MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[Mago]

These are the GFlops on the nMP 6,1:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013/9
FP32 (each GPU)
D300 2,176 TFlops
D500 2,227 TFplos
D700 3,481 TFlops

FP64
D300 136 GFlops
D500 556.8 GFlops
D700 870.4 Gflops

I received a magic number I posted time ago, 2,35x

Lets see what's happen then

D310 5,11 TFlops
D510 5,2 TFlops
D710 8,2 TFlops

D310 319 GFlops
D510 1308 GFlops
D710 2044 GFlops

What's means, as you know this 2,35x factor comes from an actually unreliable source (darkent), I put it to compare with actual Polaris benchmarks, this could decode even when the nMP will be available (at least on Polaris GPU).

 

[AidenShaw]

Who's to say Apple won't go with the new 6-core i7 as the base system ?

Tim and Phil.

It would be too embarrassing to have an Apple "semi-pro" without ECC RAM.

 

[Mago]

P.D. I'll cry for 4Tflops FP64 compute...

 

[AidenShaw]

P.D. I'll cry for 4Tflops FP64 compute...

Why?

What apps popular on Apples need FP64 GPU compute?

Nvidia seems to have found a happy place with making very expensive fast FP64 cards for the scientific market, and consumer cards that are very fast on FP32 but mediocre for FP64. For what we're doing (machine learning and AI), fast FP16 is much more interesting than FP64.

 

[koyoot]

I guess it was't just me that noticed the different settings for 1080 and XFed 480s. The 480s had lower detail levels for sure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4m083v/regarding_the_controversy_of_aots_benchmarks_you/

The GPUs are already in the wild on the ladder of scores. The scores are... different. Why AMD is so bloody silent?

Also there is a bit of misunderstanding with the score of P10 crossfired outscoring in DX12 GTX1080. The Problem is that the crossfired GPUs were at 50% load. And the game was not VSynced.

As I have said, more questions than answers. If they were at 50% load, that meant that GPUs were using not more than 75W of power, totaling with 150W, IF we assume that power draw equals TDP.

I would wait for the reviews. Too many questions without answers, so far.

 

[jonisign]

Not sure if anyone has noticed this, but specs for the as of yet unreleased E5-16xx v4 CPUs that would most likely be included in the new Mac Pro (4-8 core variants) are listed on Asrock's site and wikipedia:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/X99 WS-E/index.us.asp?cat=CPU
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#Xeon_E5-16xx_v4_.28uniprocessor.29

of note:

2011-3 Xeon E5-1660 v4(R0) Broadwell-EP 3.2 GHz BLK 100MHz 20 MB 140W
2011-3 Xeon E5-1680 v4(R0) Broadwell-EP 3.8 GHz BLK 100MHz 20 MB 140W
2011-3 Xeon E5-1630 v4(R0) Broadwell-EP 3.8 GHz BLK 100MHz 10 MB 140W
2011-3 Xeon E5-1650 v4(R0) Broadwell-EP 3.8 GHz BLK 100MHz 15 MB 140W

For those concerned about the frequency of these new CPUs, fear not, they seem to be clocked quite high!

 

[deconstruct60]

...
of note:

2011-3 Xeon E5-1660 v4(R0) Broadwell-EP 3.2 GHz BLK 100MHz 20 MB 140W
2011-3 Xeon E5-1680 v4(R0) Broadwell-EP 3.8 GHz BLK 100MHz 20 MB 140W
2011-3 Xeon E5-1630 v4(R0) Broadwell-EP 3.8 GHz BLK 100MHz 10 MB 140W
2011-3 Xeon E5-1650 v4(R0) Broadwell-EP 3.8 GHz BLK 100MHz 15 MB 140W

For those concerned about the frequency of these new CPUs, fear not, they seem to be clocked quite high!

