I think that GPU's capable of DP1.3 or better are the only viable for nMP v2... so no Fiji.
And if 150W is the max TDP, then
Polaris 10 Pro and XT
Under clocked GTX 1080
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And if 150W is the max TDP, then
Polaris 10 Pro and XT
Under clocked GTX 1080
About the question on plugging a TB3 device on a USB-C only port, most TB3 cable I've seen comes with a blue light that brights when plugged into TB3 ports.
What's means 4 TB3 ports only on the nMP.
Each TB3 can be splitted into 2 TB2, so you can attach 12 TB2 peripheral to a single TB3 port.
Also implies NO PEX-Switch required if apple using PCIe2 NVMe's (and Darknet guy said it to have two of them).
Also implies a single GB Ethernet and USB3 Based Wifi/BT.
DG also insist all ports capable to deliver at least 4K video, I think some video channels ports should be shared either with TB3 ports or side-by side.
What's means 4 TB3 ports only on the nMP.
Each TB3 can be splitted into 2 TB2, so you can attach 12 TB2 peripheral to a single TB3 port.
Also implies NO PEX-Switch required if apple using PCIe2 NVMe's (and Darknet guy said it to have two of them).
Also implies a single GB Ethernet and USB3 Based Wifi/BT.
DG also insist all ports capable to deliver at least 4K video, I think some video channels ports should be shared either with TB3 ports or side-by side.
Yeah this is a good point. At least it isn't a downgrade... the IPC increase will make these CPUs faster at least than Ivy Bridge. Why do these 4 core CPUs have a 140W TDP if they are only clocked 3.7-3.8 GHz? You can purchase 4 core desktop CPUs with higher clocks and lower TDP.
I've heard that thees E5-16xx chips are actually unlocked and can be overclocked when supported by the motherboard. Has anyone poked around in the previous Mac Pro EFI to try anything like this out?
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Lets seriously hope that Apple does not use DP1.2 GPUs–– the Mac Pro would be stuck at 4K/60Hz for the next 3 years!
About PSU Power and CPU/GPU
I Think Apple Will adopt Dynamic Throtling installing High powered GPU (at 220W Max) but throtling as required to keep the set below 520 W.
When working on GPU-only compute both could be at full power while the CPU throthled to keep.
Also when using only a single GPU fully throtling the unused allows full CPU/GPU1.
Mixed load would mean general system throtling.
I Think Apple Will adopt Dynamic Throtling installing High powered GPU (at 220W Max) but throtling as required to keep the set below 520 W.
When working on GPU-only compute both could be at full power while the CPU throthled to keep.
Also when using only a single GPU fully throtling the unused allows full CPU/GPU1.
Mixed load would mean general system throtling.
' all usb-c 4 TBv3 only' for any flavor of USB or somewhat looney (has 1 port MacBook on the OCD brain ) 4 ports only on the Mac Pro. The latter would sure sign the lunatics are running the asylum.
TBv3 means there is USB3 present. The USB3 controller aspect is built into the TB controller hardware.
"real compute" .... What? the others only do imaginary number compute. "Real" as in has significant FP64 improvements? ( if the others scale up on FP32 that is still quite 'real' for a substantive number of workloads). Or 'real' in the only one worthy of bragging rights ( "can't innovate my ... " fodder ).
So neither one really needs WWDC stage time.
Either Apple is radically changing their SSD pricing markups or ...... good luck with that at the low end of the market.
I suspect Apple is fully switching to their in-house PCIe NVMe SSD controller that is already being used in the 12" MacBook (and a derivative of it in iPhone/iPad). That would cut their costs quite a bit given that NVMe drives are still in short supply, which keeps the pricing higher compared to just buying plain NAND and combining that with an in-house controller.
Even current Mac Pro can use a 5K/60p display, using dual DP1.2 on MST, on TB3 you dont need two cables to do dual dp1.2 MST,
E5-16XX use to be highly overcolcked by HF Stock Traders, even HPE sells a proliant ready for single E5 cpu with special cooling, of course you' ll never see this on a legit mac.
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Hi Dec, the 4xTB3 on the MP sure will rise debate, but given the whole system provides actually 8 TB2 ports, Apple has an argument.
All TB3 cables I've seen yet have an blue ring ligth when plugged to TB3 as witnes is properly plugged, I think this situation was foreseen by Intel long ago. (I'm not sure this to be a STD)
?? the Macbooks Pro will have 2 TB3 capable to drive a 5K display as well 2 more USB-C capable to drive a 4K Displar non-thunderbolt, I see logic on provide Non-Thunderbolt USB-C ports, as a safe in case no-tb3 hardware is available, also saves 4 PCIe lines.
