Well now that the 5S has been announced, which device are you likely to get?

[onthecouchagain]

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=17876930#post17876930

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Lol - witch hunt? You're insinuating and coming to conclusions that aren't true. But hey, keep going if it floats your boat.

I'll say it again: I don't feel the need to post what others have already posted numerous times on this thread. Don't like it? Fine. That's all I have to say.

So, you only rise to the defense of companies when and where it's necessary, regardless if it's Apple or the competition. Noble. So, show me a post or thread by you where you defend or explain to the same degree all the features the competition is offering in the iPhone forum.

You and I both know there's a nice vacuum of "fair and balanced" Android points of views in the iPhone forum.

Show me where you rise to the defense of Android OEMs with the same fervor, detail, and dedication there for Android OEMs as you do for Apple here in the Alternatives.

Make me a believer.


EDIT: I see your link now. That doesn't absolve you from being a hypocrite prior to that. And if I didn't call you out on it, that post wouldn't even exist. I believe your praise, but you're not fooling anyone. Nice, but disingenuous, try. Not to mention, that's not what I'm asking for above.

 

[aneftp]

I have money to burn. So getting Note 3 (ATT version). iPhone 5S (Verizon) and than Nexus 5.

That's my fall lineup.

 

[jrswizzle]

I want to reiterate something so it doesn't get lost:

I actually really like the fingerprint sensor and appreciate all it can do for security, for faster passcode/password access.

I said so from the very beginning this is a great feature.

Lol - ya but make sure any positive thing I've said about an Android device gets lost so you can continue your witch hunt.

Come one Couch....if you just take the posts at face value and stop reading WAY too much into them, we'd have a much better discussion.

FYI, I want you to know - I'm only referring to phones I've owned. As I stated in an above post I can't speak about the Note 3. Never owned one and never saw the demo video. I'm sure there are plenty of great things about the S-Pen. Again, can't comment because I've never used it.

When I talk about "features that don't fix a problem" (notice earlier I also said "inconvenience"), I'm talking about the Smart and Air features on my GS4, or how about the "ultrapixel" camera on the One that attempted to fix low light photo quality, but ultimate (in my mind) failed.

So instead of ASSUMING, I'm talking about EVERY ANDROID phone ever made - stop, breathe and take my post at face value, knowing I own Android, I've said I like Android (and been quite specific about it) and I'm simply presenting a side, few here present or see.

 

[blackhand1001]

I have money to burn. So getting Note 3 (ATT version). iPhone 5S (Verizon) and than Nexus 5.

That's my fall lineup.

huh? Why on so many carriers?

 

[onthecouchagain]

Lol - ya but make sure any positive thing I've said about an Android device gets lost so you can continue your witch hunt.

Come one Couch....if you just take the posts at face value and stop reading WAY too much into them, we'd have a much better discussion.

FYI, I want you to know - I'm only referring to phones I've owned. As I stated in an above post I can't speak about the Note 3. Never owned one and never saw the demo video. I'm sure there are plenty of great things about the S-Pen. Again, can't comment because I've never used it.

When I talk about "features that don't fix a problem" (notice earlier I also said "inconvenience"), I'm talking about the Smart and Air features on my GS4, or how about the "ultrapixel" camera on the One that attempted to fix low light photo quality, but ultimate (in my mind) failed.

So instead of ASSUMING, I'm talking about EVERY ANDROID phone ever made - stop, breathe and take my post at face value, knowing I own Android, I've said I like Android (and been quite specific about it) and I'm simply presenting a side, few here present or see.

Newsflash, you've never owned the iPhone 5S either.


And hope you didn't miss my response here. Make me a believer.

So, you only rise to the defense of companies when and where it's necessary, regardless if it's Apple or the competition. Noble. So, show me a post or thread by you where you defend or explain to the same degree all the features the competition is offering in the iPhone forum.

You and I both know there's a nice vacuum of "fair and balanced" Android points of views in the iPhone forum.

