Well now that the 5S has been announced, which device are you likely to get?

[Tsuchiya]

Sticking with Apple and getting the 5S.

Curious though, is the screen size the #1 complaint here? IF the new iPhone was the exact same as the 5S but had a 4.5 inch screen. Then what?

It'll help. Being completely honest, there is nothing really "wrong" with the iPhone itself, it's a beautifully designed and put together piece of hardware. Technically it's also impressive. However, underneath the gloss iOS7 just doesn't offer what I want in a smartphone. An accessible file system and ability to install and download whatever the user wants would be a good start.

Sony really needs to work on the look of that phone.

it seems so much space is wasted on those bezels and bottom area that it makes it look and feel larger than necessary.

They trim that up and make the screen more appealing and it can be a contender.

In the hand it doesn't feel much bigger than the S4. The screen is much better than before (the original Z was mediocre at best). Also Sony claim the bezel was necessary to fit in the camera sensor and make it waterproof. Overall it's a compelling option and for it not to be a "contender" because of it's bezel is a damn shame.

Also am I right in assuming it isn't going to be readily available in the US, hence why it appears to be somewhat overlooked? I need some comparisons done

 

[mKTank]

Y'all using Swipe Home for your One? Depending on how you feel about gestures, it significantly upgrades the One.

Free trial for 7 days, 99 cents after that.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.matthewma.swipehomebuttonfree

I'm using a pretty customizable kernel that has already a lot of gestures. Double tap screen to wake, swipe across capacitive button bar to turn on phone, swipe up from home for menu button, etc.

Details in my sig. Thanks for the suggestion though, I'll give it a shot!

 

[onthecouchagain]

I have a quick question I'd love to see how many of you answer.

Let me say first that I dig the fingerprint scanner. And it is useful, but it is useful for mainly one thing (to replace passcodes/passwords). Again, I like it. A lot, even.


But look at how many useful things are in the Note 3. It's remarkable what you can do with the S-pen. All the multifaceted ways of multitasking, sharing, adding/calling contacts, scribbling quick notes, etc. is amazing and can be incredibly useful. Have you seen the Note 3 demo video? It's 10 mins chock full of neat features, many of which are arguably useful.

If we're going to applaud Apple for one or two new and exciting features as "forward thinking" (nothing wrong with that), then why not basically applaud every other single OEMwho surely have at least one or two "forward thinking" features, too, in their devices?

LG G2's double-tap to sleep/wake feature?

Xperia Z1's 20+ camera / waterproof-ness (how many stories have we heard of water damaged phones?)?

Nokia's 40+ camera?

Moto X's always listening feature and/or Active Notifications?


These are but a few examples. Are they all forward thinking for the one or two added features they bring to the table?

 

[jrswizzle]

Let me say first that I dig the fingerprint scanner. And it is useful, but it is useful for mainly one thing (to replace passcodes/passwords). Again, I like it. A lot, even.


But look at how many useful things are in the Note 3. It's remarkable what you can do with the S-pen. All the multifaceted ways of multitasking, sharing, adding/calling contacts, scribbling quick notes, etc. is amazing and can be incredibly useful. Have you seen the Note 3 demo video? It's 10 mins chock full of neat features, many of which are arguably useful.

If we're going to applaud Apple for one or two new and exciting features as "forward thinking" (nothing wrong with that), then why not basically applaud every other single OEMwho surely have at least one or two "forward thinking" features, too, in their devices?

LG G2's double-tap to sleep/wake feature?

Xperia Z1's 20+ camera / waterproof-ness (how many stories have we heard of water damaged phones?)?

Nokia's 40+ camera?

Moto X's always listening feature and/or Active Notifications?


These are but a few examples. Are they all forward thinking for the one or two added features they bring to the table?

Awesome, I'm all for it. I'm pretty sure I've seen threads praising each of these devices and those features.

 

[Technarchy]

LG G2's double-tap to sleep/wake feature?

Xperia Z1's 20+ camera / waterproof-ness (how many stories have we heard of water damaged phones?)?

Nokia's 40+ camera?

Moto X's always listening feature and/or Active Notifications?


These are but a few examples. Are they all forward thinking for the one or two added features they bring to the table?

1: Solution to a nonexistent problem

2a: Don't care about megapixels. My GS4 takes good pics with a 13MP and my iPhone takes good pics with 8MP. That spec means nothing in practical use

2b. Waterproof would be nice. Not a big concern on my list, and if it was I'd get a lifeproof.

