Waiting till Day 600.

[paulrbeers]

I said 600 because I think the Mac Pro has never been updated after so long? So, 600 days would be a decent number of days to take a decision regarding what to do, if I should find an alternative (Pc etc)..

While true it has never been this long since an update, but the issue is that INTEL has never waited this long between Xeon processor updates... Apple can't release a new model without new processors.

The More You Know....

 

[xgman]

While true it has never been this long since an update, but the issue is that INTEL has never waited this long between Xeon processor updates... Apple can't release a new model without new processors.

The More You Know....

Yes Intel is the weak link here, but that said, Apple should and may very well be looking to alternatives, even though they don't really appear to be any as such. In any case this waiting pretty much stinks all round.

 

[paulrbeers]

Yes Intel is the weak link here, but that said, Apple should and may very well be looking to alternatives, even though they don't really appear to be any as such. In any case this waiting pretty much stinks all round.

Sooo they should look for alternatives even thought there really aren't any......

 

[goMac]

Yes Intel is the weak link here, but that said, Apple should and may very well be looking to alternatives, even though they don't really appear to be any as such. In any case this waiting pretty much stinks all round.

I don't think there are alternatives. Intel still has the fastest chips, and does the entire design of the Mac Pro.

 

[Garamond]

I'm sitting on my hands waiting for the MacPro refresh too. I'm the owner of a current Early 2008 8-Core MP.

It's still serving me well, but every minute I can save on rendering and compiling is time I can spend doing something else.

Posts like this always makes me wonder why people doesn't buy a new rig if they need it. Instead we get all these waiting-threads, which helps nobody.

 

[dh2005]

Only a chump would knowingly pay 2010 prices for a computer in 2012. That's why I won't buy a 2010 Mac Pro: I'm not a chump.

I too am notionally 'waiting' for the new Pro, even though I won't have the money in my hands for another month. If the new Pro isn't here by then, I'll probably jump ship... in fact, as an act of solidarity with the OP, I might adopt Day 600 as my deadline, too. Seems as good a landmark as any other.


For those who don't understand why anybody would wait for such a thing: I'm waiting because, ideally, I'd like my next computer to be a Mac Pro and - if speculation is to be believed - an update is imminent. But I won't wait forever.



EDIT: Right. There we go!

Hope you don't mind, OP, but I've anointed myself your second-in-command. According to my maths, Day 600 itself is a Sunday, so I reckon we should give them 'til Monday morning...!

 

[philipma1957]

Posts like this always makes me wonder why people doesn't buy a new rig if they need it. Instead we get all these waiting-threads, which helps nobody.

people wait because they don't want to buy a 6000 dollar rig like yours and 60 days later the new one it 50% better for the same price.

Now waiting for some pays off for others no. If you purchased a quad 2010 on sept 1 2011. you could have dropped in a w3680 cpu for 400 after selling the quad cpu so you would have a hex for 2600 you could have purchased 4 2tb western digital hdds for about 500 and for around 3100 you would have a killer machine that would have been a decent deal.

why because at that time hdds were pre flood prices. and the 5870 graphics card was still holding its own against newer graphics cards.


so anyone on the fence on sept 1 2011 should have purchased the above.

if you are on the fence today and need good graphics you should wait. here is why the 7970 cards may work really well in the 2012 mac pro. buying a 2010 today is higher risk since the 7970 gpu cards appear to be killer units.

when the 2010 mac pro came out the 5870 gpu was a very good card. to this day it is not a bad card. when compared to any other radeon the only ones that clearly beat it are the 7970.

 

[xgman]

Sooo they should look for alternatives even thought there really aren't any......

Well they should always be looking ahead. I would not be surprised to eventually see some sort of pro hybrid machine from Apple. Maybe not this year but if they eventually drop the server based cpu boxes, they will need some other avenue to make up for it right? I don't necessarily need Xeons and ECC ram. I need flexibility in the box and power, bit am not married to the rest. Time will tell.

 

[LostSoul80]

If you're using a 2005 computer, are you sure you *need* the horsepower of a Mac Pro? Why don't you opt for an iMac or even a Mini.

 

[v2kea412]

I guess it all depends... I am thinking about pulling the trigger on a 13" mbp... the only thing really making me feel as though it isnt a good decision is that poor resolution they stuck in for the screen... I would love to wait it out and see a change in the new MBP 13", but people wanted that last refresh and never got it...

 

[dh2005]

I guess it all depends... I am thinking about pulling the trigger on a 13" mbp... the only thing really making me feel as though it isnt a good decision is that poor resolution they stuck in for the screen... I would love to wait it out and see a change in the new MBP 13", but people wanted that last refresh and never got it...

I'm using one right now, and the resolution's entirely appropriate for the rest of the hardware. Bear in mind that these things have pretty dismal GPUs, so driving the res too high won't be feasible for many activities. Sure, I'd prefer it if it were sharper; for text etc., but it's not an issue unless you make it one. No personal criticism intended.


