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JohanCruyff

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The thing is, if the 95W limit is there and limits the cores to 3.8, is it actually worth over the i5? Would love to see those results on the i5.

That's a good point: i5 or "limited" i9? :confused:

95W limited 9900K will do all-core 3.6GHz so either Apple raised the limit a little higher or the PSU is not good enough to supply enough wattage.
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Looks like the same gentle fan curve as iMac Pro. The temp is pegged at 92-93C.

95W or "a little more W" limited? :confused:
 
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Miles Davis

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I’m thinking of getting the 3.7 i5 model, chiefly because it’s the only one that lets you upgrade the storage to a 2GB SSD. It seems kind of over the top and expensive, but I’m looking for a “family Mac” that can serve as the ONE machine that has everything on it (i.e., locally, instead of just iCloud) and that I don’t have to think about anymore. My 2013 MBP’s 512GB SSD is way over the brim and keeping the Photos library on an external sucks. The way I figure it, if another Mac handles the main system storage, that gives me many more options for a portable Mac down the road. It’s a shame you can’t get the 2GB SSD in the lower models. I suppose an extra 4GB for the 580x will be useful though.
 
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cuppino

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I would like to replace my 5k 2017 with i7, radeon pro 580, fd 2 tb, 16 gb ram, with 5k 2019 i9 vega pro 48, 8gb ram (upgrade to 40 with the crucial) 1 tb ssd for work and gaming, but I don't find any bench on windows 10 (I necessarily need a mac but I have to use windows 10 too)
 

johnmcboston

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Sep 16, 2005
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I’m set on a new 27 to replace my current BTO 2012 iMac. But giving no internal refresh (?) I’m waiting for reviews to make sure the i9 and Vega GPU are worth it for gaming.

I'm in a similar boat to you. I have the 2012 imac as well, and it feels about time to upgrade. Although most of my CPU is for photo editing, given 6 years of upgrades I should see some performance.

I would go with the i9, only because of the 32MB limitation of the i5 that I'm reading about here 64MB of memory would be tasty (3rd party form OWC, of course).

Would have to do the 3Tb fusion. all SSDD is nice, but between photo, video and music I'm close to 2TB as it is in personal storage.
 

loybond

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You know you could always get a cheap, fast 2TB SSD in a USB-C enclosure right?

And you could probably get yourself a 13" MBP base model, and plug that 2TB into that as well.

Or you could get a NAS and access your stuff from all the computers in the house.

I’m thinking of getting the 3.7 i5 model, chiefly because it’s the only one that lets you upgrade the storage to a 2GB SSD. It seems kind of over the top and expensive, but I’m looking for a “family Mac” that can serve as the ONE machine that has everything on it (i.e., locally, instead of just iCloud) and that I don’t have to think about anymore. My 2013 MBP’s 512GB SSD is way over the brim and keeping the Photos library on an external sucks. The way I figure it, if another Mac handles the main system storage, that gives me many more options for a portable Mac down the road. It’s a shame you can’t get the 2GB SSD in the lower models. I suppose an extra 4GB for the 580x will be useful though.
 
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Miles Davis

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You know you could always get a cheap, fast 2TB SSD in a USB-C enclosure right?

And you could probably get yourself a 13" MBP base model, and plug that 2TB into that as well.

Or you could get a NAS and access your stuff from all the computers in the house.

But without jury-rigging, a NAS doesn’t really work with downloading iCloud Photo Library originals (the system library), which is my main concern. I use other photo apps for other purposes, but for the stuff in Photos (including everything taken with my iPhone every day), I’m going to continue using Photos. I kind of wish Apple would create a NAS for this very purpose. A digital hub to compliment iCloud.
 
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SkiHound2

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Jul 15, 2018
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I'm in a similar boat to you. I have the 2012 imac as well, and it feels about time to upgrade. Although most of my CPU is for photo editing, given 6 years of upgrades I should see some performance.

I would go with the i9, only because of the 32MB limitation of the i5 that I'm reading about here 64MB of memory would be tasty (3rd party form OWC, of course).

Would have to do the 3Tb fusion. all SSDD is nice, but between photo, video and music I'm close to 2TB as it is in personal storage.

