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If you think about it, isn't it rather unlikely that people will eventually get tumors on the wrist from this. Maybe if you live into your nineties there could be something. But do you really care at that point? And that's the worst case.

And it's only wrist tumors that are a possible side effect, or skin irritation. I have read some people complaining about strange things. That would be in your mind. I've been worried about this myself, but have come around after having experienced a few real ailments :D

Now those earbuds do scare me, but not very much. I wonder why there's no clarity about this. Seems i'm not the only one who cares.
 
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I also heard that the Apple Watch can revert vasectomies, so make sure you want kids before you wear one.

People can come up with the weirdest, most paranoid reasons for not wearing the watch, but this one is REAL! It's been proven somewhere.

Yes i've read this. Scientifically proven, by real scientists.
 
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Please take it easy. I didn't say that Apple said that.

1) Apple said that holding Watch closer than 10mm is not recommended
2) Apple provided numbers that their SAR levels are 1.6 (over 1g) and 4.0 (over 10g) for 30 minutes of usage.
https://www.apple.com/legal/rfexposure/watch4,4/en/
3) The official US FCC and European CENELEC limits are 1.6 SAR (over 1g) and 2.0 SAR (over 10g)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_absorption_rate
4) In my opinion Apple Watch is close (FCC) if not over (for European CENELEC standard) the allowed limit for 30 minutes of usage
5) And my personal conclusion to this is wearing it at night is quite dangerous because personally I sleep sometimes on my hand and in this case the watch will be definitely closer than 10 mm and the time of exposure will be definitely longer than 30 minutes. That's why I said not recommended

I do have EMF concerns and want to do some testing, but my mitigation strategy includes if my phone is in my pocket it goes into Airplane mode. I’m less concerned about the watch causing harm based on placement on the wrist versus near my more vital organs. If I am relaxing at home I will opt to throw Airplane mode on the watch. For everyone saying I don’t feel bad or it doesn’t affect me ... slow drip toxins in your environment like EMF can lead to cancer (some people have better diet’s that support the mitochondria to repair more so than others to mitigate this).

This is just one of the many toxins we deal with and using computers wired to ethernet and wired headphones are the better way to go, but for everyone there is the balancing act of convenience vs health and everyone needs to decide for themselves what is best for them.

I do want to invest in this tool pretty soon (https://www.amazon.com/TriField-EMF...=UTF8&qid=1527012418&sr=8-2&keywords=trifield)

This will give me some data as to how much the Apple Watch is outputting when idle (I have heard the cell signal is a low powered chip, which is why reception is worse than a phone) - another thing I’ve reduced is AirPod usage; those with EMF Meters have found AirPods having unusually high readings which surprised me considering the chip inside is designed to lower power requirements if the phone or watch is nearby versus what standard BT does.

Anyways just a few thoughts on EMF - hope this is helpful for others curious about this stuff.
 
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I do have EMF concerns and want to do some testing, but my mitigation strategy includes if my phone is in my pocket it goes into Airplane mode. I’m less concerned about the watch causing harm based on placement on the wrist versus near my more vital organs. If I am relaxing at home I will opt to throw Airplane mode on the watch. For everyone saying I don’t feel bad or it doesn’t affect me ... slow drip toxins in your environment like EMF can lead to cancer (some people have better diet’s that support the mitochondria to repair more so than others to mitigate this).

This is just one of the many toxins we deal with and using computers wired to ethernet and wired headphones are the better way to go, but for everyone there is the balancing act of convenience vs health and everyone needs to decide for themselves what is best for them.

I do want to invest in this tool pretty soon (https://www.amazon.com/TriField-EMF...=UTF8&qid=1527012418&sr=8-2&keywords=trifield)

This will give me some data as to how much the Apple Watch is outputting when idle (I have heard the cell signal is a low powered chip, which is why reception is worse than a phone) - another thing I’ve reduced is AirPod usage; those with EMF Meters have found AirPods having unusually high readings which surprised me considering the chip inside is designed to lower power requirements if the phone or watch is nearby versus what standard BT does.

