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According to you. Every other source disagrees with you.

Yet, you continue repeating that claim.

Repeating an untruth over and over again until people start to believe it is an old propaganda technique. It goes back to Lenin, at least.

Don’t be surprised when people rub your nose in it after the 13th.
 
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I’m actually enjoying how salty he clearly is over the known delay. I also see in recent posts he’s now moving his own goal posts. First the regular models wouldn’t come until November and now he’s saying October, and the Pro models wouldn’t come until December, now he’s saying November. So basically he’s moving his goal posts to what everybody has been expecting and saying for awhile now. 😂

Smart money all along has been 10/13 for the event, 10/16 regular pre-orders, and public release on 10/23. The Pro’s are a little hard to predict, but mid to late November for pre-orders and release are good assumptions.

Nope, still saying Dec for Pro models. New rumor says they are shipping Nov 27th which is a joke. No company would ever ship the week of Thanksgiving. You'll be waiting until Dec for Pro models.
 
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So, you're damming Apple on a rumor? Wow... You really do have incredibly low standards.

Apple lost a lot of credibility with me when they couldn't deliver their best selling product on time while all of their competition could. Huge failure.
 
Apple lost a lot of credibility with me when they couldn't deliver their best selling product on time while all of their competition could. Huge failure.
Yeah with YOU the key would here is you. Not with the millions of people that will still buy the phone no matter what day time month it is released.
 
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This is correct. This is standard business accounting, not something that Apple does.

Channel sales -- i.e., sales to wholesale -- are considered shipments when they leave the shipping dock. The wholesaler is the customer, not the consumer. If Jane Smith buys an iPhone from an AT&T store, she is AT&T's customer, not Apple's at least in terms of her hardware purchase.

Apple's carrier partners do not sell on consignment. They paid for and own their inventory, just like auto dealerships. That's why retail auto salespeople are so intent on selling you what they have in their lot and not special ordering a vehicle. It's their inventory.

However, iFan is likely incorrect about wholesaler/channel payment. Most likely someone like AT&T or B&H Photo orders pallets of iPhones without prepayment, Apple ships and the terms are 30-, 45-, or 60-days. Unlike direct-to-consumer sales, wholesale transactions work on credit because of a long-standing business relationship.

When you look at Apple's quarterly financials, there's always an accounts receivable line item. That number captures some of those channel accounts who have yet to pay.

There are zero consumers in that line item. Apple will not send a direct-to-consumer shipment without a valid payment, whether it be a credit card authorization, cash at a bricks-and-mortar store, whatever.

Thanks for bringing up terms of 30,45,60 days! You are quite knowledgeable. I believe you are correct here, but I forget the exact terms. I used to have 1:1 convos with directors of finance at AT&T and I'd ask about these items. From AT&T's perspective, the bigger issue was fraud with the zero interest loans. Customer fraudulently opens account, gets 3 iPhones, doesn't pay - AT&T uses creditors but mostly writes it off. These write offs were HUGE after switching from subsidized phones to financing, and were the primary concern for financial types within the carriers. They never brought up the payment terms, etc, but perhaps that didn't impact them at a regional finance level.

There were separate accounting issues both within Apple and AT&T corporate stores when this change happened. Apple retail stores only got sales credit for the $199 of an iPhone sale, and the 400 subsidy got credited to Apple corporate for accounting purposes. Most of this accounting goes over my head, though, despite college accounting classes.

Thanks for your extra knowledge!
 
Just saw John Prosser leak that the 5.4 iPhone Mini (official name) and iPhone 12 6.1" will still start with 64GB. Really disappointing if that's true. When I was with iPhone I never used iCloud but since moving to Android years ago I started really using Google Photos, google drive etc to manage my storage needs. Even with that, I still have roughly 80GB of "stuff" on my current phone so looks like I'll have to shell out for the 128GB. Supremely frustrating if Apple confirms 64GB.
 
64GB models for the 12 mini and 12 from new leaks today

Utterly disgusting from Apple tbh, Pixel 4a comes with 128GB at $349 FFS.
That is rather shocking in 2020 but Apple are well known for overcharging for storage.

It does seem many of the leaks back in June that got us all excited have slowly reduced as the launch gets closer. I am half expecting the standard iPhone 12 not to have an OLED screen and be made of plastic the way things are going lol
 
That is rather shocking in 2020 but Apple are well known for overcharging for storage.

It does seem many of the leaks back in June that got us all excited have slowly reduced as the launch gets closer. I am half expecting the standard iPhone 12 not to have an OLED screen and be made of plastic the way things are going lol

No leakers have actually said what the screen res will be for the mini and 12, I fully expect a FHD 1080p screen on both while the Pro models get QHD.

No way you get everything you've ever wanted on an iPhone mini.
 
The pro models will be oled again or the only thing pro will be better camera, mini will be se with fid, 12 will be similar to 11.
 