You can upgrade any of them to 64gb. Apple does offer that as an option on the lowest tier 27", but I believe that's only a limitation in that you can't do it through Apple. It's an option on both the middle and high tier configurations. And Other World Computing is saying they'll use 128gb. So you don't need an i9 to get more than 32gb of ram..
 

cuppino

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Nov 14, 2018
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I’m set on a new 27 to replace my current BTO 2012 iMac. But giving no internal refresh (?) I’m waiting for reviews to make sure the i9 and Vega GPU are worth it for gaming.
I am also trying to understand i9 and vega 48 how they behave in gaming.
With imac 5k 2017 i7 and pro 580 I felt good and I wouldn't want to get worse in improving.
It is absurd that we cannot find online tests of new imacs in gaming with bootcamp and osx
 
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Cisto1983

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Jan 29, 2015
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I'm thinking about buying a 2019 iMac as well - my current machine (24" Early 2009, C2D 2.93 GHz, 8 GB ram, 480 GB SSD) is too slow even for basic tasks now.
I think the baseline 27" 2019 iMac + 512 GB SSD would be just fine, but maybe I should check for a refurbished 2017 instead... I don't really know, usually the price gap is 300 € for models with a 512 GB SSD
 

jsmitty

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Just a thought for you and anyone else looking at this option with the 27": Consider going for the high end model instead. There's a weird almost counter-intuitive price scale at play here when converting the fusion drive to an ssd:
27 base ($1799) + 512 ssd = $2099
27 medium ($1999) + 512 ssd = $2299
27 high end ($2299) + 512 ssd = $2399

As you can see above, simply ticking that 512gb ssd option drops the price gap between the base model and the highest one to only $300. What do you get in return:
a.) a much faster cpu (while still an i5, the high end standard cpu is a 9th gen vs the 8th gen in the other models)
b.) a much faster gpu
c.) more vram

I'm leaning heavily towards this option myself even though I'm in the same boat where the base model is plenty enough for my needs. Out of any possible option you could spec these with, that extra $300 is the best bang for the buck.
Damn I didn’t realize that. I ordered the medium + 512 ssd and just picked it up from UPS this morning. Now you have me thinking I need to order the high end and return this one.
 

Mark_EL

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Mar 20, 2019
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After a very (very!) long debate in my head, I finally decided to get of the fence and order a new iMac, to replace my 21.5" 2011 iMac.

I've decided to buy the 27" I9, 512GB SSD, 580X and 8GB RAM. I also ordered 2x 16GB Crucial RAM. I'll be using it mainly for Lightroom, Photoshop, Capture One, some video editing and perhaps later on some Blender 3D. (I'd like to get started on that some day...) I believe (or hope) I made the right choices here with the specs...
 

Nikcib

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Mar 23, 2019
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Damn I didn’t realize that. I ordered the medium + 512 ssd and just picked it up from UPS this morning. Now you have me thinking I need to order the high end and return this one.
He convinced me too. That’s why I still don’t have my computer. I cancelled my 3/19 order and made a 3/22 one instead. Lol
 

jsmitty

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Sep 18, 2016
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I’ll unpack the gen 8 i5 tonight and read some more reviews to decide. I have already fav’d the gen 9 in the apple store app so I have a feeling how that one’s going to go.
 
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boynigel

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Jul 19, 2009
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If you got one, post which 2019 iMac config you ordered!

I ordered the following config and saved some money on RAM since it's user upgradable:
  • 27" 5K
  • 3.6GHz i9 8-core
  • 8GB RAM
  • Vega 48
  • 2TB SSD
Why did I go with this config?

I didn't like that the i5 was the second best option, had the same 95W TDP, and had no hyper threading. I figure this processor will last me a very long time, unless Apple blows everything out of the water with their in-house chips in a couple years. Either way it's already overkill in 2019 for my needs. I'd have probably gone with a lower priced 6-core i7 if it was available.

I'll be ordering two 16GB RAM modules and match the pairs with the two 4GB modules that come with it so I can get the full bandwidth at 40GB of RAM total. Looks like it will set me back about $210-230. Then in a few years I'll be able to upgrade to 64GB if I want by replacing the 4GB modules with new 16GB modules and they'll likely be much cheaper.

I went with the Vega 48 because I want to do some occasional gaming in Windows using Bootcamp. I'm betting the performance should be near the GTX 1070/1660 for gaming, but a good amount higher for general computing since it's more of a workstation chip. I'm mostly a console gamer but wanted to play a few games on PC with a friend. I plan on trying 1440p resolution at moderately high settings for most games and think it should be able to handle that for everything but the most demanding.

I decided to go with the 2TB SSD because I am tired of always running out of space with 512GB on my MBP. Sure it will be connected to external hard drives, but the SSD is much faster, even than my Samsung T5 external SSDs, and lightyears faster than my HDDs. I want to be able to partition a good amount for Windows and a smallish Steam library, while also having room for local sync for iCloud and Dropbox files, which I don't like keeping on an external since they sometimes go to sleep and don't stay updated.

Out of everything I maxed out, which is most everything, the 2TB SSD was the hardest choice. I wish there was more of a 1.5TB option, lol. Oh well. My budget was $4000 and I stayed under that because I work in higher education and got the discounts (it was around $3800). I also opted for the numeric keypad option since it's wireless now. My goal was to spec something that is more advanced than what I need today that would last me 5-7 years, and I think I have done that. I also opted for the 18 month 0% financing as I am very responsible with credit so the cost is spread out over time and I can leave that money invested. I'm excited for it to arrive!
[doublepost=1553893732][/doublepost]As much as i hate to do it, i'm switching to PC for my recording studio computer. call me crazy but if my hard drive or ram fails i like to save money and do it on the cheap myself. using a heat gun and a putty knife to pry off the screen (and pray i don't crack it) to get at the insides is ridiculous. thanks apple
 

SkiHound2

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Jul 15, 2018
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Damn I didn’t realize that. I ordered the medium + 512 ssd and just picked it up from UPS this morning. Now you have me thinking I need to order the high end and return this one.