Anyways just a few thoughts on EMF - hope this is helpful for others curious about this stuff.

Thanks for the post and the information. $168! Ouch! Was really hoping that would be cheaper.
 
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Thanks for the post and the information. $168! Ouch! Was really hoping that would be cheaper.
Sure thing. There are some lower cost devices, but those won’t capture all 3 types of EMF. This one seems to be regarded as the best trade off between price, features, and accuracy.
 
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radio signals have been around for a century.
the radio waves are traveling thru our brains.
then it was the cellular signals. then BT and WiFi.
we are evolving.
and the life expectancy has been increasing.
we will live to 110 y.o.
 
I get it this is a technology advocate forum so sure not a very open community to even consider some of these topics. But to not even listen and consider the possibility that on this particular topic the government may be wrong (lots of powerful companies encouraging this just as with the health/food crisis) just as we were told very wrong dietary advise in the 70s that has led to type-2 diabetes, the obesity crisis, and a rise in heart disease.

Dave Asprey is someone I do trust as well as the guests he interviews. There is more nuance to health than the Wikipedia snippets you can yank out.

I’d encourage you to listen and make up your own mind rather than prejudging things without even listening and judging based on the evidence presented rather than going in assuming I’m right.

Here’s another great episode on this topic for those interesting in learning more: https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/po...fi-health-cell-phones-dirty-electricity-more/
[doublepost=1558270362][/doublepost]Here’s a documentary worth a watch; it focuses on Smart Meters, but the EMF concern is the same concern as with other tech -
 
Dave Asprey has no medical degree or nutritional training. He claims he stopped drinking coffee and his IQ went up 20 points. He said he is going to live to 180 years old. He's a complete looney.

The problem with "make up your own mind" on complicated topics is that it takes actual professionals to actually know what they are talking about. Dave Asprey is not one of them.
 
Dave Asprey has no medical degree or nutritional training. He claims he stopped drinking coffee and his IQ went up 20 points. He said he is going to live to 180 years old. He's a complete looney.

The problem with "make up your own mind" on complicated topics is that it takes actual professionals to actually know what they are talking about. Dave Asprey is not one of them.
The advise Dave shares is sound and the information shared helped me loose 75 pounds in 9 months and there are countless others that have similar results. You don’t need a medical degree to learn about nutrition and become an expert. He’s a smart guy that has been dedicated to learning about the human body and optimizing yourself to have an optimized life. Being ambitious on your expectations and goals doesn’t make you a looney, if you say going to Mars is impossible you’ll never get there.
 
The advise Dave shares is sound and the information shared helped me loose 75 pounds in 9 months and there are countless others that have similar results. You don’t need a medical degree to learn about nutrition and become an expert. He’s a smart guy that has been dedicated to learning about the human body and optimizing yourself to have an optimized life. Being ambitious on your expectations and goals doesn’t make you a looney, if you say going to Mars is impossible you’ll never get there.

Oh for god sake. So saying he'll live to 180 isn't insane - it's ambition!

Fine. I'm a dragon, and I have a built-in cancer detector, which was not set off by my Apple Watch. It's not impossible - I just tried really really hard and it happened.

Dave Asprey is a hack. He's a horse-**** peddler. He copy and pasted some peoples diet advice (which helped you lose weight), and then added his own insane slant to it about doubling his life span and increasing his intelligence by 30%.

By including scammers like Asprey, we drop the level of this discussion to Flat Earth BS. His name and "work" has no place in any discussion about science. If you want to believe it then cool - go for it. But when you don't live to 180 and gain Stephen Hawking level of intelligence, you have no right to be surprised.
 
Oh for god sake. So saying he'll live to 180 isn't insane - it's ambition!

Fine. I'm a dragon, and I have a built-in cancer detector, which was not set off by my Apple Watch. It's not impossible - I just tried really really hard and it happened.

Dave Asprey is a hack. He's a horse-**** peddler. He copy and pasted some peoples diet advice (which helped you lose weight), and then added his own insane slant to it about doubling his life span and increasing his intelligence by 30%.