Show me where you rise to the defense of Android OEMs with the same fervor, detail, and dedication there for Android OEMs as you do for Apple here in the Alternatives.

Make me a believer.


EDIT: I see your link now. That doesn't absolve you from being a hypocrite prior to that. And if I didn't call you out on it, that post wouldn't even exist. I believe your praise, but you're not fooling anyone. Nice, but disingenuous, try. Not to mention, that's not what I'm asking for above.

Not only do you make posts about praising Apple, you continue to defend them in those threads. They get pretty lengthy and heated, which is all fine.

Again, show me the same noble fervor and dedication for the competition in the iPhone forums.

 

[jrswizzle]

So, you only rise to the defense of companies when and where it's necessary, regardless if it's Apple or the competition. Noble. So, show me a post or thread by you where you defend or explain to the same degree all the features the competition is offering in the iPhone forum.

You and I both know there's a nice vacuum of "fair and balanced" Android points of views in the iPhone forum.

Show me where you rise to the defense of Android OEMs with the same fervor, detail, and dedication there for Android OEMs as you do for Apple here in the Alternatives.

Make me a believer.


EDIT: I see your link now. That doesn't absolve you from being a hypocrite prior to that. And if I didn't call you out on it, that post wouldn't even exist. Nice try, though.

I'm having trouble wading through all the complaining about the 5S and 5C in the iPhone forum....

Suffice it to say, I've countered the "plastic is cheap and crappy" argument as I find the GS4 to both look and feel very nice.

I've also gone against the screen-size argument as well, in that I'm for larger screens.

And that link/thread is only an combination of statements I've made ACROSS these forums, both Alternatives and iPhone sections. I'm not going through my entire post history to "convince" you Couch. You want to see a certain narrative, go ahead. Funny you accuse me of the same thing.

And hey, I titled it "Appease Onthecouchagain" so feel free to take credit. Just know EACH of those assessments exists within numerous threads here.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I'll be sticking with my S4. The 5S doesn't really interest me. Maybe next year the 6 will bring me back to iOS for my phone.

 

[jrswizzle]

Newsflash, you've never owned the iPhone 5S either.

QED.

This is true - but as I stated, I never saw the release announcement for the Note 3, Moto X, LG G2, Sony phone or any of the other Android phones you're accusing me of indirectly badmouthing.....so I still say I'm not talking about ANY of these phones in my posts.

I'm done with this. It's absurd and you'll believe what you want to believe. See above.

EDIT: Just went through the first 3 pages on the iPhone forum.....not 1 is talking about any other device other than the iPhone and roughly 90% of those iPhone threads are complaints.....not much to defend over there other than the iPhone oddly enough - which I did. Posted a thread about why complainers are idiots that's gone over really well

 

[onthecouchagain]

I'm having trouble wading through all the complaining about the 5S and 5C in the iPhone forum....

Suffice it to say, I've countered the "plastic is cheap and crappy" argument as I find the GS4 to both look and feel very nice.

I've also gone against the screen-size argument as well, in that I'm for larger screens.

And that link/thread is only an combination of statements I've made ACROSS these forums, both Alternatives and iPhone sections. I'm not going through my entire post history to "convince" you Couch. You want to see a certain narrative, go ahead. Funny you accuse me of the same thing.

And hey, I titled it "Appease Onthecouchagain" so feel free to take credit. Just know EACH of those assessments exists within numerous threads here.

Even if you tried to go through your history, I have a feeling it'd be sparse pickings. Remember, it has to be to the same level, degree, fervor, dedication, and detail as you do for Apple. You're trying to prove to me you're fair. You readily go page after page to defend Apple. I have yet to see this type of dedication for anyone else.

Yet, you nobly claim you do it for Apple only when and where it's necessary.

Another word for this is 'hypocrisy.'

 

[jrswizzle]

Even if you tried to go through your history, I have a feeling it'd be sparse pickings. Remember, it has to be to the same level, degree, fervor, dedication, and detail as you do for Apple. You're trying to prove to me you're fair. You readily go page after page to defend Apple. I have yet to see this type of dedication for anyone else.