The pricing on storage options is goofy. I don't really see much reason to consider the middle tier option. Difference in cpu performance between it and the lowest tier option aren't very large, at least when looking at conventional benchmarks. And if you really need better gpu performance neither the 570 nor 575 is the ticket. As soon as you choose an upgraded storage option the price gets very close with the i5 9600k, 580x model.
 

johnmcboston

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Sep 16, 2005
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You can upgrade any of them to 64gb. Apple does offer that as an option on the lowest tier 27", but I believe that's only a limitation in that you can't do it through Apple. It's an option on both the middle and high tier configurations. And Other World Computing is saying they'll use 128gb. So you don't need an i9 to get more than 32gb of ram..

Good to know. Waiting for the teardowns and reviews to see which of the 3 processor options is worth getting :)
 
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macduke

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[doublepost=1553893732][/doublepost]As much as i hate to do it, i'm switching to PC for my recording studio computer. call me crazy but if my hard drive or ram fails i like to save money and do it on the cheap myself. using a heat gun and a putty knife to pry off the screen (and pray i don't crack it) to get at the insides is ridiculous. thanks apple
You can upgrade the RAM yourself which is what I did yesterday when it arrived. Fastest RAM upgrade I've ever done. There is a little button where the power plug connects and you press that in and the aluminum door pops up and you open that and the slots slide forward and you pop them in and slide them back and pop the cover back in. They usually use pretty nice SSDs from Samsung so I doubt yours is likely to fail unless you're just constantly rewriting the entire disk contents repeatedly. One of my friends is upgrading his 2009 iMac that had a mechanical drive for crying out loud.

Do you even need a very high end machine for audio these days? Could probably get by with a Mac Mini (which is actually fairly powerful now) and whatever monitor is lying around since you don't need super accurate color for audio work.
 
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Don.Key

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Jan 11, 2005
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Lowest base 27", will add 32gb memory and 1tb MLC ssd myself. Unless you do heavy video editing or play games regularly there is no justification to get higher configurations. RAM and SSD are the key to excellent all around performance. CPUs and GPUs are so powerful nowadays that even lowly ones are fast enough for me (I do lots of development, run VMs, Docker etc.)
 
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TVreporter

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The prices in Canada are killing me... $3948 (with Apple Care) for the i5 (9th gen), 512SSD , 8GB ram and Vega 48...

This is the system I’d love to get (no need for i9 chip) but I can’t justify $4K ... and my wife would kill me if I hit order.

Apple you’re painfully pricing me out!
:(
 

OdT22

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Oct 28, 2012
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21.5” top tier with 256 SSD and a numeric keyboard. No other upgrades. Hope I get a full decade out of it like the windows desktop (it’s replacing at work) did for me. Probably a bit overkill for spreadsheets, accounting & property management software. But, that looked like the best bang for the buck for what I do daily.
 
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iono11200

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Mar 9, 2012
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21.5” top tier with 256 SSD and a numeric keyboard. No other upgrades. Hope I get a full decade out of it like the windows desktop (it’s replacing at work) did for me. Probably a bit overkill for spreadsheets, accounting & property management software. But, that looked like the best bang for the buck for what I do daily.
Sounds nearly exactly like what I am planning to buy this weekend. Might you share where you are buying from? I have discovered a decent discount this weekend on 2019 iMacs at Expercom.
 

OdT22

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Oct 28, 2012
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Sounds nearly exactly like what I am planning to buy this weekend. Might you share where you are buying from? I have discovered a decent discount this weekend on 2019 iMacs at Expercom.

Through the Apple education store (we have a son in college)

I believe it was north of $1500 usd before tax
 

iono11200

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Mar 9, 2012
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Through the Apple education store (we have a son in college)

I believe it was north of $1500 usd before tax
Thanks for your reply. I'm just looking to see for myself where others are getting the best prices and to share where I've found a discount on these wildly pricey machines. Hope you enjoy your new machine!
 
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igilphoto

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Nov 2, 2018
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Hi people,
Does anybody here ordered a i9 with the 580x?
First impressions are starting to come up,but most of them testing the i9 with the new Vega.
For me personally it’s an overkill and too expensive so I prefer sticking with the 580but seeing how hot the first combo is (hot but it was expected and still performs great) I’m looking to make sure I won’t have trouble with this setup.
Anyone here maybe can help me out with this ?
Interested in knowing if it runs as advertised and also not getting too loud/hot.
 
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