3. Who cares? I don't. See point 2a. 1MP, 10000MP? Does the photo look good is what I care about.

4. Have wake commands on the GS4. Sorta neat, but the only practical use so far has been telling my alarm to snooze, any other time it's just as easy to perform a function on the phone and not be a douchey spectacle.

 

[jrswizzle]

1: Solution to a nonexistent problem

2a: Don't care about megapixels. My GS4 takes good pics with a 13MP and my iPhone takes good pics with 8MP. That spec means nothing in practical use

2b. Waterproof would be nice. Not a big concern on my list, and if it was I'd get a lifeproof.

3. Who cares? I don't. See point 2a. 1MP, 10000MP? Does the photo look good is what I care about.

4. Have wake commands on the GS4. Sorta neat, but the only practical use so far has been telling my alarm to snooze, any other time it's just as easy to perform a function on the phone and not be a douchey spectacle.

Lol Couch - I tried to be nice. Techarchy and I generally think a lot alike however and we're both in the same boat (iOS guys who use GS4s).

Anyways, I agree with the above assessment, but my point was not to simply praise Apple. It was to point out the double standard. There are numerous threads here praising each of the above features and the phones they come in, while none of Apple's 3 major new features (all firsts in a smartphone) are given the praise they deserve.

Anyways, lol.

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But look at how many useful things are in the Note 3. It's remarkable what you can do with the S-pen. All the multifaceted ways of multitasking, sharing, adding/calling contacts, scribbling quick notes, etc. is amazing and can be incredibly useful. Have you seen the Note 3 demo video? It's 10 mins chock full of neat features, many of which are arguably useful.

I want to highlight this part really quickly.....

How many of those features are multiple ways to reach the same end goal or accomplish the same task?

If I have ZERO problem doing a task and I can do it quickly, reliably and efficiently should we praise someone for coming up with another way to do said task?

Its whole, "what problem does this solve" thing Tech brought up. Each of the three features Apple presented addresses specific "problems" or inconveniences. Obviously I'm all for doing things more efficiently, and without having watched the Note 3 demo, I'm sure there are some features in there that are great - but my point remains.

Just a thought/question.

 

[Prototypical]

How many of those features are multiple ways to reach the same end goal or accomplish the same task?

If I have ZERO problem doing a task and I can do it quickly, reliably and efficiently should we praise someone for coming up with another way to do said task?

I think we should praise them, as variety means everyone has the opportunity to do it their own way. BUT...

I also think there is absolutely nothing wrong with adapting to the way Apple has designed their processes and systems. If the "iPhone Way" works perfectly for me, I don't need 72 other ways to send messages or share contacts or whatever. I don't WANT 72 other ways (which just complicate an otherwise basic task). I want simplicity and familiarity over unnecessary variety.

Android diehards seem to have trouble digesting that.

 

[jrswizzle]

I think we should praise them, as variety means everyone has the opportunity to do it their own way. BUT...

I also think there is absolutely nothing wrong with adapting to the way Apple has designed their processes and systems. If the "iPhone Way" works perfectly for me, I don't need 72 other ways to send messages or share contacts or whatever. I don't WANT 72 other ways (which just complicate an otherwise basic task). I want simplicity and familiarity over unnecessary variety.

Android diehards seem to have trouble digesting that.

Completely agree.

As those who don't automatically put me into some generalization and actually READ what I post know, I'm a fan of both iOS AND Android. I just prefer iOS because I happen to like the simplicity.

Both are great, neither are perfect and there are things about each I, personally, am hoping for. I'm perfectly happy to praise ANY company that does something particularly well - I just don't feel the need to ADD to all the current Android praise and instead try to fill the void of Apple praise.

Hey Couch - just curiosity as we tend to get locked into debate quite often, I'm genuinely interested in what things iOS 7 and the iPhone are still missing that would make you take a look at them again. I think I know a few of them, but didn't want to assume.

 

[bova80]

I chose none of the items in the poll. Picked up the LG G2 and gave my wife my iPhone 5. Pretty happy with my decision.

 

[Apollo 13]

if iphone moved to 4.5in screen ppl would still complain and say it's to small. People just like to bitch about Apple plain and simple just like ppl like to complain about Samsung and their plastic phones.

 

[Technarchy]

Lol Couch - I tried to be nice. Techarchy and I generally think a lot alike however and we're both in the same boat (iOS guys who use GS4s).

