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orph

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:V re read the thread i think budget is a factor that has been missed
-capture one is well respected but costs about half the price of your camera so a bad idea
-adobe CC can add up over the years, thats a lot for an hobbyist

Id relay look at the free software that came with your camera it's worth a go or look at Photoshop elements its about £47 on amazon at the mo (UK price) i think it works with raw file's? try the demo (iv never used Photoshop elements).

-rawtherapee is a free option, only had a quick go with it and it seems fine + the free film emulations are relay fun ^^
-photos is relay starting to come along (& free), just had a quick look and it's nice for 99% of what you want (iphoto was/is good to)

edit found some nice info on rawtherapee film simulations, looks fun http://50.87.144.65/~rt/w/index.php?title=Film_Simulation
 

v3rlon

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:V re read the thread i think budget is a factor that has been missed
-capture one is well respected but costs about half the price of your camera so a bad idea
-adobe CC can add up over the years, thats a lot for an hobbyist

Id relay look at the free software that came with your camera it's worth a go or look at Photoshop elements its about £47 on amazon at the mo (UK price) i think it works with raw file's? try the demo (iv never used Photoshop elements).

-rawtherapee is a free option, only had a quick go with it and it seems fine + the free film emulations are relay fun ^^
-photos is relay starting to come along (& free), just had a quick look and it's nice for 99% of what you want (iphoto was/is good to)

edit found some nice info on rawtherapee film simulations, looks fun http://50.87.144.65/~rt/w/index.php?title=Film_Simulation

The software is part of the workflow. You shouldn't ignore it anymore than you would lenses.
Rawtherapee is free, as is Darktable. I just didn't like them. LR is $150ish, or $10 a month if you can handle the subscription. It just wasn't for me. C1Pro is $300 or $10 a month if you do not mind the subscription. I think C1Pro is better than LR, but LR+Photoshop is a a lot more power, so it depends on your needs.

Apple Photos is also free, and also provides cloud syncing which the above software (or CaptureNX or whatever comes with Canon) does not.

Find something that works well with how you like to work: Something that makes you want to take more pictures rather than take more tylenol before sitting at your computer. Again, if you are spending $1000 or (lots) more, going cheap on the software that will process EVERY image you shoot regardless of camera or lens is pennywise and pound stupid.

As I noted, I like Photos with extensions. It gets out of the way and makes my work easier For you, the answer might be different. Find one that works and make the most of it.
 

orph

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there's lots of fun software to try out there ^^ (demos are good)

im still using CS6 and spend most my time in bridge & ACR for still's try to stay out of PS as much as i can.

relay starting to get in to the film emulation kick ^^ it's kind of fun to play with but tends to cost a lot, i relay am amazed by the rawtherapee film emulations just wish i was able to take them in to PP

i do tend to shot jpegs for fun and raw for work or important things
 

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Affinity Photo can open RAW files true, it just isn't very good at processing them, so far. Plus Adobe has lens profiles. Apps like DxO and to some extent Capture One does as well. However, Affinity Photo is meant as a replacement for Photoshop, not Lightroom or Aperture.
Apple's Photos App, since it uses the system RAW converter the same as Aperture, handles embedded lens profiles from Micro 4/3rds cameras, but has no other lens profile support. Obviously the framework is there, but Apple so far isn't prepared to do the substantial work of profiling all the available lenses for all the cameras out there, the way Adobe and DxO are. Photos app does have nondestructive RAW editing though, but not all the professional tools Aperture had, nor the Metadata editing and DAM features, which is a great shame. For some this is enough.
You don't have to have everything in one master Photos library synced to the cloud; you can have libraries on external drives, even referenced images. You shouldn't be syncing a large library of RAWs anyway, better to export edited selects to jpeg into another Photos library set to sync.

