Well, That Was Quick - Bored Already, Not Going To Keep Apple Music

[Benjamin Frost]

Has there ever been a generation that didn't say things like this as they grew older, usually accompanied by a heavy sigh?
Perhaps. But that's really up to the individual, isn't it? On the other hand, we also have access to a much wider spectrum of music today. It used to be that you were mostly limited to what was played on the radio or happened to be in stock in the record stores (mostly driven by a handful of big music labels). Today, we have access to a lot more older, niche and indie music, since the cost of publishing and distributing music has dropped by orders of magnitude.

It's ironic that we are in an age when we have access to more music than ever before, yet the music we create is poorer than has ever been, at least for the past 800 years or so.

We did things better when men focused single-mindedly on one thing.

 

[zone23]

That kind of says it all.

The quality of music in the past twenty years has fundamentally deteriorated significantly. I think this is because we are drowning in too much of everything. Music is a very precious thing, but we are too busy to give it its proper care and attention.

It's not just music that has suffered; it's all art forms. Culture itself.

Yes sir. Things aren't what they used to be. Groups/Artist like Eric Clapton, Led Zeppelin, etc just don't exist they make a song and thats it. Here today gone tomorrow so for me that makes streaming a good option. Doesn't matter if its Apple Music or Spotify. I do still buy albums though because I like to support the artist that I like.

 

[shandyman]

Music is rather more affordable, which is why we buy it. Renting it is throwing money away. That's why no-one in the UK pays to listen to the radio.

Wrong, quite a lot of people in the U.K. Pay for streaming from one of the many available service. That's not 'no-one'

 

[shandyman]

I own a $60,000 BMW. The first 2 years are free, the $140 isn't included in anything, it's not something I actually pay for, it's a promotion to get new subscribers, no different than what Apple Music is doing.

BJ

Wrong. You're paying for it, it's bundled into what you're paying for the car. You just don't know it, as you don't get a breakdown of what you're paying.

 

[shandyman]

What I'm saying is that if "discovery" in Apple Music was working properly it would have looked at my purchase history, looked at my playcount, looked at how often I listen to their songs, and found a way to get the message that the new Tame Impala album was released yesterday.

Making things worse, Tame Impala released a few singles these past few months and Apple Music didn't get any of them onto my radar either in For You, as a song mixed into a custom Playlist, nothing. The one time I actually needed Apple Music to shout something at me it didn't. Instead, it created a playlist called "The Essential Billy Joel" including songs I already had in my purchased Library.

I owe that discovery to you, friend. If I didn't Google Tame Impala to refresh my memory as to when they appeared on Jimmy Fallon I wouldn't have seen the top search result which said "new Tame Impala LP breaks new ground". Google. LOL. Way to go Apple.

BJ

You're still contradicting yourself. You complain about being told about artists you already know about, then complain you don't get told about them.

Also, playcounts don't mean crap.

I've had some new songs mixed into playlists with other artists is not listened to before. That's because I've bothered to use the service properly.

Also, since Apple Music will have already told you about Tame Impala's new album on the 'new' tab, why repeat it on the 'For You' tab? I bet if they had, you'd have complained about that.

 

[shandyman]

No, but what they will do is say "Hey, we need a Lady GaGa clone because Label A has Katy Perry and Label B has Ariana Grande" and "We need to sign another act off of a reality TV contest show because Label C has One Direction".

There was a time where every month or every other month a great new band was emerging back in the early 90's circa Nirvana and REM and Lenny Kravitz and today it's all about cute girls making selfie kissy faces. Apple Music enables more of same.

BJ

This post just proves how out of touch you are.

 

[shandyman]

+1

Spot on, Brother Artimus, spot on.

Apple Music is a way for record companies to mint money on the old stuff so they don't have to try hard on the new stuff. And in the end, I'm not letting my 11 year old daughter build her own iTunes Library full of rented songs because by the time she's 21 she'll lose interest and dump it and it'll all be a waste of time. My 14 year old son, he'll never lose interest in music, but he'll resent the fact that major bands he loves are exclusive to Spotify or Tidal and he is being held hostage, pay that $120 a year or else. It's anti-consumer, it's very wrong for Apple to go down this path.

BJ

Dictatorship parental skills. That's gonna end well....

 

[shandyman]

Yeah, but we know how this plays out. For a 20 year old this will be like 1999 and Napster where we pulled all-nighters for a week to download all the songs we every wanted and then after that week only went to Napster when a new disc we wanted was being released.

After the first month of "I just took 10,000 songs offline in Apple Music for $12!" euphoria wears off, you realize it's the Columbia Record Club. You got a huge amount of songs for nothing but now you have to pay for that gluttony forever.

BJ

Bringing that irrelevant picture out again? Desperation I see.

No matter how many times you try and use that lame thing as a valid point, it's truly not remotely the same.

 

[shandyman]

That kind of says it all.