By including scammers like Asprey, we drop the level of this discussion to Flat Earth BS. His name and "work" has no place in any discussion about science. If you want to believe it then cool - go for it. But when you don't live to 180 and gain Stephen Hawking level of intelligence, you have no right to be surprised.

I don’t expect to live to 180. I expect to live much longer than I would of otherwise (100 to 110) and I do have better cognition now than I did in the past (wouldn’t say it increases IQ, but does help you think more clearly with no “brain fog”) this was done by shifting to a clean diet with foods that do optimize brain function (as well as other benefits), less toxins in my environment, and other “biohacking” practices shared by him and others in the community.

The earth is a globe and is very round. Most doctors are trained to simply fix a problem with a drug. I’m more interested in learning from those who are actively learning about what works, what doesn’t work and trying to figure out how to truly live a better optimized life. Dave is just one of many voices in the “biohacking/nutrition” community that have improved my life for the better.

Again I know this is an Apple forum and I love Apple products. It took me some time to second guess and get over that I in the past may have been wrong with EMF and how it actually does affect the mitochondria in our cells. I was in the same boat as many of you a year ago dogmatically believing there is no harm from keeping a cell phone in my pocket all day, or wearing AirPods all day. I did have your vantage point and it took me some time to get over those very hard held beliefs.
 
The earth is a globe and is very round. Most doctors are trained to simply fix a problem with a drug. I’m more interested in learning from those who are actively learning about what works, what doesn’t work and trying to figure out how to truly live a better optimized life. Dave is just one of many voices in the “biohacking/nutrition” community that have improved my life for the better.

Discrediting Doctors whilst not understanding their training, but "getting over" it and buying into the works of a scam artist. You do you, man. Knock yourself out. For the rest of us, Dave is a quack.

 
While I strongly believe that in 170-70 years from now we'll wonder how we ever thought X Y Z today, we are definitely going off of available scientific knowledge at the moment. To do otherwise is very dangerous. Is science all knowing? No, humans are fallible. But to assume conspiracy and that we know better than experts is something that shouldn't be taken lightly. A lot of people today like to think they are better than the experts because it gets them youtube views and $. People have been peddling snake oil since humanity began. I had a lot of fun reading about Quackery in my parents/grandparent's generation. Z-rays will get you! Those "doctors" made a lot of $.

Yes, most Americans eat terribly. A small change in diet can result in significant weight loss. We're a sedentary society, so exercising 30 mins a day can result in INCREDIBLE weight loss. I lost 40 pounds in 3 months by running 2 miles a day and cutting my food intake significantly. I didn't do it in a very healthy way though...

Back to topic... we are constantly being bombarded by waves of energy. Our sun puts out enormous amounts of energy that WILL cause cancer if one does not protect themselves or gets too much sun. Our body is constantly repairing itself, yet to get no sun at all is also a detriment. I think moderation is key in a lot of cases.

That said... non-ionizing "radiation" or waves of energy have been around for 20-30 years now (and more). What we do know is that you can bathe rats in insane amounts of cellular energy, on the scale of 10-20x more than what we get, and they don't start having detrimental effects until after massive amounts of time have gone by. So what we're doing with our weight, is not going to do anything in our lifetime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/health/cancer-study-radiation-cellphones.html?_r=0

"But don’t we know that radiation causes cancer?

Ionizing radiation, the powerful type from nuclear weapons, nuclear power plants and X-ray machines, is strong enough to knock electrons off atoms and damage DNA. That can cause cancer. But the radiation from cellphones, called radio-frequency radiation, is nonionizing and not known to damage DNA."

https://www.quora.com/Do-mobile-pho...m=ad&campaign=uad_mkt_en_acq_us_awin&set=awin


There is a lot of money to be made here because people love to fear the unknown.
[doublepost=1558276533][/doublepost]@DragonX - found a site about GSM signals! - http://www.techmind.org/gsm/ :D
 
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