Not really clocked high if the Wikipedia is right and those snippets from ASRock are of the Turbo. E5 1620 and 1630 v3 both Turbo close to 3.8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...swell-EP.22_.2822_nm.29_Efficient_Performance


E5 1620 v3 3.5GHz Turbo 3.6 ( http://ark.intel.com/products/82763/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1620-v3-10M-Cache-3_50-GHz )
E5 1620 v4 3.5GHz Turbo 3.8 [ yay! the 1620 isn't quite so kneecapped as before. ]

E5 1630 v3 3.7GHz Turbo 3.8 ( http://ark.intel.com/products/82764/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1630-v3-10M-Cache-3_70-GHz )
E5 1630 v4 3.7GHz Tubo 3.8 [ no change, both base and turbo ]


If the 1630 v4 base is 3.8 and Turbos up to 4.0 then there has been some progress. Otherwise, Intel is screwing the 4 core options pretty hard.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Mago: http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/01/apple...goes-out-of-stock-may-feature-integrated-gpu/

Have you not discussed this, already?

29th of May, 2015
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...the-nvidia-750m.1883810/page-12#post-21375944

7th of Jan, 2016
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...mac-pro-in-2016.1928328/page-67#post-22440534

 

[koyoot]

I guess it was't just me that noticed the different settings for 1080 and XFed 480s. The 480s had lower detail levels for sure.

We also have official AMD answer on the topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4m692q/concerning_the_aots_image_quality_controversy/

 

[Zarniwoop]

It seems that Apple is compiling OS X according to an Intel processor generation.. there are separate kernels for Haswell and older gen cpu's and I suppose there are newer too.

If Apple delivers Broadwell-EP MP with specifically compiled kernel / OS, we could see multicore tests giving nearly 50% better results than EP v2 (...and not just the 15% what it will give without) That would be something..

 

[Zarniwoop]

However, the eGPU is an inevitability (either apple or third party). It would make more sense if you can slot into it, take it away with you and upgrade separately to the monitor, rather than being completely integrated in to it. You're not going to have the option to take a monitor with you, it's useless for mac pro setups and would be a waste to replace your monitor that has a lifespan of over 5 years, just to upgrade the GPU with a 2-3 year lifespan.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple puts A9X to the Cinema Display running tvOS. It'd support the remote, Siri and AirPlay. It works standalone but if user connects it with TB2/TB3 it becomes as an eGPU display or if the Mac has DP1.3 ready GPU, the display will show that content directly. A9X is not a beast for 5k, but it work as it does with iPad Pro 12.9". And it supports Adaptive sync to scale between 43Hz - 144Hz. This is a consumer display and is internally HSA 1.1 compatible (and externally HSA 1.1 ready).

Studio Pro display could be a second product and that works only with DP1.3 / HDR compatible GPU's = next gen MP and MBP.

 

[H2SO4]

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple puts A9X to the Cinema Display running tvOS. It'd support the remote, Siri and AirPlay. It works standalone but if user connects it with TB2/TB3 it becomes as an eGPU display or if the Mac has DP1.3 ready GPU, the display will show that content directly. A9X is not a beast for 5k, but it work as it does with iPad Pro 12.9". And it supports Adaptive sync to scale between 43Hz - 144Hz. This is a consumer display and is internally HSA 1.1 compatible (and externally HSA 1.1 ready).

Studio Pro display could be a second product and that works only with DP1.3 / HDR compatible GPU's = next gen MP and MBP.

Far too much functionality. Apple would surely not give you all of that hardware when they could sell you two less than half as useful items for more money.

 

[Mago]

The guy from darknet insist, the next mac pro to be all usb-c 4 TB3 only, also two NVMe, all ports capable to delivery 4K video, 5K only thru TB3.

Next Macbooks also to have mixed TB3 / USB3 only USB-C .

Next MP PSU rated at 580W.

only D710 GPU to be a real compute/pro gpu.

nMP 7,1 available later Q3, next Macbook pro Available earlier in August.

Next Thunderbolt Display for Q4, also next Mac Mini and iMac, but there is a possibility both next mac mini and TBD3 also to be introduced at WWDC with availability moreless at same time next MBP.

Only legacy non-retina iMac will be available with spinners hdd, every new Mac to be SSD only, including next mac mini, no more fusion drives also,

More on pricing, nMP keeps pricing scheme, storage and ram options cheaper, base MP7,1 from 3000$.
Next MBP cheaper also, but less than 100$.

Next Mac mini from ~600$ Quadcore/SSD only 2TB3 4 USB-C, half-size.

 

[koyoot]

That is 130W more than currently. 65W more for each GPU, and that puts it in 195W Range.