The quality of music in the past twenty years has fundamentally deteriorated significantly. I think this is because we are drowning in too much of everything. Music is a very precious thing, but we are too busy to give it its proper care and attention.

It's not just music that has suffered; it's all art forms. Culture itself.

A totally subjective opinion, not a universal truth. People say the same thing every decade, going back to the 50's. Boring.

 

[zone23]

A totally subjective opinion, not a universal truth. People say the same thing every decade, going back to the 50's. Boring.

Probably but I don't see people 10 years from now pulling out Britney Spears album and listing too it and saying this is a classic.

 

[boltjames]

My only thing is that I generally get sick of an album or song after a few months so if I don't own it I'm fine with that. I also always have the option to purchase a album if I like it so much. They don't make classics anymore so I don't see the need to really own albums or songs. Its not like a new Led Zeppelin group or album is around anymore. Time have changed music is disposable now. Listen to it then throw it away. YMMV

+1

iTunes Radio and Pandora are very good at exposing us to emerging songs and artists within a genre. I commute by car 10 hours a week and listen to their Alternative stations constantly and they keep me satisfied. Lots of classics, lots of newness, no real reason to buy a service that does the same thing for money. Streaming, when configured properly, replaces the need to take anything offline. A "genre" is the new artist, the "station" is the new album, and it's a constant stream of song after song. I can discover reggae via a free iTunes or Pandora station. It's plenty of music.

BJ

 

[boltjames]

This has to be the funniest thing I have read on this forum yet. May I ask how old your kids are? If they are in their teens, they may very well be the first kids in history that want to hear the same music as their parents.

11, 14, 17.

Despite their father exposing them to some of the best music ever made and a library of 25,000 songs since the day they were born and providing them with iPods, iPads, MacBooks, and iPhones since they were 5, they have very little interest in it. What's on the radio is just fine for them. Today's teens have other entertainment priorities. Apps are the big threat. Online video is the other. Music has turned into background noise, more or less the elevator music of life.

BJ

 

[boltjames]

If you lease it, you don't own it. Frankly, I'm surprised that you are complaining about a $10/month subscription while at the same time throwing away lots of money by perpetually leasing new BMWs.

Leasing and buying cost the same thing unless you keep your car for more than 8 years and there's no way I'm doing that.

Do some research. It's you who is probably throwing away money in old cars without realizing it, could be in new cars for the same money.

BJ

 

[blasto2236]

Probably but I don't see people 10 years from now pulling out Britney Spears album and listing too it and saying this is a classic.

Its tough to say now what will stand the test of time, but if I look back 10 years to 2005 there are no fewer than a dozen albums released that year I still listen to on a very regular basis. There is always going to be manufactured garbage and there's always going to be great, new, exciting things happening. If you bother to look, and don't just make that age old claim that "it's not like the good ole days."

 

[boltjames]

A totally subjective opinion, not a universal truth. People say the same thing every decade, going back to the 50's. Boring.

Again with this cliche?

Back in the 50's it was correct. Back then, Rock, Pop, New Wave, Punk, Alternative, and scores of other Genre's hadn't been invented yet. So my dad in 1955 being told by his Benny Goodman listening dad that new music was awful and my doo-wop The Platters listening dad telling me that the U2 were awful in 1982 made sense. Benny Goodman to The Platters to U2 are vastly different artists playing vastly different musical styles.

Today's a different world. No new Genre's have been invented in the last 30 years of any relevance, a brand new Tame Impala LP released yesterday that my 17 year old is digging sounds suspiciously like a Jellyfish LP that I loved in 1990 which sounded suspiciously like a Queen LP that my aunt loved in 1976 which sounded suspiciously like a Pink Floyd album my mom liked from 1967. Four generations, same sound.

Music today sucks. That's the root cause of the failing music industry and that's the reason Apple Music exists. New music generates no money, old music is being pimped as something of value to a generation of under-20's who don't value it at all.

BJ

 

[Rigby]

Leasing and buying cost the same thing unless you keep your car for more than 8 years and there's no way I'm doing that.

Do some research. It's you who is probably throwing away money in old cars without realizing it, could be in new cars for the same money.

Buying is much less expensive if you pay cash. Personally, I think borrowing money for a car or leasing one is a loser's game (usually played by people who want to drive cars they can't really afford). But that's just me.

 

[boltjames]

Buying is much less expensive if you pay cash. Personally, I think borrowing money for a car or leasing one is a loser's game (usually played by people who want to drive cars they can't really afford). But that's just me.

Keeping $60,000 in the hands of my investment professional will earn me a compounded rate of approximately $8,000 in the 36 months I am slowly making lease payments of $600. I could drive a $200,000 car like my friends do but I choose not to as I find it unnecessarily extravagant.

