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JayLenochiniMac

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Playing devil's advoate, using the estimated screen sizes from Gizmag for the two Apple types, and overlaying them on the Moto 360:

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Looks like the Moto could display everything the Apple Watch can, and still have room around the circle to display most of a background watch dial, and other indicators... if they wanted to not use Google Wear's big fonts, that is.

No wonder why they had to make the Moto 360 larger and it looks like a visual monstrosity on the wrist.

Motorola-Moto-360.jpg
 

douglasf13

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If I am honest here, and I always try to be.

When I first saw the Apple Watch and how they are heavily going into circles.
The whole UI really is circle based.

I will admit, I felt all the roundness did clash with the squareness of the device.

The circles in the UI are a nice counterpoint to the rectangular body. I think it looks a bit cartoonish with the circle UI on a circular body:

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The bottom line is that it takes a much larger circular watch to display the same info of the Apple Watch, as the monstrous Moto 360 shows us. I think the rectangle looks great, anyways.
 

douglasf13

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LOL, that guy in the last pic must be a giant. I'm 6'1" with average sized wrists, and my 38mm Omega looks larger on my wrist than the 46mm Moto looks on that guy's wrist. It was also probably shot with a tele from far away, seeing as how it is a professional shot.

The Moto is over 10mm or more wider than either Apple Watch sizes. It's relatively huge.
 

APlotdevice

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Of course, another factor against round is that more and more young people these days cannot read an analog clock face.

A recent survey in the UK, for example, found that one in seven Britons cannot read analog clocks. I wouldn't be surprised if the number was even higher in the US.

I've personally met many people who cannot read analog clocks. They're totally reliant on digital clocks, and do not relate easily to the idea of a quarter hour.

We used to use analog clockfaces in our software, and had to dump them because it just confused some users. So sad, because I think clockfaces can instantly show time relationships that a number cannot.

On the other hand, going back to that survey, it turned out that many who cannot read a clockface still bought an analog clock just for the fashion. I'm flabbergasted at that.

I can read an analog clock face, but I really don't like to.
 

katewes

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It's hardly a visual monstrosity like the Moto 360.

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Compare to

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Ok, I admit I've never seen either in real life, and had only seen photos front on. From that side view, the Moto 360 does look clunky. But I feel the Apple Watch could look so much nicer if it were round.
 

shanson27

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So what do you think:

Apple Watch Sport:

  • 38mm 4GB $349
  • 42mm 8GB $379

Apple Watch:

  • 38mm 4GB $379
  • 42mm 8GB $399

Apple Watch Gold:

  • 38mm 4GB $999
  • 42mm 8GB $1199
 
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katewes

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Making an good analogy of your point:cool: : Round is wasted space and limited display of info over a rectangle. Everyone would see this on an iPad and since a watch is a smaller screen then its even more of a problem.

Also watches were round because of the movement dictated the round face. Besides being a waste of user space it would be pure skeuomorphism to make it a round face. I want to see more info and NOT less in the same confined space.

You're thinking like an engineer. From an engineering viewpoint, I agree.

From a design, aesthetic viewpoint, the square watch design stinks.

If I want functionality, it's all there already in the iPhone in my pocket, and in the iPad Mini in my bag.

But something that goes on my wrist has to look drool-worthy. Right now, the Apple Watch beta is a functional-win, but a design-loser.

It's Microsoft Windows XP, it's Samsung-everything, it's Panasonic-everything. That's how revolting I find it.

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No wonder why they had to make the Moto 360 larger and it looks like a visual monstrosity on the wrist.

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Ok, from a side angle the Moto 360 looks quite bad. It's never my intention to say the Moto is the ultimate in design. I'm just asking Apple to come up with a better circular design.
 

katewes

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This is your subjective opinion and not an objective fact.

I don't think there is such a thing as an objective fact about design, non-functional appearance.

But there were some people like Steve Jobs who had an innate ability to see great design, and as an Apple user for more than a few decades my taste in design always happened to align with Steve's.;)
 

Julien

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Jun 30, 2007
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But there were some people like Steve Jobs who had an innate ability to see great design, and as an Apple user for more than a few decades my taste in design always happened to align with Steve's.;)


So you like a round watch face, you are an :apple: customer, your taste in design has always aligned with Jobs taste (not sure how you determined this???:eek:). Therefor you are you saying that you know what a deceased person would think of the aWatch style/design today?

I respect your desire for a round watch style but it's not happening (at least in gen 1). After the aWatch is introduced you could submit feedback to Apple requesting a round design. If the aWatch is extremely successful we could see Apple becoming more of a fashion oriented compony with a diverse line of aWatches. So we could get a round in a few gens.

Also a square watch is not some fashion faux pas or abomination that is unheard of in the watch industry. Square watches have been around for decades. Here is a good World of Watches article and a Forbes article.
 

katewes

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So you like a round watch face, you are an :apple: customer, your taste in design has always aligned with Jobs taste (not sure how you determined this???:eek:). Therefor you are you saying that you know what a deceased person would think of the aWatch style/design today?

I respect your desire for a round watch style but it's not happening (at least in gen 1). After the aWatch is introduced you could submit feedback to Apple requesting a round design. If the aWatch is extremely successful we could see Apple becoming more of a fashion oriented compony with a diverse line of aWatches. So we could get a round in a few gens.

Also a square watch is not some fashion faux pas or abomination that is unheard of in the watch industry. Square watches have been around for decades. Here is a good World of Watches article and a Forbes article.

The point of my post is that, if the aWatch software is not, from the beginning, catered for a round screen, it is going to be difficult or virtually impossible to introduce the round-factor in later generations because it is very hard to change an ecosystem, with apps from many developers, once the framework has been laid in version 1. Hence I entitled the thread, that we will never ever see a round aWatch because of the ground rules laid out in generation 1.
 

kdarling

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Again, I'm with those who think parts of the AWatch UI/apps look like they were originally designed for a round screen.

Think about it. The Crown feels like it was designed for selecting from circular pie menus.

It would've all tied together very nicely, and would've actually been somewhat unique like Apple usually likes to be.

Ah well. All speculation.

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In any case, it seems highly likely that if round smartwatches take off in popularity, Cook will figure out a way to sell one too.

So far, he's been consistent at this, from smaller tablets to larger phones, from flat UI to keyboards to NFC. I like that about him. He's not afraid to use good ideas, wherever they come from.
 

SHNXX

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I hope we do but the Moto 360 is a complete design failure in my opinion.

It is basically made specifically for thick-boned males with above average sized wrists.
I don't think a single asian woman could wear that device.
 

APlotdevice

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I just thought of something: The eventual progression for such devices will almost certainly be to flexible screens that bend around the wrist as necessary. For this reason I don't think a round interface has long-term viability.
 

SHNXX

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I just thought of something: The eventual progression for such devices will almost certainly be to flexible screens that bend around the wrist as necessary. For this reason I don't think a round interface has long-term viability.


You're probably right.
I know I would probably prefer such a form which allows me to wear a real watch also.
 

Piggie

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That's not a fair comparison of a square and a circle. The circles diameter should be the diagonal of the square.

Yes, I understand what you mean.

It's seeing it as a negative and smaller as opposed to a positive and larger.

It's the same with Widescreen's

Some people will simply always see them as a negative, and think the display WAS taller, but it's top and bottom have been chopped off and lost.

They seen unable to comprehend that you CAN also see this as a positive and MORE screen has been added to the left and right of the older format display.

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Nice designs:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...cto-custom-watch-face-maker-for-android-wear/

I hope Motorola will work on a V2 of this watch
 
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