Also - in my opinion - Apple don't want to make the 13" MBP too sexy, otherwise fewer people would buy the 15" model. I got caught between them myself; thinking that the larger, higher-definition display with the far-superior GPU would be preferable. It was another £600, and I just couldn't justify it; but many people would be tempted.

 

[goMac]

I'm sitting on my hands waiting for the MacPro refresh too. I'm the owner of a current Early 2008 8-Core MP.

It's still serving me well, but every minute I can save on rendering and compiling is time I can spend doing something else.

To add to the replies, have you ever considered all the time you've lost by using a slower 2008 Mac Pro and not buying a 2010 vs. the total time you'd get back by using a 2012?

For someone so concerned with rendering time, you don't seem to be in a rush to get off your 2008, and seem to be fine with wasting time on that machine.

 

[wallysb01]

To add to the replies, have you ever considered all the time you've lost by using a slower 2008 Mac Pro and not buying a 2010 vs. the total time you'd get back by using a 2012?

For someone so concerned with rendering time, you don't seem to be in a rush to get off your 2008, and seem to be fine with wasting time on that machine.

And if you're really that busy, why don't you just keep the 2008 AND buy the 2010? Or if its that the 2008 might run everything just fine, but not entirely fast enough, and the Mac Mini or iMac would also run everything just fine but not that fast, might it be better to have a 2011 iMac/Mac mini and the 2008 Mac Pro, then having just a 2012 Mac Pro?

 

[iNeedAMacPro]

And if you're really that busy, why don't you just keep the 2008 AND buy the 2010? Or if its that the 2008 might run everything just fine, but not entirely fast enough, and the Mac Mini or iMac would also run everything just fine but not that fast, might it be better to have a 2011 iMac/Mac mini and the 2008 Mac Pro, then having just a 2012 Mac Pro?

I don't get why people come up with these answers..first this is the Mac Pro forum so if I wrote here it means that yes I need a great amount of ram and fast processors for my job (musician).

 

[theSeb]

I don't get why people come up with these answers..first this is the Mac Pro forum so if I wrote here it means that yes I need a great amount of ram and fast processors for my job (musician).

An iMac with i7 3.4 with 32 GBs is a lot faster than your mac pro. How much more memory do you need?

 

[dh2005]

Or if its that the 2008 might run everything just fine, but not entirely fast enough, and the Mac Mini or iMac would also run everything just fine but not that fast, might it be better to have a 2011 iMac/Mac mini and the 2008 Mac Pro, then having just a 2012 Mac Pro?

What?!

Suggesting that a 2011 Mac Mini might be - in any way - a substitute for a 2012 Mac Pro is cretinous. Excuse me, but it is. Might as well use an abacus.

 

[wallysb01]

I don't get why people come up with these answers..first this is the Mac Pro forum so if I wrote here it means that yes I need a great amount of ram and fast processors for my job (musician).

Hey, I understand. I have 96 GB of RAM in the machine I work on, but in reality I only need more than about 30 GB of RAM maybe a quarter of the time. So, if you're anything like me, the second computer could be quite useful in off loading some of the less intensive tasks.

Also, didn't you say you have a 2008 Mac Pro? Aren't those capped at 32 GB of RAM anyway, the same as the current iMac? So do you need more RAM than that?

And what do you really expect to get. You're asking for something that just isn't ready yet. Would you rather have AMD chips then xeons in the Mac Pro?

If waiting is really this hard on you, get a used/refurb base 2010, put the hex-core chip in it and be happy. It will smoke your current machine. And while it will be slower than the would be 2012 Mac Pro, it wouldn't won't by any means just turn slow the day its released. And if you have to have the 2012, just sell your 2010. The Mac Pro doesn't depreciate much, so you won't be losing much by doing that.

 

[dh2005]

Hey, I understand. I have 96 GB of RAM in the machine I work on, but in reality I only need more than about 30 GB of RAM maybe a quarter of the time. So, if you're anything like me, the second computer could be quite useful in off loading some of the less intensive tasks.

Also, didn't you say you have a 2008 Mac Pro? Aren't those capped at 32 GB of RAM anyway, the same as the current iMac? So do you need more RAM than that?

And what do you really expect to get. You're asking for something that just isn't ready yet. Would you rather have AMD chips then xeons in the Mac Pro?

If waiting is really this hard on you, get a used/refurb base 2010, put the hex-core chip in it and be happy. It will smoke your current machine. And while it will be slower than the would be 2012 Mac Pro, it wouldn't won't by any means just turn slow the day its released. And if you have to have the 2012, just sell your 2010. The Mac Pro doesn't depreciate much, so you won't be losing much by doing that.

Whereas that is not cretinous at all.

But still - with the update so (apparently) imminent - why not wait a few weeks?

 

[wallysb01]

What?!

