The 580 doesn’t have any TB3 ports - it routes video to the system TB3 ports and has 2x hdmi ports
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The 580 doesn’t have any TB3 ports - it routes video to the system TB3 ports and has 2x hdmi ports
three different backups inside the same physical system is not a backup policy best practice , nor particularly common.
If put multiple backups in the same place than the same physical event can get to both of them at the same time.
Apple's APFS is not geared toward HDDs. That is a deep reason why Apple keen to ship them in the Mac Pro configurations from the factory. They already know the performance isn't long good on HDDs.
"But the iMac still ships..." . What is shipping in the iMac is a fluke. Look at the rest of the mac line up.
Apple knows there are folks with bulk data on HFS+ , but in terms of boot drive that isn't macOS future anymore.
Glad to see that the UK pricing wasn't horrible... add my education discount and it wasn't too bad:
Mac Pro | |
With the following configuration: 3.3GHz 12‑core Intel Xeon W processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.4GHz 32GB (4x8GB) of DDR4 ECC memory Radeon Pro 580X with 8GB of GDDR5 memory 1TB SSD storage Stainless steel frame with feet Magic Mouse 2 Magic Keyboard with Numeric Keypad - British Accessory Kit | |
£5,069.00 | |
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something like the J2i with a smaller cross section may be better since won't suck up a larger cross section of the CPU heat output.
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/...2i-8tb-internal-storage-enclosure-for-mac-pro
it still wouldn't be a good place for long term archival, high value data storage you wanted to keep. It would work for some nearline cases. Two 2.5" would have a minor fraction of that cross section the above has. That basically soaks up the whole gap left open. And throws the cables in front of the "thermal bus" too.
5-7 years of that a peak thermal load... good luck with achieving the same error free rates as something out of the easy bake oven. ( the 16+ CPUs being so high priced will drop the number of deployments but not going to find other systems designs this way where storage 'eats' what the high TDP components pump out. )
580X enables the standard Mac Pro 2019 TBv3 ports. And it is probably a better "boot screen" card also. It still not placate the folks grumbling about how they paid $6K and 580X is all they get. But yes... it will work as a "boot screen" card in a two GPU card set up.
Apple probably could use some better pointers to new support doc on what can get installed.
"...Mac Pro supports the same GPUs that are supported by external graphics processors (eGPUs). If you use Boot Camp and want to install a NVIDIA card to use in Windows on your Mac, don't install the card in slot 2. Learn about using AMD graphics cards with Microsoft Windows on Mac Pro (2019). ..."
"..he PCIe bus on your Mac Pro provides up to 300W auxillary power. If your PCIe card requires additional power, such as a GPU, use the Belkin Aux Power Cable. ..."
A decent amount of the doom and gloom will die down once folks can digest all that Apple put out ( that they have been sitting on for the last 2-6 months or so . )
Or maybe not for some folks.
"... If you use Boot Camp, using a Radeon MPX Module and a third-party AMD graphics card isn't supported when your Mac is using Windows. Learn about using AMD graphics cards with Microsoft Windows on Mac Pro (2019). "
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210408
The whole " cards will just work off the shelf with zero problems" vibe that has been bubbling around these forums by some for the last 1-2 years .... really sounded too good to be true. And it was/is.
If this is implying that third party cards don't get boot screens on the 2019... I'm pretty sure they do from what I've heard. But people should wait until someone tries it before making purchasing decisions.
Third party cards get boot screens over Thunderbolt on the Mini. It would be strange if Apple changed directions on the Mac Pro, especially with official support given.
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It's a real problem. But it reads like a Windows bug to me. Windows has all sorts of funny issues with Thunderbolt and multiple GPUs in general.
Could be a driver issue as well with Apple's drivers vs AMD's OEM drivers. But that affects any Mac, including the cMP. It's just that this Mac got a support doc.
Congrats on that ... that's still about 8k CDN. Here, a base model ( with 1tb storage upgrade ) is 9.3k ...
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I just put a 72TB volume onto my home PC, using 12 TB drives in RAID-6 with a hot spare.
Spinners are still relevant, in spite of arrogant slams against them.
(My PC also has 10 TB of SSDs for the stuff that needs speed.)
I've got nothing against spinners, but I do question the modern utility of internal spinners (which is what the poster you've replied to said). I've got about the same amount of spinning rust storage at my home as well, but it's in a nice enclosure with hot swap drive bays and a filesystem that's suitable for long-term data storage (zfs). I find 10gbit ethernet to be more than adequate for accessing it (plus I enjoy being able to hit it easily from all my machines.
