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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

rdav said:
Yes - corrected* (thanks). Was quoting the adjacent MacBook-Pro "days since release". Still way too long of course.
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:), welcome.
Anyway, no matter the exact number of days, the result is the same and the disappointment is widespread.
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koyoot said:
Want to know what would be great addition to Mac Pro 7.1, IMO?

http://coolchiptechnologies.com/cooling-products/high-performance/

This looks like absolutely perfect thing for Mac Pro.
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This is like the new Apple campus with a fan in the middle...:)
 
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koyoot said:
This looks like absolutely perfect thing for Mac Pro.
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There is a reason why only about 2 products have launched with this design in the last 4 years. And where in the Mac Pro 7.1 would you put it? It is ment to be attached directly to the CPU heatspreader and the current trashcan and its future sibling does not use an architecture to support such a thing (i take for granted that if Apple update the Mac Pro they will not rearchitect the trashcan architecture).

So, in what way would this be perfect for the Mac Pro?
 
iMcLovin said:
Well the only reason why that guy on the video didnt compare it with the 12 core Mac Pro is because he wanted to at least try to keep the prices comparable. And, that should be an important factor. THat for the price of a 6 core Mac Pro you can get a pc workstation that performs a lot faster.

But, ok lets compare apples with apples then. I bought a PC for about half the price of the compared Mac Pro from the video. It has 6 cores of Broadwell-E - so the same amount of cores and threads as the Mac Pro. My photoshop benchmar took 9 seconds, so thats about 2/3 of the time it took the Mac Pro machine that cost TWICE as much. In addition I have a GPU that performs 5x as as good as the Mac Pro. THeres really no point in arguing that well, the Mac Pro has Dual GPU, because those dual GPUs are rarely used in any programs and even if they were they would perform less than a GTX 1080. Then ram, I have twice as much ram as what you can actually get on the Mac Pro which in addition is DDR 4 and 1000mhz faster....and I could keep going...

So, yes I understand he was comparing two different kind of machines, but he was trying to make a point from a pricepoint perspective. And even if he bought the ridiculous 1500$ more expensive 12 core, the PC would still run circles around the Mac Pro.

So no matter how you compare, from price, hardware or any kind of way, it simply doesnt justify buying the Mac Pro. And honestly, cars yes they make cosmetic changes in between big cycles, but thats an industry that has been around a lot longer with more incremental changes...and dare I say, more complex constructional costs. And apple doesnt even make their own internals, the hardware is available, they just like to sell you the old stuff...I honestly find it peculiar, how they still get those parts. I would assume for Intel to deliver apple 3 year old Xeons would be more costly than to give them new ones, since they are mass producing new models.
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To be fair, should the max pro be updated in a few days, the comparison of Ivy Bridge in the 6.1 to Broadwell in a PC workstation will have been very short lived.

I totally agree on the basic point of selling 3 year old equipment for new prices. Car deals might kind of do that and succeed with a couple suckers, but no, in general that doesn't happen.
 
wallysb01 said:
To be fair, should the max pro be updated in a few days, the comparison of Ivy Bridge in the 6.1 to Broadwell in a PC workstation will have been very short lived.

I totally agree on the basic point of selling 3 year old equipment for new prices. Car deals might kind of do that and succeed with a couple suckers, but no, in general that doesn't happen.
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Of course and my machine could be slow compared to what's cooking in nvidia and intels labs. But since nobody knows what that is you kinda have to use what's on the market as a benchmark. So to be really "fair", you can't excuse the inexcusable by saying IF they release something soon which there really isn't even any evidence of. But for the sake of Pro users I hope they do.
On the other hand, WHEN/IF the Mac Pro ever gets an update I surely hope apple give the users a bit more options than exists today. There's a very small amount of programs that utilize SLI and the magnitude of Xeon processors. Apple should offer users more than a fcpx/render machine components or laptop internals (iMac and the rest). SLI is good for a few programs and games but Mac OS isn't great for games anyway. apple should also offer machines with single gpu desktop class hardware (like gtx 1080 and titan x or quadro). I would think a bigger group of Mac Pro users would benefit more from that than mid range SLI gpus. Or prosumer cards with high clock speed 4, 6 or 10 core cpus. It's very strange that apple doesn't offer any of this it's either mobile or top tier outdated.
 
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iMcLovin said:
Of course and my machine could be slow compared to what's cooking in nvidia and intels labs. But since nobody knows what that is you kinda have to use what's on the market as a benchmark. So to be really "fair", you can't excuse the inexcusable by saying IF they release something soon which there really isn't even any evidence of. But for the sake of Pro users I hope they do.
On the other hand, WHEN/IF the Mac Pro ever gets an update I surely hope apple give the users a bit more options than exists today. There's a very small amount of programs that utilize SLI and the magnitude of Xeon processors. Apple should offer users more than a fcpx/render machine components or laptop internals (iMac and the rest). SLI is good for a few programs and games but Mac OS isn't great for games anyway. apple should also offer machines with single gpu desktop class hardware (like gtx 1080 and titan x or quadro). I would think a bigger group of Mac Pro users would benefit more from that than mid range SLI gpus. Or prosumer cards with high clock speed 4, 6 or 10 core cpus. It's very strange that apple doesn't offer any of this it's either mobile or top tier outdated.
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Look, don't get me wrong here, I greatly dislike the nMP and the long waits make it even worse. However, on the practical side, we're so close to a target date to know if the nMP is going to happen in the short term or not, that benchmarking the current model vs. the latest on the PC side, that it self is only about a month past wide availability, is kind of meaningless. Or to say it another way, for the folks that might want nMP, they are going to wait until Oct 27th to decide regardless of the benchmark results of the current model.