Fiji, more or less to my taste...

580W is not bad still.

Polaris 10 Doom demo was running at 60 FPS minimum. Actually higher than that. R9 390X is not able to maintain 60FPS in that game. It scores around 48 FPS on minimums. We are looking at 199$ Fury Nano performance level. But that is only graphics perspective. Compute power is all I care about.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Next MP PSU rated at 580W.

That is exactly for Broadwell-EP (+10W) and two GTX1080's' (+60W extra each) or two Fury Nano's (same) but also for two Polaris 10's.

So
Basic model with 2 x Polaris Pro 10 4GB
Better model with 2 x Polaris XT 8GB GDDR5/X
Best model with 2 x GTX 1080 8GB or 16GB

 

[AdamSeen]

If the PSU is uprated, won't the chassis have to be changed to accommodate higher thermal output?

The existing one would have been designed with minimal overheads as to keep the size constrained.

 

[Mago]

If the PSU is uprated, won't the chassis have to be changed to accommodate higher thermal output?

The existing one would have been designed with minimal overheads as to keep the size constrained.

I think a minor revision to the thermal core and the fan are more than enough.

 

[koyoot]

Water Cooling. Yes, please!

 

[Mago]

That is 130W more than currently. 65W more for each GPU, and that puts it in 195W Range.

Fiji, more or less to my taste...

580W is not bad still.

Polaris 10 Doom demo was running at 60 FPS minimum. Actually higher than that. R9 390X is not able to maintain 60FPS in that game. It scores around 48 FPS on minimums. We are looking at 199$ Fury Nano performance level. But that is only graphics perspective. Compute power is all I care about.

a 580W PSU also means 520W Max TDP Available, take account each TB3 may deliver 100W either to charge a slave macbook or to powerup a display (this is only my speculation, since TB3 has 100W Power delivery feature, which maybe disabled as opt. or only as input option)
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Water Cooling. Yes, please!

As much a copper based thermal core is enough to compensate.

 

[Zarniwoop]

a 580W PSU also means 520W Max TDP Available, take account each TB3 may deliver 100W either to charge a slave macbook or to powerup a display (this is only my speculation, since TB3 has 100W Power delivery feature, which maybe disabled as opt. or only as input option)
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As much a copper based thermal core is enough to compensate.

That's true. So maybe next external Apple Pro display has one USB-C input only and it's for power and data.

 

[AdamSeen]

I think a minor revision to the thermal core and the fan are more than enough.

We can hope. It would defiantly make it a better computer. But 130w is 30% more potential heat. Quite a feat to achieve with some minor changes.

 

[koyoot]

a 580W PSU also means 520W Max TDP Available, take account each TB3 may deliver 100W either to charge a slave macbook or to powerup a display (this is only my speculation, since TB3 has 100W Power delivery feature, which maybe disabled as opt. or only as input option)
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As much a copper based thermal core is enough to compensate.

Actually. Apple used in MP 500W PSU but advertised it as 450, for obvious reasons. So you may be right about that. It could be advertised as 520W PSU, not 580. So not 130W more for 2 GPUs. Only 70W more. 35W more headroom for GPUs putting into 165W range.

Fiji from S9300X2 and Radeon Pro Duo has 150W of TBW for each GPU and 850 MHz core clock...

 

[Hellhammer]

That's true. So maybe next external Apple Pro display has one USB-C input only and it's for power and data.

Doubt it. That would mean a laptop would also have to deliver power to the display, which is a hassle as the sole purpose of the Power Delivery spec in the USB-C is to allow seamless laptop-as-desktop experience (i.e. plug in a single cable that gives you power, video and data).

 

[Mago]

That is exactly for Broadwell-EP (+10W) and two GTX1080's' (+60W extra each) or two Fury Nano's (same) but also for two Polaris 10's.

So
Basic model with 2 x Polaris Pro 10 4GB
Better model with 2 x Polaris XT 8GB GDDR5/X
Best model with 2 x GTX 1080 8GB or 16GB

I think the 3rd option will be based on some underclocked W8100 if the nMP7,1 if set to September release.

 

[AdamSeen]

Ah yes, it would make more sense if just for powering external devices than given a lot more to gpu/cpu