No way for same bezels and OLED resolution in 12 and 12 Pro...
Dimensions are exactly the same apparently (from the official case leaks where one case fits both). Seems like they will have the same bezels unless the nonpro is 6.08inch and the pro 6.12inch for example kind of like the iPad Pro vs Air that both fit the same magic keyboard despite the air having a slightly smaller screen with thicker bezels.
 
No leakers have actually said what the screen res will be for the mini and 12, I fully expect a FHD 1080p screen on both while the Pro models get QHD.

No way you get everything you've ever wanted on an iPhone mini.
I’m not overly bothered about the screen in all honesty, 1080p would be perfect. The mini is too small for me too, I’m looking at the 12.
 
No way for same bezels and OLED resolution in 12 and 12 Pro...

Same Bezels and exact same dimensions for both 12 and 12 Pro.
12 pro over 12 is :
3rd camera + LiDAR
6 GB RAM vs 4GB
Stainless steel vs Aluminium
Maybe : better color/constrast on Pro (10 bit color possible vs current 8) or mm-Wave 5G

And that's it.

The question is whether or not you value these bonus points. It is very subjective.

IMO pro-iPhones are not enough appealing to me for given the premium vs non-pro.
I would go Pro if there would be 120 Hz or a smaller notch but I know plenty of people who don't care at all about Hz or notch. Once again it's very personal and depends on what specs you value the most on a smartphone. ;)
 
Same Bezels and exact same dimensions for both 12 and 12 Pro.
12 pro over 12 is :
3rd camera + LiDAR
6 GB RAM vs 4GB
Stainless steel vs Aluminium
Maybe : better color/constrast on Pro (10 bit color possible vs current 8) or mm-Wave 5G

And that's it.

The question is whether or not you value these bonus points. It is very subjective.

IMO pro-iPhones are not enough appealing to me for given the premium vs non-pro.
I would go Pro if there would be 120 Hz or a smaller notch but I know plenty of people who don't care at all about Hz or notch. Once again it's very personal and depends on what specs you value the most on a smartphone. ;)
If those are the only differences then it’s pretty difficult to justify a Pro iPhone based on my own preferences. Lidar and a third camera are not important and I prefer aluminium to stainless steel. Would I really notice the RAM difference in general use? Probably not. I just hope Apple have prices the range sensibly this year.
 
If bezels/size/Oled will be the same - there is smaller differences than last year... 300€ more for third camera and 6GB RAM ? :rolleyes: I'm very curious !

Edit : If 64gb will be base option for 12 and 128gb will costs 919 eur (price in eu when xr launched) then will be 250 eur difference between 12 and 12 pro
 
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I'll begrudgingly pay Apple more yet again for what is commonly and industry-standard amount of storage. It's iPhone 6.1" 128GB for me. I'm ok with a 1080p screen, Apple have always had nice screens, even the iPhone 11 screen was gorgeous to me when I saw it in the Apple store.
 
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Have to say this is something I don’t understand by Apple, why not just make 128GB the base for all models? Lol, 64GB is ridiculously puny. I guess it’s how they force people to go to 256GB.
They've been pulling this crap since the 6 had 16 64 128. They purposely make the lowest something most people can't use so they are "forced" up a level and get gouged by exorbitant storage markups. And they need to up base cloud already too
 
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They've been pulling this crap since the 6 had 16 64 128. They purposely make the lowest something most people can't use so they are "forced" up a level and get gouged by exorbitant storage markups. And they need to up base cloud already too

Indeed. The Cloud Storage and Phone Storage seem to both be a major play by Apple. iCloud they force you to go with 200GB because if you buy a 64GB iPhone and begin to fill it up you will end up moving more stuff to the Cloud including backups, so you will easily pass the 5GB storage and hit the 50GB storage one pretty quickly to, what’s the next option? 200GB madness!

Anyway I tend to take up a lot of storage so my iPhone and iPad Pro are both 256GB and I have 2TB iCloud storage, but I am not an average user.
 
They've been pulling this crap since the 6 had 16 64 128. They purposely make the lowest something most people can't use so they are "forced" up a level and get gouged by exorbitant storage markups. And they need to up base cloud already too
They make the next level more tempting. That said, 64 GB is hardly something that most people can't use (and fairly likely even the opposite of that).
 
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Indeed. The Cloud Storage and Phone Storage seem to both be a major play by Apple. iCloud they force you to go with 200GB because if you buy a 64GB iPhone and begin to fill it up you will end up moving more stuff to the Cloud including backups, so you will easily pass the 5GB storage and hit the 50GB storage one pretty quickly to, what’s the next option? 200GB madness!

Anyway I tend to take up a lot of storage so my iPhone and iPad Pro are both 256GB and I have 2TB iCloud storage, but I am not an average user.
Yea we wouldn't be in any danger of filling 200, but it is just the two of us, so it's not worth it to pay more for 200 than 2 50s. Once One ever comes it will be a moot point because we use enough to get Premier, so we will have enough cloud to not even come close to filling 2% for a while
 
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