configurations to send over - all the cases are the same, while completed systems come in thousands of forms.

CPUs: Commodity Intel items - single supplier, can be air-freighted. Might be modestly faster to get to Austin than China (many of Intel's fabs are in North America) , but really doesn't matter.

RAM: Commodity item with multiple (primarily Asian) suppliers, can be air-freighted. Might be modestly fater to get to China than Austin, but really doesn't matter.

Drives: Custom item, also used by iMac Pro - easier to get in China (they're made somewhere in Asia), but also easily air-freighted. A standard air cargo container full of them supplies a month worth of Mac Pros easily - so they're easier to get one place than another by 12 hours or so.

Motherboards: Custom item, made in Asia. Ideally sea-freighted, but air shipping is less than $50 per board (probably much less with Apple's logistics deals).

GPU cards: Like the motherboards, custom and big enough that you'd prefer to get them on a ship, but can be flown without huge expense.

For North American customers, a Texas assembly point is a significant advantage, because it moves the "really needs to go by sea" step from the end of the process after all the customization to the beginning of the process. If you are moving cases and power supplies by sea, but finished computers by a faster form of transportation (even a truck is much faster than a 10,000 mile ocean crossing), all you need is a stockpile of cases in Texas, then you can build any computer that anyone orders from, say, California and get it there in a day. If you have to move the computer by sea at the end of the process, you're stuck with about a month of lead time (the voyage is several weeks, plus you need to wait for a ship to be going with space available and have a containerload of Mac Pros to send) unless you've anticipated the configuration and have it sitting in a warehouse on this side of the Pacific.

Of course, it also makes sense to have an Asian assembly point to build them for Asian customers! You don't want to sea-freight finished computers to customers in Shanghai, Tokyo and Seoul any more than you do to customers in LA and New York.
 
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Hello folks,

Since the 7.1 comes closer by the minute, I ponder what it would mean to move over into the new system and how many cards I could bring with me.
I have been very happy with my I/O Crest PCIe 3.0 x 16 card so far. At the moment it holds two older AHCI SSD blades from the older days that saves me a full slot. I wonder what are the chances that this card will work in the new Mac Pro.
Will only the expensive Sonnet Bridge card work or do think this Crest card will work. It works fine under Mojave, so I don't see why it would not work in the new 7.1. - Maybe I should sell my reliable AHCI blades and move on to NVME ?

What do you think, could I move it over, or should I sell all those goodies for the expensive Sonnet card?

Here is the card for a reference:


Thanks!
 
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We get as little as a week's notice for some of these events, so I wouldn't say no event's coming until we hit the 23rd or later :)

Don't they usually hold them on Tuesdays? 15th is possible but I'd think invites would be going out this week (next couple days). 22nd or 29th would be possibilities. Seems to me (without looking anything up) that October events are usually the third full week of the month, my memory could be hazy though. 22nd most likely day for a MBP unveiling. Hopefully an announcement on Modular Mac Pro at the same time but who knows.

Always the possibility that they silently update the webpage on Friday as they release Catalina (if that rumor of the MacOS release pans out). I'm not holding my breath though. If any of these materialize I'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
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