Anyways, I agree with the above assessment, but my point was not to simply praise Apple. It was to point out the double standard. There are numerous threads here praising each of the above features and the phones they come in, while none of Apple's 3 major new features (all firsts in a smartphone) are berated.

Anyways, lol.

The iPhone 5S deserves praise in numerous ways that will go right over most heads.

What about contextual awareness? The iPhone 5S actually understands if you are walking, or in a vehicle which will be a big deal for all types of app development. Let's think about that for a moment; a phone that has a sense of proprioception and contextual understanding of space and movement.

64-bit processing, so you get far more horsepower, and better battery life without resorting to 8 core chips. which we learned is not effeciecient or even properly utilized by Apple's competitors (http://www.androidcentral.com/samsu...essors-will-take-advantage-all-8-cores-future)

Stealing iPhones is about to get close to pointless after iPhone 5S between iOS7 and Touch ID

Those are innovations, appreciated or not. Devices with a sense of proprioception and contextual understanding will do far more to push what smartphones are capable of in the next decade compared to water proofing and 40MP cameras.

 

[jrswizzle]

The iPhone 5S deserves praise in numerous ways that will go right over most heads.

What about contextual awareness? The iPhone 5S actually understands if you are walking, or in a vehicle which will be a big deal for all types of app development. Let's think about that for a moment; a phone that has a sense of proprioception and contextual understanding of space and movement.

64-bit processing, so you get far more horsepower, and better battery life without resorting to 8 core chips. which we learned is not effeciecient or even properly utilized by Apple's competitors (http://www.androidcentral.com/samsu...essors-will-take-advantage-all-8-cores-future)

Stealing iPhones is about to get close to pointless after iPhone 5S between iOS7 and Touch ID

Those are innovations, appreciated or not. Devices with a sense of proprioception and contextual understanding will do far more to push what smartphones are capable of in the next decade compared to water proofing and 40MP cameras.

Completely agree Tech.

Here's a great CNET article about 64-bit processors in mobile and why Apple did it.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...7-chip-makes-sense/?google_editors_picks=true

 

[sddabrow]

Why I chose the Note 3

Man, I had a long write up written, but the page timed out since work got in the way lol.

Let me try to re-type my opinion on why I am going to the Note 3 from the iPhone 4s. I am involved in the Apple ecosystem and currently carry a Macbook Pro, iPad2, and iPhone 4s.

- Bigger screen - Numerous times I just want to look something up quick on the web or watch a brief youtube video so I grab my iPhone to accomplish this. I would much rather grab my Note 3 for viewing pleasure.. Not sure why I don't grab the iPad (maybe it is upstairs and I am lazy) but my phone is always on me. The only thing I worry about the larger screen is when I am driving, which I shouldn't be doing anyways

- Multitasking - Big one for me. Whenever I am on my iPad I want to minimize my Youtube and go play a game or read a review.. I can't. I cannot wait to be able to browse the web on my device while having a youtube stream going on at the same time. I also look forward to having two emails open to reference at the same time, two texts, a calculator & emails to work out margins, etc. Multitasking on a larger screen will be perfect for my use case.

- File management & Emails - One of my biggest gripes with iOS is the email management and attachments. I have tried using GoodReader and other apps to 'save' the email, but it is just a pain. I usually like to take email attachments and forward them on, without all the text. So I have to go through and delete the texts but save the attachment on the draft email. Don't even get me started with multiple attachments. Looking forward to Android's capabilities here. Especially with my 300+ emails I do on the road as I am in sales.

Lastly is Google Now. I love using Google Now on iOS but hate having to switch between my personal and work gmails. Can't wait for them to be rolled up into one on the phone.

I will miss features of iOS. Primarily the ease of use and iMessage. I'm going to hate not being able to answer a text on my Macbook or iPad. But at the same time, my iPad could never multitask, so I would have to close that youtube video or game to respond

Just my opinions and my thoughts why I am looking to switch.

 

[alaahershy]

Note 3

I'm not a samsun fan ,I'm Sony guy but i must tell you that I Think the note 3 is the leader now in the market and the pen that come with it , it just awesome , display is good not the best one but its good for 5.7 inchs , arount 383 ppi, cpu is so powerful and 3gb of ram. Wawwww you can run skyrim on it,so I choose note3 for now.