Suggesting that a 2011 Mac Mini might be - in any way - a substitute for a 2012 Mac Pro is cretinous. Excuse me, but it is. Might as well use an abacus.

Sure, that's true, but that's not what I said. Please, before you get your panties in a knot, try reading my post again.

 

[dh2005]

Sure, that's true, but that's not what I said. Please, before you get your panties in a knot, try reading my post again.

I read it three times before I posted, and it wasn't clear to me. Please, do clarify if you feel that I've misinterpreted you.

 

[wallysb01]

I read it three times before I posted, and it wasn't clear to me. Please, do clarify if you feel that I've misinterpreted you.

Did you read anything about an iMac or Mac Mini replacing a 2012 Mac Pro?

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But still - with the update so (apparently) imminent - why not wait a few weeks?

If its just a few weeks, why complain so much?

 

[dh2005]

Did you read anything about an iMac or Mac Mini replacing a 2012 Mac Pro?

I'm sure the thought has brilliant clarity in your head: after all, it was your thought. But when I read your post, there was a suggestion that you were implying that a person who was waiting for a 2012 Mac Pro would do better to buy a 2011 Mac Mini.

Now please, instead of trying to look clever, tell me what you meant. If I agree with you, I will say so.

 

[wallysb01]

I'm sure the thought has brilliant clarity in your head: after all, it was your thought. But when I read your post, there was a suggestion that you were implying that a person who was waiting for a 2012 Mac Pro would do better to buy a 2011 Mac Mini.

Now please, instead of trying to look clever, tell me what you meant. If I agree with you, I will say so.

Pal, you're the one telling me I'm being cretinous. I'm not trying to be clever, I'm just not doing the guy calling me cretinous and asking for clarification any favors. Apparently, you have some reading comprehension troubles along with a lack of personal skills, but let me put this as simply as I possibly can:

He is WAITING for a Mac Pro 2012 and complaining that he NEEDS IT NOW. Well, its not here NOW. SOOOO, if his 2005 Dell can do the job at all (I made a mistake he does not seem to have 2008 Mac Pro), then certainly so can the 2011 iMac or Mac Mini. Without any explanation from this guy on what he needs, there is a very, very small chance other machines in the Mac line up can not quite adequately do the jobs he needs doing.

Maybe next time, if something isn't clear to you, you hold off on telling someone they are being cretinous until you get it explained to you. There are a lot of possibilities out there when you don't understand something, jumping to the assumption that someone is being cretinous is not going to help you understand what others are saying to you.

 

[dh2005]

Pal, you're the one telling me I'm being cretinous. I'm not trying to be clever, I'm just not doing the guy calling me cretinous and asking for clarification any favors. Apparently, you have some reading comprehension troubles along with a lack of personal skills, but let me put this as simply as I possibly can:

He is WAITING for a Mac Pro 2012 and complaining that he NEEDS IT NOW. Well, its not here NOW. SOOOO, if his 2005 Dell can do the job at all (I made a mistake he does not seem to have 2008 Mac Pro), then certainly so can the 2011 iMac or Mac Mini. Without any explanation from this guy on what he needs, there is a very, very small chance other machines in the Mac line up can not quite adequately do the jobs he needs doing.

Maybe next time, if something isn't clear to you, you hold off on telling someone they are being cretinous until you get it explained to you. There are a lot of possibilities out there when you don't understand something, jumping to the assumption that someone is being cretinous is not going to help you understand what others are saying to you.

For someone so confrontational, you're awfully sensitive. That's not a great combination. I don't mean that to insult you - I just mean that it's gonna get you into fights and stress you out.


Your post lacked clarity and, on balance, seemed to be suggesting something that I found ridiculous: particularly as you were referencing his current ownership of a 2008 Mac Pro, which was material to my response. But nobody's perfect. So I apologise. You're welcome to insult me once, for free. I won't rise to it.

 

[wallysb01]

For someone so confrontational, you're awfully sensitive. That's not a great combination. I don't mean that to insult you - I just mean that it's gonna get you into fights and stress you out.


Your post lacked clarity and, on balance, seemed to be suggesting something that I found ridiculous: particularly as you were referencing his current ownership of a 2008 Mac Pro, which was material to my response. But nobody's perfect. So I apologise. You're welcome to insult me once, for free. I won't rise to it.

Interesting that I'm confrontational while being told I'm cretinous. You'll have to excuse me if you don't like my response to such a thing.

And exactly how do you think you're saving me from attacks from others while simultaneously attacking me? Because that's all you did. Just saying a post is cretinous is nothing but a mindless attack.

Anyway, I'll agree my post could have been more clear. However, I still do not see how you take from that post that I'm suggesting the Mac mini or iMac is a replacement for a 2012 Mac pro. And if you actually wish to get more clarity from others, then you should pay more attention to your language.

Now, do you actually have anything of substance to say on the topic, or are you content with the shallow banter?