I'd be willing to put up with a bit of inconvenience and "external hassle", if I knew it would mean my computer was worth more when I went to sell it. Assuming a $1,200 M1 Mac Mini (16Gb/512Gb configuration w/ AppleCare+) was worth about $500 (or less) in 3-5 years in average condition, vs. $650+ in nearly prestine condition (internal SSD virtually unused). Yeah, getting $150 more for the same system would be worth it to me.
Can you give a proof of your claim? Even the most strict Mac trade in service providers do not care about the SSD lifespan, how do you know you can have 150 more?I'd be willing to put up with a bit of inconvenience and "external hassle", if I knew it would mean my computer was worth more when I went to sell it. Assuming a $1,200 M1 Mac Mini (16Gb/512Gb configuration w/ AppleCare+) was worth about $500 (or less) in 3-5 years in average condition, vs. $650+ in nearly prestine condition (internal SSD virtually unused). Yeah, getting $150 more for the same system would be worth it to me.
Unlikely for an SSD to reduce in life that significantly in just a short time unless you use your computer as a file server, or heavy file editing (eg you only get 8GB of RAM and keep using the machine for high photoshop/logic pro use), ie buying a device that is not appropriate for the actual usage.It's not a point of failure (except as a precaution). It's a matter of "value preservation". In 3-5 years, if you use the internal SSD the entire time, how much "life" will be left on it? 50%? More? Less? Wouldn't that be something you'd take into consideration, if you were buying a used M1 Mac (I'm thinking of the M1 Mac Mini, myself, but any of them would apply)? Now, consider someone is selling one, that they can prove has hardly used the internal SSD at all. It's almost like a brand new machine, in that sense! Wouldn't it be worth paying more, to you? The SSD is really the weakest link of the system (except the battery in M1 laptops), so the more "life" it has, the more value you can get out of it as a seller/buyer. Why people are such of a "throw away" mindset, when they don't have to be. A little advance preparation (and judicious usage) can net result much greater value when it's time to move onto the next M-whatever Mac.
I'd be willing to put up with a bit of inconvenience and "external hassle", if I knew it would mean my computer was worth more when I went to sell it. Assuming a $1,200 M1 Mac Mini (16Gb/512Gb configuration w/ AppleCare+) was worth about $500 (or less) in 3-5 years in average condition, vs. $650+ in nearly prestine condition (internal SSD virtually unused). Yeah, getting $150 more for the same system would be worth it to me.
Oh, right... you can just buy a brand new M1 Mac motherboard off of eBay. Silly me! ? Seriously?!? M1 Mac motherboards are only MADE, SOLD, and SERVICED by Apple! D'oh! I can see it now... you walk into an Apple Store... "I'd like to replace the motherboard in my M1 Mac here." [Genius looks at the empty chassis] "Uh, where's the motherboard?" [You] "Oh, I threw it away... it was dead anyways. I just figured I could buy a new one and replace it myself." Yeah... good luck with that scenario! ?
It's a tool, true... but which has more value, to sell as used (which I plan to, when I decide to upgrade)... a tool that is well cared for, or a tool that has major rust all over it, because it was left in the rain? A computer with a soldered on SSD has the likelihood of LESS value, with more usage, than one (like my Asus ROG Zepyrus G with a M.2 SSD that can be swapped out for a new one). This whole debate (debating was not the intent of my post, but has degraded to such) would be moot, if the SSD were entirely replaceable.
Especially when they (internal SSD soldered to the motherboard) can't be replaced... but I don't consider an external SSD a "dongle". Maybe a USB flash thumb drive, but...
That's a particularly narrow minded viewpoint. Apple parts are available to buy. End of.
The only SSD's I have are a 2.5" 120Gb SATA Sandisk I am using as a full Windows 7 backup (stored in a drawer; it will preserve the state of the system as it was when Windows 7 was no longer supported (fully updated)) for my Windows 7 Dell tower and the Intel M.2 660 SSD inside my Asus ROG Zephyrus G laptop. And neither one have I owned 3-5 years yet.