Yet, you nobly claim you do it for Apple only when and where it's necessary.

Another word for this is 'hypocrisy.'

I already said I'm not proving anything. You're mind is made up. Nothing I say can change it. Good luck with your witch hunt!

 

[Menneisyys2]

Where's the LG G2?

 

[onthecouchagain]

I already said I'm not proving anything.

Yet you started a new thread titled "for onthecouchagain".

Ok...


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Seriously, I hope anyone who just bared witness to our exchange sees the hypocrisy.

Just to recap:

- Jrz asks why isn't anyone offering praise for Apple's one or two features (examples given were 64-bit / finger print sensor).

- I ask, why doesn't he do the same thing for the one or two features of many other companies? Or how about in cases when there are clearly a ton of new features (Note III)?

- Jrz replies, more or less, because they aren't useful or are solving problems that don't actually exist. (In the case of the Note III, he claims ignorance of its features. Fair enough.).

- I ask what problems existed before 64-bit / finger print sensor? He was unable to provide that answer. That's because there is no answer to that. Apple is making things easier/better just like other companies are with their features, but Jrz fails to recognize that to the degree he does for Apple.

- So I go back to the original question, why isn't there the same level of appreciation all around? Isn't this precisely hypocritical and a double-standard?

- Jrz thinks, no, and explains it only seems that way because he feels it's his duty (or something) to defend companies -- not just Apple -- when and where they are needed, offering fair and balanced views. That's been his whole game, "fair and balance."

- I ask him to produce the same "fair and balance" fervor for Android OEMs in the iPhone forums, a place where there's definitely imbalance. He's unable to. The reasons he says he's unable to, well, I leave that up to you to judge.

 

[aneftp]

huh? Why on so many carriers?

Just 2 carriers. Verizon and ATT. I mainly use Verizon line with my iPad/verizon messages app.

ATT is my main line.

I have bullet proof coverage almost anywhere I go.

 

[jrswizzle]

*Sigh* - Alright, here we go.....

Yet you started a new thread titled "for onthecouchagain".

Ok...

I did what you asked and yet that's not good enough? Hmmmm, wonder who could've seen that coming.....

Seriously, I hope anyone who just bared witness to our exchange sees the hypocrisy.

Yes, in fact - peanut gallery feel free to weigh in. On a scale of 1 to 10, how hypocritical am I? I'd love to see what you all think and why!

Just to recap:

- Jrz asks why isn't anyone offering praise for Apple's one or two features (examples given were 64-bit / finger print sensor).

This is a statement of fact.

- I ask, why doesn't he do the same thing for the one or two features of many other companies?

ON a roll with the facts!

- Jrz replies, more or less, because they aren't useful or are solving problems that don't actually exist.

This is my response to your question:

"Awesome, I'm all for it. I'm pretty sure I've seen threads praising each of these devices and those features." (Post #79)

I then go on to agree with what Techarchy said about "releasing features that solve a problem" and I ADD the word "inconveniences". I ask GENERAL questions (truly questions) about the example Couch uses (the Note 3) and state:

" Obviously I'm all for doing things more efficiently, and without having watched the Note 3 demo, I'm sure there are some features in there that are great - but my point remains.

Just a thought/question." (Post #81).

- I ask what problems existed before 64-bit / finger print sensor? He was unable to provide that answer. That's because there is no answer to that. Apple is making things easier/better just like other companies are with their features, but Jrz fails to recognize that to the degree he does for Apple.

True, I didn't answer this because I was too busy defending myself against assumptions and insinuations you made about my above posts....

As I've mentioned now THREE times, I included the word "inconveniences" in my statement. In my mind, having to enter a passcode and password dozens of times a day is extremely inconvenient. The fingerprint scanner, WHILE NOT INNOVATIVE IMO, will be EXTREMELY useful and solve that inconvenience.