Ahh, also keep USB only ports its an saavy way to load USB recovery, and installers, turning arround any possible TB3 interference with recovery or system install.
4TFlops FP64 will put some Mac Pros on Research Desks again.
Agree.
SSD prices are falling ludicrous fast, even seems 32GB will be the base for iPhone 7, at some time Apple has to give up with their 100$/16GB pricing.
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Neither Samsung nor Sandisk have "own" SSD controllers, most high-end SSD use ssd controller from Marvell, Silicon Motion, Micron, It's an higly specialized part that involves tricky patents etc, I douibt Apple to take the mess and high risck to buid it's own SSD Controller, what they could do (as surely does) is to license the a design just to integrate into their products as the ARM processors.
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Samsung does everything in-house (NAND, DRAM, controller, firmware...). SanDisk uses Marvell and Silicon Motion. Micron uses Marvell and Silicon Motion, although they may have an in-house controller after their acquisition of Tidal last year. Intel uses in-house in enterprise and third party in client.
Apple already has their own SSD controller, which as I said is being used in the 12" MacBook. Hence it would make sense for Apple to expand the usage of that controller to other Macs as well.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9136/the-2015-macbook-review/8
Skylake-W (yes, no more -EP for 1S systems) will use Kaby Lake PCH, like I predicted long time ago. Basin Falls platform, different from Purley for 2S+ systems.
Great specs, that would be awesome for nMP, but still too far off!! :-(
Finally PCIe 3 on the PCH.
Same socket though, 2011-3.
Also, -E will be -X for Skylake and Kaby Lake will also be -X for the desktop.
Intel's roadmap is getting so messed up...
28 cores, 2667 DDR4, 48 PCIe3 lanes - insane!!
Compatibility with the still to come CannonLake-W
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Also, mobile 10x0 parts will be the same as desktop, maybe lower clocks for 30W lower TDP.
Great specs, that would be awesome for nMP, but still too far off!! :-(
Finally PCIe 3 on the PCH.
Same socket though, 2011-3.
Also, -E will be -X for Skylake and Kaby Lake will also be -X for the desktop.
Intel's roadmap is getting so messed up...
28 cores, 2667 DDR4, 48 PCIe3 lanes - insane!!
Compatibility with the still to come CannonLake-W
[doublepost=1464902842][/doublepost]Benches of P100 out, not gaming benches of course
Also, mobile 10x0 parts will be the same as desktop, maybe lower clocks for 30W lower TDP.
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Sorta off topic, but I'm curious, are you training models on the mac? and if so are you using OpenCL? .. all the API's I know of are CUDA based, currently with OpenCL maybe on the roadmap. Which is too bad cuz I could use the 14x speed up over the CPU.
Looks like we might be waiting a little longer for the MacPro as 9to5 Mac reckon WWDC is mainly a software event.
http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/02/apple-wwdc-no-external-display-software/
I mean the MacPro isn't a huge fanfare stage hogging intro so it could still happen but this started to make me a little concerned. 9to5 have quite a good track history which doesn't help matters!
Fingers crossed they are wrong.
http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/02/apple-wwdc-no-external-display-software/
I mean the MacPro isn't a huge fanfare stage hogging intro so it could still happen but this started to make me a little concerned. 9to5 have quite a good track history which doesn't help matters!
Fingers crossed they are wrong.
Mago, I sure hope those rumors are true about the nMP.
4 TB3 ports on the remaining 8 lanes would be sweet, the other 6 ports would be the PCH's USB3 using USB-C of course
But 2 SSDs on the 8 PCH PCIe 2 lanes is not possible, you always need 1 lane per GbE port - we had this discussion before and dec pointed it out correctly. So, 2 for dual GbE - I doubt they'll go only 1 port now. Maybe the 2nd SSD will be slower on 2 lanes only?!
Or Apple will wait another year and have it all on board with Skylake-W
All accounted there will be 68 PCIe lanes in the platform, 48 from the CPU and another 20 on the PCH.
That would be awesome, dual GPU x16, dual SSD x4, dual 10GbE, 6 TB3 ports and some to spare.
Another year of waiting is crazy though...