 

[Fireblade]

Stay with my S4 or switch to the Note 3, have to see it in person.

Apple isn't innovating anymore, they even fail to catch up these days, sad.

 

[blackhand1001]

Completely agree Tech.

Here's a great CNET article about 64-bit processors in mobile and why Apple did it.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...7-chip-makes-sense/?google_editors_picks=true

Actually 64bit isn't what provides any of that performance. The 64bit part will make very little difference. Don't believe me, go look at the benchmarks for the exynos 5250. Its a dual core chip and still rapes most quad cores. (It destroys the a6 and likely the a7) The octa core chips actually have nothing to do with running 8 cores either. They are what are referred to as big-little designs. 4 high power cores and 4 low power cores. Its not just throwing more cores at the issue. The trick is core switching based on the load. This wasn't quite ironed out on the exynos 5410 in the gs4, but it apparantly has been fixed in the exynos 5420.

Also, this discussion is purely about the cpu side. Please do not bring up gpu aspects. That is completely seperate from the 32bit vs 64bit discussion. The idea that the change from 32bit to 64bit will improve battery life is also laughable. The speed improvements from the a7 are not from the 64bit architecture. They are from other things.

I doubt the a7 will be able to beat the snapdragon 800, exynos 5410/20, tegra 4, or even the 5250 in cpu benchmarks.

 

[jrswizzle]

Actually 64bit isn't what provides any of that performance. The 64bit part will make very little difference. Don't believe me, go look at the benchmarks for the exynos 5250. Its a dual core chip and still rapes most quad cores. (It destroys the a6 and likely the a7) The octa core chips actually have nothing to do with running 8 cores either. They are what are referred to as big-little designs. 4 high power cores and 4 low power cores. Its not just throwing more cores at the issue. The trick is core switching based on the load. This wasn't quite ironed out on the exynos 5410 in the gs4, but it apparantly has been fixed in the exynos 5420.

Also, this discussion is purely about the cpu side. Please do not bring up gpu aspects. That is completely seperate from the 32bit vs 64bit discussion. The idea that the change from 32bit to 64bit will improve battery life is also laughable. The speed improvements from the a7 are not from the 64bit architecture. They are from other things.

I doubt the a7 will be able to beat the snapdragon 800, exynos 5410/20, tegra 4, or even the 5250 in cpu benchmarks.

Did you even read the article?

Your posts tells me you didn't....because the jist of the post is the move to 64-bit has little-to-nothing to do with current performance boosts.

And no, I would guess the A7 won't beat this year's Android CPU competitors in benchmarks either. Because Apple's chips NEVER do.....

EDIT: Claims based on Geekbench 2 scores....not comparable to Geekbench 3. Will be running Geekbench 3 tests on my devices for new comparison set.

 

[onthecouchagain]

1: Solution to a nonexistent problem

So what problem existed before finger printer sensor or 64-bit came along (the two examples Jrz uses)? So entering passcodes and passwords were problems? All these years, Apple and others had this problem until the finger print sensor came along?

I don't understand.

2a: Don't care about megapixels. My GS4 takes good pics with a 13MP and my iPhone takes good pics with 8MP. That spec means nothing in practical use

2b. Waterproof would be nice. Not a big concern on my list, and if it was I'd get a lifeproof.

3. Who cares? I don't. See point 2a. 1MP, 10000MP? Does the photo look good is what I care about.

Did you read Jrz's post that I quoted? He considers the fingerprint sensor "not mind blowing nor innovation, but useful."

That's great that you don't care. Why should it matter that you don't care? The point was those are one or two features of those respective phones (and again, they are but a few examples off the top of my head. I noticed you didn't quote anything regarding the Note 3's plethora of useful features).

The point was, every phone has one or two features that are useful and/or forward thinking. The Galaxy S4 had a plethora of what I'd call forward thinking (advancing hands-free gesture based controls, advancing eye-based controls, advancing wireless charging), but not necessarily useful.

So only Apple can define what forward thinking is? Please. They got a lot more "forward" to go before they could even get to where most others are.

4. Have wake commands on the GS4. Sorta neat, but the only practical use so far has been telling my alarm to snooze, any other time it's just as easy to perform a function on the phone and not be a douchey spectacle.

Not even sure what this is about, but okay.

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Anyways, I agree with the above assessment, but my point was not to simply praise Apple. It was to point out the double standard. There are numerous threads here praising each of the above features and the phones they come in, while none of Apple's 3 major new features (all firsts in a smartphone) are given the praise they deserve.