Again, I encourage you to do some research about cash flow, investing, and which automotive brands have high residuals, commensurately lower monthly payments, and $0 maintenance and repair programs before you continue down this path. Cliche's, stigmas, and thought processes born in the 1980's no longer apply to leasing in 2015.

BJ

 

[boltjames]

Its tough to say now what will stand the test of time, but if I look back 10 years to 2005 there are no fewer than a dozen albums released that year I still listen to on a very regular basis. There is always going to be manufactured garbage and there's always going to be great, new, exciting things happening. If you bother to look, and don't just make that age old claim that "it's not like the good ole days."

There won't be great new exciting things happening in music because the individuals responsible for generating that type of creative artistry aren't being born anymore. The generations in their teens and twenties in 1950, 1960, 1970, and 1980 who created the archive of songs that we love today had no internet, had no cable TV, had no video games, had no Snapchat, no distractions, no competition. John Lennon 1959 wouldn't become the great writer he was if he were born in 1999. That bored, troublemaking orphan failing out of art college playing on a $15 plastic guitar and cutting his teeth in the smoky clubs of Hamburg would instead be flirting with girls on an iPhone app and playing covers on YouTube.

BJ

 

[C DM]

There won't be great new exciting things happening in music because the individuals responsible for generating that type of creative artistry aren't being born anymore. The generations in their teens and twenties in 1950, 1960, 1970, and 1980 who created the archive of songs that we love today had no internet, had no cable TV, had no video games, had no Snapchat, no distractions, no competition. John Lennon 1959 wouldn't become the great writer he was if he were born in 1999. That bored, troublemaking orphan failing out of art college playing on a $15 plastic guitar and cutting his teeth in the smoky clubs of Hamburg would instead be flirting with girls on an iPhone app and playing covers on YouTube.

BJ

Interesting theory...but still only a theory, based on assumptions.

 

[zone23]

Its tough to say now what will stand the test of time, but if I look back 10 years to 2005 there are no fewer than a dozen albums released that year I still listen to on a very regular basis. There is always going to be manufactured garbage and there's always going to be great, new, exciting things happening. If you bother to look, and don't just make that age old claim that "it's not like the good ole days."

"If you bother to look" not sure what thats supposed to mean but I guess we just aren't as in tune as you are.

 

[boltjames]

Interesting theory...but still only a theory, based on assumptions.

Wait a minute: So strangers in a discussion forum are supposed to provide more?

"Theories and assumptions, nope, can't have none of that in a discussion forum, mate." Said no one, ever.

BJ

 

[rd1981]

there's still some good talent out there; but compared to the pre internet era, we've fallen off. I wonder sometimes where the next great singers/songwriters/musicians i.e. Phill Collins or Babyface, or Billy Ocean will come from. Most of the seasoned vets get overlooked these days. I think the music industry has become too teen oriented. It started with the boybands of the late 90's, along with Britney Spears. I'm an 80s baby, and I can remember there being so much good music being on the radio back then, from pop, to rock to r&b. It was very competitive back then.

 

[QuarterSwede]

there's still some good talent out there; but compared to the pre internet era, we've fallen off. I wonder sometimes where the next great singers/songwriters/musicians i.e. Phill Collins or Babyface, or Billy Ocean will come from. Most of the seasoned vets get overlooked these days. I think the music industry has become too teen oriented. It started with the boybands of the late 90's, along with Britney Spears. I'm an 80s baby, and I can remember there being so much good music being on the radio back then, from pop, to rock to r&b. It was very competitive back then.

The really great musicians are almost all indie these days. I listen to a ton that relatively no one has heard of. I think they're more inclined to publish themselves now that it's so extremely easy to do. You can make a good living off of it. You won't become wealthy but you'll be able to provide for your family and that's what most millenials want. Money isn't the motivator for a lot of them.

 

[flur]

Cars don't last forever, they lose their technological edge after 3 years, they get unsafe, and they bleed you dry on out of warranty repairs. It's a depreciating asset. The way to avoid that trap is to perpetually be in new cars fully under warranty. It's what rich people do.

You just got done telling us you own a $60,000 BMW. Now you're saying owning is foolish? Which one is it?

If you think rich people don't own cars, you must not know very many.

 

[Supermallet]

There won't be great new exciting things happening in music because the individuals responsible for generating that type of creative artistry aren't being born anymore. The generations in their teens and twenties in 1950, 1960, 1970, and 1980 who created the archive of songs that we love today had no internet, had no cable TV, had no video games, had no Snapchat, no distractions, no competition. John Lennon 1959 wouldn't become the great writer he was if he were born in 1999. That bored, troublemaking orphan failing out of art college playing on a $15 plastic guitar and cutting his teeth in the smoky clubs of Hamburg would instead be flirting with girls on an iPhone app and playing covers on YouTube.

BJ

Imagine how much more creative people were before the printing press distracted them with all those books!

You've already demonstrated that you have little use for new things, but what you're saying is a new level of crotchety old man ridiculousness.