4 TB3 ports on the remaining 8 lanes would be sweet, the other 6 ports would be the PCH's USB3 using USB-C of course
But 2 SSDs on the 8 PCH PCIe 2 lanes is not possible, you always need 1 lane per GbE port - we had this discussion before and dec pointed it out correctly. So, 2 for dual GbE - I doubt they'll go only 1 port now. Maybe the 2nd SSD will be slower on 2 lanes only?!
Or Apple will wait another year and have it all on board with Skylake-W
All accounted there will be 68 PCIe lanes in the platform, 48 from the CPU and another 20 on the PCH.
That would be awesome, dual GPU x16, dual SSD x4, dual 10GbE, 6 TB3 ports and some to spare.
Another year of waiting is crazy though...
Read te fine print, they clean hands ONLY on Thunderbolt Display with eGPU rumor, the same time they contition: "mostly...."
We have at least one reliable source on the nMP being announced next WWDC, also the new MBPs. Other sources as "DarkentGuy" never predicted TB Display for WWDC only as a possibility and had never handle info on monitor withs eGPU yet.
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Mago, I sure hope those rumors are true about the nMP.
4 TB3 ports on the remaining 8 lanes would be sweet, the other 6 ports would be the PCH's USB3 using USB-C of course
But 2 SSDs on the 8 PCH PCIe 2 lanes is not possible, you always need 1 lane per GbE port - we had this discussion before and dec pointed it out correctly. So, 2 for dual GbE - I doubt they'll go only 1 port now. Maybe the 2nd SSD will be slower on 2 lanes only?!
Or Apple will wait another year and have it all on board with Skylake-W
All accounted there will be 68 PCIe lanes in the platform, 48 from the CPU and another 20 on the PCH.
That would be awesome, dual GPU x16, dual SSD x4, dual 10GbE, 6 TB3 ports and some to spare.
Another year of waiting is crazy though...
The PCIe lines match if you discard using a discrete Ethernet controller instead the one provided by the PCH, the drawback is the MP 7,1 will have only one Gb Ethernet, they will overcome the cricits based on the inmediate availability at no cost of the ultra-fast Thunderbolt 3 Ethernet, (and actually its an unicorn a nMP plugged on both eth using Link Aggregation )
Our new systems have 72 cores (144 threads), 1 TiB of RAM and 4 Titan X cards.
They're not Apples. And yes, there's a CUDA library or package for whatever we need.
WWDC is more often than not just a software event (and certainly that's its focus) but they've released some kind of hardware there almost as often.
9to5 isn't saying "WWDC is generally a software event so don't expect to see much hardware"
they're saying this particular event -> WWDC 2016
..is going to be highly focused on software and light on the hardware.
"sources say that WWDC this year will be a “software year”, indicating the show will be light on new hardware announcements in general. "
(of course, this doesn't mean there will be zero hardware shown... it's just that many rumors have seemed to imply we will see a whole lot of new hardware at wwdc2016.. mac pro, mbp, mini, tbolt display, etc.
when in reality, we might see only one or two of those things)
they are just pushing back the risk of being m0r0ns with predictions they cant rely, the TrashCan MacPro was a big surprise on 2013, no leak (sice it was US Made), 9to5mac , iMore has asian sources where its hard to enforce NDA, not the same as the on state side.
Who knows...maybe phill will talk about the nMP and will tell it will be available on October or something. I'm tired of Apple having self abused mentality.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-3d-xpoint-kaby-lake,31966.html
nMP with 3DXPoint Optane SSDs anyone? If they'll wait till next year with Skylake-W it's possible. Maybe even (NV)RAM.
nMP with 3DXPoint Optane SSDs anyone? If they'll wait till next year with Skylake-W it's possible. Maybe even (NV)RAM.
3DXpoint will be used as accelerator or cache for conventional ssd, at leat at the beggining, not this neither next year will arrive n any desktop.
I'm betting next year we'll see at least some SSDs based on it.
Too bad if nMP does get refreshed this year this tech will only come to nMP in 3 years again, probably.
[doublepost=1464952331][/doublepost]So, another case nMP-like. It seems it wasn't such a bad idea after all.
OK, those are all gaming biased cases but still...
http://www.techpowerup.com/223114/cryorig-unveils-the-ola-cylindrical-chassis
Too bad if nMP does get refreshed this year this tech will only come to nMP in 3 years again, probably.
[doublepost=1464952331][/doublepost]So, another case nMP-like. It seems it wasn't such a bad idea after all.
OK, those are all gaming biased cases but still...
http://www.techpowerup.com/223114/cryorig-unveils-the-ola-cylindrical-chassis