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"Apple is planning to launch an e-sports-centric PC next year with a unit price of up to $ 5,000"
I am talking about "e-sports" market, which article says the market Apple is about to chase after. Not the gaming market as a whole. Apple already has a big presence in gaming market since mobile gaming market is already huge.
Blizzard when World of Warcraft was launching thought that after first, free month they will have 250 thousand players, that will buy subscription.
After 3 weeks, while the first, free months were running, they had 20 times that number of subscriptions. 5 000 000 subscriptions.
Don't underestimate gaming communities, ever.
Everybody who beliefs that E-sport will grow that slowly is either short sighted or delusional. There is a good reason why this is fastest growing market, of them all.
What are you even arguing about lol.
Apple doesn't have to create dedicated mac to chase after that market. I am sure Apple is interested in gaming market, but they are not going to pursue in a way that the article is stating.
Actually, this rumor has Sense, as Apple needs to push gaming on Metal, and it will attract developers to re-build current iOS games to macOS as its relatively cheap, with the upscale market which the imMP target, Apple also has market for a less expensive model for non-pros (or prosumers) which actually are more used to gaming, is a thing that could spread across all it's ecosystem (tvOS also is featured as a gaming platform).
Of course this is not a thing narcissist Apple purist could assimilate, neither assimilate Apple has evidently considering AMD CPUs.
Remember pre- Mac pro reveal leaks pointing Apple was developing two Mac Pro, one of such "Mac pro" with a single GPU and compact form factor.
I don't know if there is a trashcan re-boot, I would love this gaming Mac to be modular and compatible with imMP cartdriges, but this Mac if coming, needs a single powerful GPU and powerful CPU with no thermal corners, likely won't be modular this grants the trashcan a second chance, but who knows if it's just an scaled down imMP
Who cares about 2 Trillion $ ... And the required investment it's much less than the already done in media production .
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Ikea, Google this "Ikea Mac Pro"... And laugh
This is so idiotic.
This from iFixit first impressions is even worst, awful and dirty.
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Ah he invented the "imMP"? I didn't know.
What is Milhouse?
It looks like Ikea people were looking for some fun?
I don't know if they will raise their sales this way.
Most of their clients do not know what a Mac Pro is about.
Ikea cheesegrater is very funny - and looks like it's real - someone at Ikea knows Macs and has a sense of humor... I wonder how many folks will get it (do most people know what a current Mac Pro looks like?)
On the gaming Mac idea, I sincerely hope not - not because I mind the hardware being out there, but because getting top games to perform at an e-sports level requires compromises in the operating system. If Apple says "fine, we'll build the hardware, but we won't make concessions to games in MacOS", they'll have a nice gaming PC that is substantially slower than Windows alternatives - even if they offer the latest Nvidia cards and have a good, stable driver similar to their current AMD driver.
Getting games to really perform requires three things Apple won't do, and I think they're right not to.
1.) Lower-level hardware access. Games don't want to go through documented OS calls when there's a faster way of doing things... Unfortunately, that both inherently destabilizes the system and is a boon for malware authors who also want to access the system at a lower level.
2.) A tolerance for hardware run close to the edge. It's well known that Macs are somewhat slower than Windows PCs using the same hardware on low-level benchmarks. They're sometimes faster in real-world tasks because some parts of MacOS are more efficient than Windows, and Macs aren't as burdened by security software (necessary) or bloatware (not necessary, but installed on many PCs). Part of Macs' lesser benchmark performance is due to sleek designs that are not as well cooled, but it's also because Apple runs hardware conservatively (overclocking friendly processors not overclocked, for example). Even if there were a Mac with Nvidia graphics, it would run them at stock clocks that essentially no PC gaming card uses. They all have mild factory overclocks, and the stuff competitive esports uses is significantly overclocked.
3.) A willingness to use unstable drivers - closely related to the hardware close to the edge. Apple's highly stable AMD driver is essentially a workstation driver - optimized for stability instead of performance. What it's closer to than anything else is Nvidia's new Studio driver program aimed at creative types. Nvidia themselves say that trying to game on Studio drivers incurs a performance hit (I think they say it averages 5-10%). Apple would either have to keep making Studio-type drivers and accept that hit or accept the instability of a gaming driver.
I suspect that, because of items 2 and 3 alone (if top games came to MacOS and somehow performed well despite the OS, eliminating item 1), a gaming Mac using Apple's known philosophies would be about 15% slower than a comparable gaming-optimized PC. Once you add in the highly variable effect of the OS forcing slower, but stable ways of doing things, it could be anywhere from 15% overall (where the OS doesn't matter) to 30% overall (where a highly desirable hack is eliminated).
The alternative is that they make the stability concessions to games that they have refused until now. This makes Macs less stable for all of us who either don't game at all or game only casually.
I suppose that the third option is an Apple-sponsored esports league, where everybody has to use the same Apple hardware and the performance hit is just part of the rules (baseball banned the spitball, after all). I suspect they'd have to offer huge prizes to lure serious competitors away from higher-performance leagues (how many top real-world drivers choose to drive Formula 2???)...
