Maybe, it's a euro-centric thing, but an Apple device is a big purchase and people tend to use them cradle-to-grave. I still use my 2008 iMac in my parlour.
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Want to preserve the lifespan/value of your M1 Mac?
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I never said the market didn’t exist, I simply said the value is diminished after the first owner (ex: spend $2000 sell for $800(in great shape). I air in the side of use the device how it’s meant to be used and buy a new one when needed. Do you buy a MacBook in hopes to sell it later on and cover the cost of a new one?
Not at all, my roommates parents are on an 08 iMac that I’ll be rehabbing with an SSD. My sister’s 09 MBP still works (again, rehabbed by me), as well as my friend’s 2010 MBP. These machines are perfectly capable of doing what 90% of users do provided they’ve been minimally maintained. Macs stay in service far and away longer than a PC does for *standard people*.
I'd be shocked if he actually has a wife...if this is his thought process for a silly laptop, I can't even begin to imagine how it is for things that actually matter.
As I see this thread is going nowhere in a hurry (certainly not in the direction I intended), I'll keep my responses to a minimum, so it will die off sooner. But I'll say this... backing up your data does not affect that original data on your dead/inaccessible SSD (soldered to the motherboard) being in someone else's possession, who may have the skills and ability to extract it, after said motherboard/SSD now belongs to them, after replacement. Why people are totally missing the point of what I'm saying is beyond me.
SSDs have become way more durable over the years. It may have been an issue years ago when SSDs first started becoming affordable that you needed to worry about how much data was written to them but that's much, much, much less of an issue now. Aside from a defective part I really don't think you'll need to worry a whole lot about wearing out the SSD.
Consider yourself shocked... electrocuted, stunned, amazed, and otherwise rendered flabbergasted! ? And, goodness... will people stop thinking I'm talking about the M1 laptops? I'm talking about the M1 Mac Mini!
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Buy two M1’s, and alternate between them every other day for 2X lifespan ? Just kidding of course!
Do SSD’s die faster than good old fashioned HD’s? I’ve got a 2015 iMac that has both the little SSD and old fashioned HD that still is going strong.
I too miss the days of being able to replace/upgrade the HD in my Macs. Those days are long gone I know. I guess new Macs are simply an appliance like my fridge, toaster, and microwave oven.
Do SSD’s die faster than good old fashioned HD’s? I’ve got a 2015 iMac that has both the little SSD and old fashioned HD that still is going strong.
I too miss the days of being able to replace/upgrade the HD in my Macs. Those days are long gone I know. I guess new Macs are simply an appliance like my fridge, toaster, and microwave oven.
Except your fridge, toaster, and microwave oven don't store your personal/private data on an internal SSD that can't be replaced, if it goes bad.
Do people still not enable FileVault these days???
More chance of it being stolen than the NANDs failing on the SSD.
This is a serious thing I have considered. However the following caveats made me choose against it:
1) Current external enclosures cannot meet the speed of the internal SSD, so you will be running slower for the amount of time you own the Mac. You are reducing the practical value of your system.
2) My calculations on the lifespan of the SSD make me believe it will last at least 5 years for almost any use case. If you sell it at that point you have already gone through quite a bit of depreciation, and the buyer is highly unlikely to care or offer you more money because you claim the SSD is like new.
3) If at any point the SSD does die, you can choose to move to an external boot drive at that time. By then external drives will have increased in performance so there will be no performance cost (in fact it will be the opposite).
So, in conclusion, make sure you CAN boot from external at any time (don’t enable anything that disallows this). Then wait to use that option until the internal SSD is already dying.
How many people have had their brand new M1 Mac suddenly bork? I've seen several posts. It won't boot. Won't do anything. Let's say it happens after you've transferred all your sensitive/private data onto the built-in SSD. Not worried? You take it to Apple... they swap out the motherboard. Hand you back your system. Not worried? You just copy the data from your backups, right? What about the copy that's stuck on the SSD that's now in Apple's control/ownership? Things that are encrypted can be unencrypted. And Apple has the tools/skills to do that, no matter what they tell you. "They wouldn't do that." Oh, is that so? And how many businesses are hacked and account data stolen? It's happened recently. You think the cloud (iCloud, DropBox, etc.) exist for just OUR benefit? For FREE? Nothing is free in this world. Everything costs someone something, no matter how it's dressed up.
What I was suggesting was a way to not only preserve the maximum value of your computer, but also keep your data (encrypted or not) from ever falling into the wrong hands, should something happen. But everyone thinks it's either too unlikely or too inconvenience or whatever.
"You can bring a horse to water..."
Why is it less likely your external drive will fall into nefarious hands than the motherboard of your Mac?
The best Samsung SSD can handle 9000 Tb being written to them.
If we assume 10Gb written per day ≈ 2464 years before failure
100Gb written per day ≈ 246 years
1Tb written per day ≈ 25 years
Even if the chips in Macs are 10 times worse we would still se 25 to 250 years with high daily usage and even 2.5 years with extremely heavy usage.
Have you heard of regular backups?
Any SSD, new or old, can die the very next second.
Also the data on the SSD is encrypted. Even if it were not encrypted, it would be extremely cumbersome and difficult to get hold if it, and almost impossible if the disk had died.
My MBP16 motherboard exploded last month, so yes, I get you. SSD was also unrecoverable.
This is some of the most ridiculous nonsense I have ever read... use your machine as its intended and don't be afraid to do so. I can't imagine what else you worry about so much in your day to day life to be like this lol
If the machine fails within 5 years, I'll be a whole year inside of being covered by UK law anyway, as that will be firmly under the heading of "defects existing from point of manufacture". My previous MacBook failed at 6.5 years old due to a known fault with the Nvidia dGPU. I'm still using it's 1TB SSD in an OWC Envoy Pro and SSD health check software indicates that there is still nothing wrong with it. Equally my eldest NVMe drive is coming up on 8 years old.
Is there a way to delete a topic? This one has not turned out anything like I figured/hoped it would and I’d rather just pretend I never started this thread.
Sort of defeat the whole point of an SoC if you run everything from an external drive.
I’m still trying to picture walking around with a MacBook with an external drive duct taped to it.