You keep leaving out the camera improvements, which I mention, although that one is pretty self explanatory. Us normal folk encounter many problems with smartphone photography from blurry pics, to bad lighting etc.....seems Apple has implemented a bunch of new changes that will help with most, if not all of these issues.

As for the 64-bit processing. You assume WAY too much about my "fervor" for this tech. It was merely a nice example of something that's forward thinking (which may not solve a current problem, but opens up new possibilities in the future) that I used as the starting point of this discussion.

- So I go back to the original question, why isn't there the same level of appreciation all around? Isn't this precisely hypocritical and a double-standard?

I've defended the devices I know about (Android included) on numerous occasions and have ENCOURAGED users to switch to Android because of the polish and ease of syncing with Apple services. I've even given TIPS on how to sync certain things like iTunes match music.

I also created a thread in which I state the various things I REALLY like about the Android smartphones I've owned as a summary of posts that are scattered throughout these forums. It would take far longer than I have to sift through and find those posts, so I sum them up - however this seems to not suffice.

- Jrz thinks, no, and explains it only seems that way because he feels it's his duty (or something) to defend companies -- not just Apple -- when and where they are needed, offering fair and balanced views. That's been his whole game, "fair and balance."

Wrong. The reason I defend Apple is because there are far more threads making outlandish claims AGAINST Apple than against other devices. There are also numerous threads praising Android devices, and I feel I don't need to further echo the sentiment.

Case-in-point, the iPhone subforum is currently FULL of threads bashing Apple and complaining about how terrible the iPhone and 5S update is. I post ONE thread among the sea of complaints to offer "the other side". I don't feel I need to provide the anti-Apple side as its already readily prevelent.

And truth be told, there aren't a lot of threads badmouthing Android devices here because generally, threads discussing non-Apple devices are moved here and there are PLENTY of defenders ready to step in and fill the void.

- I ask him to produce the same "fair and balance" fervor for Android OEMs in the iPhone forums, a place where there's definitely imbalance. He's unable to. The reasons he says he's unable to, well, I leave that up to you to judge.

Feel free to try and sift through the nonsense that's happening on the iPhone forum right now.....perhaps if we had done this a few days ago, it'd be easier. But right now, its an absolute mess.

So anyways, there you have it.

 

[blackhand1001]

Just 2 carriers. Verizon and ATT. I mainly use Verizon line with my iPad/verizon messages app.

ATT is my main line.

I have bullet proof coverage almost anywhere I go.

Are you getting the note 3 subsidized. If not, I would look at getting the unlocked snapdragon version. That way you have the unlocked bootloader and aren't at the mercy of the carriers for updates.

 

[LizKat]

I'm getting the 32GB 5C and perfectly happy with the price, i have a 4S so the step up to A6 is plenty uptick for me and it's the least I will have paid for the power of a smartphone. Also, my other line is eligible for upgrade so I can still go for a 6 next year if I don't like the 5C compared to whatever the 6 brings. Usually I like to lag the curve on smartphone hardware though. So I'm happy contemplating having the 5C for phone, browser, apps, keeping the 4S as a great WiFi device and my favorite reading device, and hanging onto a trusty old LG CU515 as the spare on my other line until next year.

The body and case colors of the 5C remind me of the cheerful colors of the plastic desktops and laptops that Apple came out with way back when. To me, that whimsical touch will just be great fun on iPhones. I'm already nuts thinking which two cases to get. Should be way too old to be into this but some people never grow up I guess.

 

[jrswizzle]

I'm getting the 32GB 5C and perfectly happy with the price, i have a 4S so the step up to A6 is plenty uptick for me and it's the least I will have paid for the power of a smartphone. Also, my other line is eligible for upgrade so I can still go for a 6 next year if I don't like the 5C compared to whatever the 6 brings. Usually I like to lag the curve on smartphone hardware though. So I'm happy contemplating having the 5C for phone, browser, apps, keeping the 4S as a great WiFi device and my favorite reading device, and hanging onto a trusty old LG CU515 as the spare on my other line until next year.