Double standard? I'm sure it happens, but I know you're not talking about me.

And you are really drinking the kool-aid if you think somehow the double standard is not mostly on the side of Apple. I don't even know where to begin here.

And speaking of double standard, again, why do you not appreciate any of the one or two features of other OEMs the way you do of Apple? You're so ready to call Apple's limited feature-list "forward thinking."

I was very quick to appreciate fingerprint scanner and even parts of iOS 7, just as I was able to appreciate what Samsung was offering with their features for the S4 at the time (though I still never got the S4), and all the features of the Note III (a device I'm also not getting). That's being fair.

When was the last time you posted such a lengthy defense for Samsung or any other OEMs for "one or two" useful features? You really put your effort into that post about Apple's 64-big and finger print sensor. Where is your effort for other OEMs? Where is your fairness?


I'm sorry, Jrz. There is a reason why multiple people here keep calling you out on this. You keep thinking there's this narrative that simply isn't there, and you keep thinking all you're doing is offering a "balanced view." Get a grip.

 

[jrswizzle]

Double standard? I'm sure it happens, but I know you're not talking about me.

Just bringing up a thought - wasn't directed toward you or anyone specific.

And you are really drinking the kool-aid if you think somehow the double standard is not mostly on the side of Apple. I don't even know where to begin here.

Don't really see that much here, but ok. I'm not going to argue about this.

And speaking of double standard, again, why do you not appreciate any of the one or two features of other OEMs the way you do of Apple? You're so ready to call Apple's limited feature-list "forward thinking."

Did I not say go for it? I don't feel the need to "appreciate" everything because, as I stated those features get plenty of praise in various threads here.

On the other hand, the features Apple debuted are being met with a lot of hate and misinformation so I felt the need to post positives about them. My posting of positives for Apple is not an indication of how I feel about other companies.

For instance, on numerous occasions I've stated that the GS4 has the PERFECT display-to-device size ratio that I've used/seen. I think they did a masterful job fitting the 5" display in a relatively small footprint.

I was very quick to appreciate fingerprint scanner and even parts of iOS 7, just as I was able to appreciate what Samsung was offering with their features for the S4 at the time (though I still never got the S4), and all the features of the Note III (a device I'm also not getting). That's being fair.

Congratulations?

When was the last time you posted such a lengthy defense for Samsung or any other OEMs for "one or two" useful features? You really put your effort into that post about Apple's 64-big and finger print sensor. Where is your effort for other OEMs? Where is your fairness?

Again, why should I reiterate what numerous other posters are saying? I've stated this numerous times, my posts tend to come from the iOS side for a variety of reasons. Chiefly, being because many times iOS gets the raw end of the deal. You take to mean I'm being unfair, when I'm simply presenting a point of view not widely publicized.

If you want me to give me every opinion on all the devices I've owned so I can be "fair", I suppose I could do that. But with devices such as the HTC One and GS4 and Nexus 4 (which I have positively commented on on numerous occasions), there are already so many threads praising their features.

There are also a lot of threads crushing Apple for the 5S - claiming its a terrible update. My posts offering reasoning behind the counterpoint only serve to refute those complaints.

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I'm sorry, Jrz. There is a reason why multiple people here keep calling you out on this. You keep thinking there's this narrative that simply isn't there, and you keep thinking all you're doing is offering a "balanced view." Get a grip.

Actually, aside from you the only people who "call me out" do so in an extremely trollish and childish manner.

Really you are one of the few who offers at all compelling arguments, albeit I think many times they are misplaced and you assume things I'm not actually saying or thinking.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I want to highlight this part really quickly.....

How many of those features are multiple ways to reach the same end goal or accomplish the same task?

If I have ZERO problem doing a task and I can do it quickly, reliably and efficiently should we praise someone for coming up with another way to do said task?

Its whole, "what problem does this solve" thing Tech brought up. Each of the three features Apple presented addresses specific "problems" or inconveniences. Obviously I'm all for doing things more efficiently, and without having watched the Note 3 demo, I'm sure there are some features in there that are great - but my point remains.

Just a thought/question.

And my reply is exactly the same as I wrote to Tech.

Exactly what "problem" did passwords and passcodes have prior to finger print scanner?

I adamantly spoke against the requirement of needing your password every time you download an app. Requiring the finger print sensor is, in my opinion, still just as stupid, but it's faster now. So I'm for it.