Eight more days is what fraction of 1000 and what ever... that's my point here. If Apple doesn't say a word on the nMP or do a silent update, then sure, the benchmarking against broadwell workstations we regain some meaning. But right now, its just not impacting anyone's choices.
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koyoot said:
For consumers, the performance is absolutely astonishing.
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That price though, yikes. At what point do you just RAID stuff...
 
ManuelGomes said:
Now, 2TB on the nMP would be nice
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10754/samsung-960-pro-ssd-review
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Already reality since one year for me:
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I don't remember Apple applied proprietary versions of mass data storage before their PCIE-SSD's. SCSI, IDE, SATA, one could change drives as one liked.

This is a new quality of restriction, they've never done before. F**** Apple.
 
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Synchro3 said:
I don't remember Apple applied proprietary versions of mass data storage before their PCIE-SSD's. SCSI, IDE, SATA, one could change drives as one liked.

This is a new quality of restriction, they've never done before. F**** Apple.
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Well, to be fair to them, you're basically saying "stick with slower storage until everyone else gets their act together."

Apple was years ahead of most PC vendors in offering PCIe flash storage, and still is in that it's across their product lines, with the painful exception of their entry-level Mac mini and iMac.

At this point, I do agree that they could switch to m.2 with no loss to their customers and some gain, but I don't begrudge them for offering us something better before everyone else was ready; the m.2 spec was only finalized in late 2013, months after Apple had already shipped its MBP and MacBook Airs with PCIe storage.
 
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Synchro3 said:
… one could change drives as one liked.
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Well, there had been the Apple HD SC utility which did work only with "Apple blessed" disks. However you could patch this or use third party tools to initialize other disks and it was not really a physical restriction.

Then there were the internal disks in the iMacs which had to deliver a temperature signal else the fan would spin like crazy.

So Apple was never too shy to fix things that were not broken at all. ;-) But I agree with you, there was a time when Apple was much more relaxed about putting third party stuff into their machines.

I would like to see standard M.2 connectors in the next MP, too. Yeah, I would like this very much.
 
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tomvos said:
I would like to see standard M.2 connectors in the next MP, too. Yeah, I would like this very much.
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I don't think this is happening. :(

I'm pretty sure we'll either see an update or a discontinuation notice at the next event. No news wouldn't be the worst thing, if they were going to discontinue they'd yank it down from the store or announce. But I think we'll hear something.

(I'd give better odds to update right now.)
 
My theory: I know apple talked about using apple watch to unlock macbook security...using the watch to put mac on wake mode. Do you think they might try that with other macs as well? including mac pro?


Nvm
 
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pat500000 said:
My theory: I know apple talked about using apple watch to unlock macbook security...using the watch to put mac on wake mode. Do you think they might try that with other macs as well? including mac pro?

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Well, since you already can, pretty sure it will still work for upcoming Mac:s
 
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My theory: I know apple talked about using apple watch to unlock macbook security...using the watch to put mac on wake mode. Do you think they might try that with other macs as well? including mac pro?
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You'll have to guess the number of days since the last Mac Pro update with a passcode. 5 digits minimum of course. :)
 
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The Accidental Tech Podcast tipster is saying we won't get a Mac Pro refresh until Skylake-E, which honestly makes sense at this point.

Still disappointing, and it's clear that they'll have burned all potential goodwill in the meantime. You can either have infrequent updates or an opaque release schedule, but not both.

It's still possible we haven't heard anything because there are no Chinese parts to leak, but I'm still betting against a new Mac Pro (and honestly at this point the odds are heavily in favor of any "no" answer anyway.)

The very least they could do is drop the price and/or BTO options like they did the 2012 5,1s...
 
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fuchsdh said:
The Accidental Tech Podcast tipster is saying we won't get a Mac Pro refresh until Skylake-E, which honestly makes sense at this point.

Still disappointing, and it's clear that they'll have burned all potential goodwill in the meantime. You can either have infrequent updates or a transparent release schedule, but not both.

It's still possible we haven't heard anything because there are no Chinese parts to leak, but I'm still betting against a new Mac Pro (and honestly at this point the odds are heavily in favor of any "no" answer anyway.)

The very least they could do is drop the price and/or BTO options like they did the 2012 5,1s...
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Thanks to Apple, hp welcomed me wth z 840. Not that I wanted to, but it appears Apple been passive with Pro users. Because some people in this forum stated that apple and intel agreement this year already expired....there wouldn't be any xeons.
 
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