Right. Please show me where.
www.ifixit.com
Of course not. It's brand new.Right. Please show me where.
Mac Repair Help: Learn How to Fix It Yourself.
Repair guides and disassembly information for Apple's Macintosh personal computers.
They show an M.2 SSD (replaceable), internal hard drives (also replaceable), and batteries for various Macs. We are discussing M1 Macs, not older Intel or earlier systems. And they are not Apple parts (made/sold by Apple; well, maybe the battery... but possibly not). They are parts sold by other people, available for Macs. Big difference. And for the M1 Macs... none of these apply.
If used cars were worth nothing, no one would buy them, nor could anyone sell them. Yet both are occuring regularly. Your case is overruled and dismissed! ?
Not so fast... In my fantasy land you're only getting an extra 50 dollars for that machine.I'd be willing to put up with a bit of inconvenience and "external hassle", if I knew it would mean my computer was worth more when I went to sell it. Assuming a $1,200 M1 Mac Mini (16Gb/512Gb configuration w/ AppleCare+) was worth about $500 (or less) in 3-5 years in average condition, vs. $650+ in nearly prestine condition (internal SSD virtually unused). Yeah, getting $150 more for the same system would be worth it to me.
How much did you buy it for, originally, and how much did you sell it for, 8 years later? "Performance" is a relative statement. What you speak of is more about convenience thn performance. I'll gladly sacrifice a little "speed", if I know that, if/when my SSD dies, I can always use the internal one until I get another external. But, if the internal one dies and you don't have external booting enabled... um, ye might be up a creek without a paddle.
Right. Please show me where.
Mac Repair Help: Learn How to Fix It Yourself.
Repair guides and disassembly information for Apple's Macintosh personal computers.
They show an M.2 SSD (replaceable), internal hard drives (also replaceable), and batteries for various Macs. We are discussing M1 Macs, not older Intel or earlier systems. And they are not Apple parts (made/sold by Apple; well, maybe the battery... but possibly not). They are parts sold by other people, available for Macs. Big difference. And for the M1 Macs... none of these apply.
https://www.ifixit.com/News/46884/m1-macbook-teardowns-something-old-something-new
Computers are not cars, that for sure. Even Windows laptops now have soldered components. If you don't want soldered components, just build your own PC tower. No point in buying and then complaining about something that you know you won't agree with.The only SSD's I have are a 2.5" 120Gb SATA Sandisk I am using as a full Windows 7 backup (stored in a drawer; it will preserve the state of the system as it was when Windows 7 was no longer supported (fully updated)) for my Windows 7 Dell tower and the Intel M.2 660 SSD inside my Asus ROG Zephyrus G laptop. And neither one have I owned 3-5 years yet.
The point is not about age or lifespan decline, but value of the drive (as part of a system as a whole), when it CANNOT be replaced! How much is an M1 Mac going to be worth to you (as a buyer), when you have either no way of knowing how much life is left on the internal SSD (which CANNOT be replaced) or you know that a significant amount of it's life is used up?
Think of it this way... you're out to buy a used car. But the tires cannot be removed. Are you going to pay the same amount for that car with obviously worn tires, or tires that look like they're fairly new? I know it's a bad example (the car would have to have gotten very little driving), but it make sense, if you "go with the flow of the scenario" (which is "value for wear shown/known").
If you use the same encryption technology on the external, it's the same diff. Nobody is getting that data. Theft was not part of the discussion. And, in YOUR fantasyland... I'm not going to sell it for less than the market will bear. And I'm HOPING that, having preserved the system as much as possible it's entire life, it's intrinsically worth more than another system that was not taken care of... especially considering the SSD is NOT replaceable!
AHAHAHAHA! ? I'm going to be getting an M1 Mac Mini, not an M1 MBA or MBP. Seems they're less prone to issues. The more you integrate (screen, keyboard, etc.), the more that can go wrong...
Together with the fact that the MBA and the MBP are portable and much more likely to get damaged.
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