Before, typing in someone's 10-digit phone number was slower. Now, you can use the S-pen, circle it, and bring up an option to automatically not just add it, but call it, text it, edit it, etc. Easier, more options, faster.

Your other example in your post was 64-bit architecture. Groovy. But what "problem" did it create before that?

How about battery life? Battery life can always get better, right? If people were happy with the battery life of the iPhone 5, should it not improve? Can't people benefit from it being longer, better? In a different post, you predicted Apple would focus on battery life of the iPhone 5. You spoke as if this was a worthy and noble venture. Where is the same vigor of praise for Motorola or Samsung's Note series' reputable battery life? Where?

You've got to be kidding me.

You're trying to parse out the features of the competition as not really being that useful for solving a problem that wasn't there, all the while praising Apple for exactly that to an actual higher degree, what with their incremental updates and narrow field of focus in improvements.

What's the point of doubling the graphics? What was the "problem" with graphics prior to the iPhoen 5S' new chip? Why are you not questioning Apple in the same vane you question other OEMs for these types of upgrades and improvements?

Folks, there is no clearer case of Jrz's hypocrisy and double standard than in these last few exchanges with me. Pay attention.

 

[fredaroony]

I think we should praise them, as variety means everyone has the opportunity to do it their own way. BUT...

I also think there is absolutely nothing wrong with adapting to the way Apple has designed their processes and systems. If the "iPhone Way" works perfectly for me, I don't need 72 other ways to send messages or share contacts or whatever. I don't WANT 72 other ways (which just complicate an otherwise basic task). I want simplicity and familiarity over unnecessary variety.

Android diehards seem to have trouble digesting that.

If it works for you and you're happy then thats great. The key is that not everyone is the same and some others like to change things in their phones to suit their needs.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Actually, aside from you the only people who "call me out" do so in an extremely trollish and childish manner.

I'm the only one taking the time to explain and elaborate. Those others who are going straight to the point may be wiser than I.

 

[jrswizzle]

I'm the only one taking the time to explain and elaborate. Those others who are going straight to the point may be wiser than I.

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17876930#post17876930

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And my reply is exactly the same as I wrote to Tech.

Exactly what "problem" did passwords and passcodes have prior to finger print scanner?

I adamantly spoke against the requirement of needing your password every time you download an app. Requiring the finger print sensor is, in my opinion, still just as stupid, but it's faster now. So I'm for it.

Before, typing in someone's 10-digit phone number was slower. Now, you can use the S-pen, circle it, and bring up an option to automatically not just add it, but call it, text it, edit it, etc. Easier, more options, faster.

Your other example in your post was 64-bit architecture. Groovy. But what "problem" did it create before that?

How about battery life? Battery life can always get better, right? If people were happy with the battery life of the iPhone 5, should it not improve? Can't people benefit from it being longer, better? In a different post, you predicted Apple would focus on battery life of the iPhone 5. You spoke as if this was a worthy and noble venture. Where is the same vigor of praise for Motorola or Samsung's Note series' reputable battery life? Where?

You've got to be kidding me.

You're trying to parse out the features of the competition as not really being that useful for solving a problem that wasn't there, all the while praising Apple for exactly that to an actual higher degree, what with their incremental updates and narrow field of focus in improvements.

What's the point of doubling the graphics? What was the "problem" with graphics prior to the iPhoen 5S' new chip? Why are you not questioning Apple in the same vane you question other OEMs for these types of upgrades and improvements?

Folks, there is no clearer case of Jrz's hypocrisy and double standard than in these last few exchanges with me. Pay attention.

Lol - witch hunt? You're insinuating and coming to conclusions that aren't true. But hey, keep going if it floats your boat.

I'll say it again: I don't feel the need to post what others have already posted numerous times on this thread. Don't like it? Fine. That's all I have to say.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I want to reiterate something so it doesn't get lost:

I actually really like the fingerprint sensor and appreciate all it can do for security, for faster passcode/password access.

I said so from the very beginning this is a great feature.

 

[Prototypical]

If it works for you and you're happy then thats great. The key is that not everyone is the same and some others like to change things in their phones to suit their needs.

I never suggested anything to the contrary. Just that there is no reason for disrespect when people choose Apple's path as their preference. Just as complete freedom works for some, simplicity and uniformity is good for others. The latter doesn't make a person any less intelligent or tech savvy.