On the gaming Mac idea, I sincerely hope not - not because I mind the hardware being out there, but because getting top games to perform at an e-sports level requires compromises in the operating system. If Apple says "fine, we'll build the hardware, but we won't make concessions to games in MacOS", they'll have a nice gaming PC that is substantially slower than Windows alternatives - even if they offer the latest Nvidia cards and have a good, stable driver similar to their current AMD driver.
Getting games to really perform requires three things Apple won't do, and I think they're right not to.
1.) Lower-level hardware access. Games don't want to go through documented OS calls when there's a faster way of doing things... Unfortunately, that both inherently destabilizes the system and is a boon for malware authors who also want to access the system at a lower level.
2.) A tolerance for hardware run close to the edge. It's well known that Macs are somewhat slower than Windows PCs using the same hardware on low-level benchmarks. They're sometimes faster in real-world tasks because some parts of MacOS are more efficient than Windows, and Macs aren't as burdened by security software (necessary) or bloatware (not necessary, but installed on many PCs). Part of Macs' lesser benchmark performance is due to sleek designs that are not as well cooled, but it's also because Apple runs hardware conservatively (overclocking friendly processors not overclocked, for example). Even if there were a Mac with Nvidia graphics, it would run them at stock clocks that essentially no PC gaming card uses. They all have mild factory overclocks, and the stuff competitive esports uses is significantly overclocked.
3.) A willingness to use unstable drivers - closely related to the hardware close to the edge. Apple's highly stable AMD driver is essentially a workstation driver - optimized for stability instead of performance. What it's closer to than anything else is Nvidia's new Studio driver program aimed at creative types. Nvidia themselves say that trying to game on Studio drivers incurs a performance hit (I think they say it averages 5-10%). Apple would either have to keep making Studio-type drivers and accept that hit or accept the instability of a gaming driver.
I suspect that, because of items 2 and 3 alone (if top games came to MacOS and somehow performed well despite the OS, eliminating item 1), a gaming Mac using Apple's known philosophies would be about 15% slower than a comparable gaming-optimized PC. Once you add in the highly variable effect of the OS forcing slower, but stable ways of doing things, it could be anywhere from 15% overall (where the OS doesn't matter) to 30% overall (where a highly desirable hack is eliminated).
The alternative is that they make the stability concessions to games that they have refused until now. This makes Macs less stable for all of us who either don't game at all or game only casually.
I suppose that the third option is an Apple-sponsored esports league, where everybody has to use the same Apple hardware and the performance hit is just part of the rules (baseball banned the spitball, after all). I suspect they'd have to offer huge prizes to lure serious competitors away from higher-performance leagues (how many top real-world drivers choose to drive Formula 2???)...
You read my mind.
An Apple-backed eSports league will be more like euro GT3 auto sports as windows eSports are more like NASCAR, each league whit it's own rules and segregated fan crowd, as in gt3 you can't have more than 300hp a macOS eSport league will restrict to apple certified hardware, API, driver's etc, with competitivity focused on game knowledge, external factors as network latency, displays and having the latest stable Mac and gaming peripherals.
I think someone spiked everyone’s egg nogs here.
I’ll believe Apple is serious about hardcore gaming, let alone casual gaming, when they actually hire someone to run that kind of initiative. They have no one who would meaningfully get Apple friendlier in that market a the c-level and even a Mac designed for gaming wouldnt be competitive with the crowd that treats their PC like a lightsaber to be crafted.
i highly doubt there’s some redo of tube Mac pro coming versus people still hoping fake rumors could become real.
i highly doubt there’s some redo of tube Mac pro coming versus people still hoping fake rumors could become real.
2020 iMac: 21 & 27" bezel "less" new unibody, AMD custom APU 8 cores, Zen 2 upto 12 cores + rx5x00 no ECC RAM support. T3
2020 iMac Pro 21 & 27" also bezel "less" but custom cooling, 12-16 cores Zen 2 + W5500, 24-32-48 {64?} Threadripper 3 + W5700/W5x00 no Vegas, ECC RAM as bto. (DIY?). T3
All iMac with 3D ToF face unlock and UHD web cam capabilities.
2020 Mac Mini, same APU as nw iMac 21.T3 ee the same.
T3 SMC with TPU NPU 5-8 tops.
Wired Magic Keyboard Pro Thunderbolt 3 (mechanical switches/touchbar/eink keycaps?)
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2020 iMac Pro 21 & 27" also bezel "less" but custom cooling, 12-16 cores Zen 2 + W5500, 24-32-48 {64?} Threadripper 3 + W5700/W5x00 no Vegas, ECC RAM as bto. (DIY?). T3
All iMac with 3D ToF face unlock and UHD web cam capabilities.
2020 Mac Mini, same APU as nw iMac 21.T3 ee the same.
T3 SMC with TPU NPU 5-8 tops.
Wired Magic Keyboard Pro Thunderbolt 3 (mechanical switches/touchbar/eink keycaps?)
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Your track record thus far is pretty poor in the prediction department. ?
Yeah, I never mentioned the Mac Pro to include a custom pcie extension for tb3 built-in it's mpx cartdriges ehem modules... Sometimes things surprise us.
Wasn’t part of that prediction that they would be completely custom slots and not PCIe compliant? And that they would be in an AMD Mac?