Are there EPYC mobos with 16 or more PCIe slots?
Didn't think so.
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I did say "onto", not "into".
Some people here do disparage spinners - without acknowledging that when you hit on the order of hundreds of TB of storage that SSD prices are absurd if you don't need the speed.
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Are there EPYC mobos with 16 or more PCIe slots?
Didn't think so.
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I did say "onto", not "into".
Some people here do disparage spinners - without acknowledging that when you hit on the order of hundreds of TB of storage that SSD prices are absurd if you don't need the speed.
big and slow tier absolutely but almost everyone asking around here has fewer than five total drives and maybe two in an array. Very different situation.
Yes, a NAS/SAN with 10Gb LAN or something like a QNAP with TB3 as network interface makes more sense in this scenario, especially when more than one user want to access the media files at one time. For smaller studios/shops or even independents, the cost of these have come down very reasonably compared to say optic fibre solutions.
That said, I do see some workflows are better off with at least a dual internal HDD RAID1 array, which the MP motherboard already offers two internal SATA ports for. I personally think the 4 bay add-on that takes up the PCI slots' space is a waste, unless you put 4 high capacity enterprise SATA SSDs in there.
Great.
Unless you put them physically inside your PC, that’s irrelevant to what I said. Did you even read what you quoted?
I use mechanical drives for mass storage, TM backups etc. But they’re in an external case with easily swappable trays.
That was my point: mechanical drives are better suited to external dedicated cases, not the inside of a machine you have to turn off to swap them out.
But hey thanks for making claims about arrogance without even reading what I wrote, this was fun!
One other interesting detail I noticed last night: the specs document lists the details of the "coming soon" stuff too, such as the W5700X graphics card. That one specifically (and no others) says it supports DisplayPort DSC - which is "visually lossless" compression, allowing e.g. 8K@60Hz over a single DP1.4 link.
I'm not the target market for that kind of screen resolution/size, but I wonder if support for it coming into cards might mean the likes of the big 8K Dell display will adopt the tech, allowing for a single cable connection without relying on TB3 (which is definitely less popular on PCs).
I'm not the target market for that kind of screen resolution/size, but I wonder if support for it coming into cards might mean the likes of the big 8K Dell display will adopt the tech, allowing for a single cable connection without relying on TB3 (which is definitely less popular on PCs).
I was implying more so that don't cover all the boot operations that the standard Mac help docs say a Mac should typically should cover. Boot , recovery , boot into other OS , etc.
The corner cases are getting smaller, but I don't think they are going to disappear completely. I think that many will be happy with "happens to look like it works" and Apple won't dot all the i's and cross all the t's for the edge cases.
This thread made it past 610 pages before Apple released a new Mac Pro and this wasn't even the first thread, suck on that Mac Mini:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-new-mac-mini-is-almost-certainly-coming.1681773/page-610
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-new-mac-mini-is-almost-certainly-coming.1681773/page-610
The Dell UP3218K is an SST monitor using two DP inputs. Apple doesn’t support it so it only runs off one DP1.4 cable at 7680x4320@30Hz. They could ... if they wanted.
Right, but DSC would enable it to run 8K @ 60Hz from a single cable, is what I was getting at. Whether Apple would actually support it is another thing - but e.g. DSC might allow some future version (or even a firmware update) to allow the Pro Display XDR to run at native 6K over a single USB-C connection, rather than needing a TB3 connection.
I just found it interesting that this one specific, middle of the pack video card mentions that tech specifically. I guess it's slightly newer than the VegaII's so maybe that's why it has DSC support and they apparently don't...
Can this be done with any video card?
> You can use Radeon MPX Modules along with other third-party PCIe graphics cards.
from PCIe cards you can install in your Mac Pro (2019)
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You mean routing DP streams to the "system" TB3 ports (i.e. the ones on the Apple I/O card and top of the case)? I don't believe so - I think that's part of what the additional PCIe lanes of the MPX modules are used for.
And it's interesting (but logical) to note: the 580X routes four streams of DP to the "system" ports - presumably because it provides no TB3 ports directly on the card itself.
All the other MPX cards provide 4x TB3 ports themselves, and they only route 2 streams of DP to the "system" ports.
interisting article... https://www.livemint.com/technology...c-pro-computer-here-s-why-11576050954091.html
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