The body and case colors of the 5C remind me of the cheerful colors of the plastic desktops and laptops that Apple came out with way back when. To me, that whimsical touch will just be great fun on iPhones. I'm already nuts thinking which two cases to get. Should be way too old to be into this but some people never grow up I guess.

I like the 5C - the colors, hell even the cases -which I know isn't a popular opinion.

I understand why they priced it the way they did - Apple never said they would be releasing a cheaper iPhone, so it was on us who were expecting it.

HOWEVER

I had two disappointments with the keynote and the 5C pricing was one of them. I had hoped they would hit at least a mid-level price point instead of essentially re-hashing the iPhone 5 and pricing it as if the 5 were still around.

IMO, Apple doesn't have to hit Nexus pricing - but they need to get closer to compete with it. Apple isn't into market share, so again I understand WHY they did it the way they did - I was just hoping to be able to pick one up as a backup.....for $550 - No. way. (although I'm considering using an early iPhone pricing upgrade in Dec....we'll see).

The other disappointment was with the storage. Not necessarily because I want MORE, but because a bump up would mean replacing the 32 GB I have/had would be $100 cheaper

I do think they need to change this though. ESPECIALLY with the move to 64-bit arch.....maybe not overnight, but apps will begin to get bigger and more robust. It's not even about being able to store media. I run out of room for apps on a 16 GB.

Hopefully next year.

 

[WhiteIphone5]

I'm getting the 32GB 5C and perfectly happy with the price, i have a 4S so the step up to A6 is plenty uptick for me and it's the least I will have paid for the power of a smartphone. Also, my other line is eligible for upgrade so I can still go for a 6 next year if I don't like the 5C compared to whatever the 6 brings. Usually I like to lag the curve on smartphone hardware though. So I'm happy contemplating having the 5C for phone, browser, apps, keeping the 4S as a great WiFi device and my favorite reading device, and hanging onto a trusty old LG CU515 as the spare on my other line until next year.

The body and case colors of the 5C remind me of the cheerful colors of the plastic desktops and laptops that Apple came out with way back when. To me, that whimsical touch will just be great fun on iPhones. I'm already nuts thinking which two cases to get. Should be way too old to be into this but some people never grow up I guess.

You're going to love LTE

 

[ichii]

Am I the only one that wants to switch to a Lumia 1020? I'm still waiting for the new Nexus to make my final decision.

 

[xxray]

Note 3.

 

[cuzo]

Android gets owned even in the "alternative to ios section"

smh

 

[Technarchy]

IMO, Apple doesn't have to hit Nexus pricing - but they need to get closer to compete with it. Apple isn't into market share, so again I understand WHY they did it the way they did - I was just hoping to be able to pick one up as a backup.....for $550 - No. way. (although I'm considering using an early iPhone pricing upgrade in Dec....we'll see).

I think Apple in a not so subtle way is making it clear they have no intention of competing on price.

We went through this last year with the iPad Mini when all the internet speculation was aiming for $199 to compete with the Nexus 7.

If this is, or is not, a bad move is unknown at this time, but in reality it is Apple sticking the Apple model of selling the previous generation as the affordable model, only the exterior is redesigned with new colors and case options.

 

[gotluck]

Android gets owned even in the "alternative to ios section"

smh

android = s4 & note 3?

 

[Hankster]

You left what is probably the highest touted Android device available right now - HTC One. I've been with iPhone since 3GS, but I'm done. I want a larger screen and better features that I know I'll use. I'm already set to buy the HTC One in a day or two and will probably sell my iPhone 5.

From all the reviews and videos I've seen the HTC One is flat out amazing in build and performance. I loved the design ever since I saw it day one. In fact, I thought it was an Apple product.

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Android gets owned even in the "alternative to ios section"

smh

Clear representation of a person who knows nothing about the thread he replies to. Laughable.

 

[Brandon263]

Which of the three would you buy?
i created a similar poll, but now i want to add the Note 3. I plan on purchasing my phone this month around the 20th

5S all the way baby!!!