That said, as a photographer, I've chosen after some experimentation to move to Capture One, as I like it better than the alternatives like Lightroom, even though it is not a complete replacement for Aperture at this stage. Nothing is so far. Truth be told, I mainly tested Lightroom just after version 4 came out, I switched to it exclusively to give it a fair shake, but I just wasn't enjoying the experience overall; the editing module was great, but my workflow has me switching constantly into the Metadata tab in Aperture as I go though a shoot. Also the Auto adjust in Aperture was vastly superior to Lightroom for my images, which involved a lot more work getting my images to where I wanted them in Lightroom. My relatively brief test of the Demo of Lightroom 6 simply confirmed that the modular interface which was getting in my way is still as it was, and metadata still not as good to edit as Aperture.
So, for now, I have an uneasy halfway transition system of importing into Aperture, using its import dialog to add default metadata and import into my preferred folder structure and renaming scheme, while adding Auto adjust to all the images. From there, I add track files from the Maps module using GPS data from a phone app (currently Galileo), tweaking the somewhat inaccurate location data on the map, and then adding specific metadata and keywords to batches of photos. Being able to do this in batches relatively quickly and easily is important. I rate and colour label some like I used to in order to compare to Capture One, then write Metadata to the Originals, and later when I've quit Aperture, use HoudahGeo to write maps data as well.
This somewhat convoluted method lets me add my metadata and GPS data in Aperture while it still works, writing the data including GPS to the originals so the data stays with the files and can be moved across RAW converters & DAMS, before opening Capture One and importing photos in place so I can use its RAW engine and editing tools. That gets around its current shortcomings in the DAM department. In future, maybe Photo Mechanic will take on import and metadata tagging, or Capture One will improve on its recent version 9 release sufficiently to make it comfortable for me to tag in, including during import. As for GPS track data, I'm not sure... HoudahGeo can do it, but not sure if I can tweak the locations easily without data entry. Maybe avoiding Lightroom won't be as easy down the road.
 
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orph

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hay thats a detailed look at your work flow ^^ looks well developed, can i ask why do you track GPS ?
iv never had the need to use GPS data, tho some times i regret not using it.

Iv got a much simpler workflow
camera -> import to folders dated by day -> adobe bridge, add meta data as i sort images -> work on selected images in ACR if possible dont go in to PS as it's slow :S -export

Iv got a 6D but never use the GPS, dont know why maybe ill try it next time

PS
I do think this is getting a tad complex for someone's first DSLR camera tho :V
 

v3rlon

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Affinity Photo can open RAW files true, it just isn't very good at processing them, so far. Plus Adobe has lens profiles. Apps like DxO and to some extent Capture One does as well. However, Affinity Photo is meant as a replacement for Photoshop, not Lightroom or Aperture.
Apple's Photos App, since it uses the system RAW converter the same as Aperture, handles embedded lens profiles from Micro 4/3rds cameras, but has no other lens profile support. Obviously the framework is there, but Apple so far isn't prepared to do the substantial work of profiling all the available lenses for all the cameras out there, the way Adobe and DxO are. Photos app does have nondestructive RAW editing though, but not all the professional tools Aperture had, nor the Metadata editing and DAM features, which is a great shame. For some this is enough.
You don't have to have everything in one master Photos library synced to the cloud; you can have libraries on external drives, even referenced images. You shouldn't be syncing a large library of RAWs anyway, better to export edited selects to jpeg into another Photos library set to sync.

That said, as a photographer, I've chosen after some experimentation to move to Capture One, as I like it better than the alternatives like Lightroom, even though it is not a complete replacement for Aperture at this stage. Nothing is so far. Truth be told, I mainly tested Lightroom just after version 4 came out, I switched to it exclusively to give it a fair shake, but I just wasn't enjoying the experience overall; the editing module was great, but my workflow has me switching constantly into the Metadata tab in Aperture as I go though a shoot. Also the Auto adjust in Aperture was vastly superior to Lightroom for my images, which involved a lot more work getting my images to where I wanted them in Lightroom. My relatively brief test of the Demo of Lightroom 6 simply confirmed that the modular interface which was getting in my way is still as it was, and metadata still not as good to edit as Aperture.
So, for now, I have an uneasy halfway transition system of importing into Aperture, using its import dialog to add default metadata and import into my preferred folder structure and renaming scheme, while adding Auto adjust to all the images. From there, I add track files from the Maps module using GPS data from a phone app (currently Galileo), tweaking the somewhat inaccurate location data on the map, and then adding specific metadata and keywords to batches of photos. Being able to do this in batches relatively quickly and easily is important. I rate and colour label some like I used to in order to compare to Capture One, then write Metadata to the Originals, and later when I've quit Aperture, use HoudahGeo to write maps data as well.
This somewhat convoluted method lets me add my metadata and GPS data in Aperture while it still works, writing the data including GPS to the originals so the data stays with the files and can be moved across RAW converters & DAMS, before opening Capture One and importing photos in place so I can use its RAW engine and editing tools. That gets around its current shortcomings in the DAM department. In future, maybe Photo Mechanic will take on import and metadata tagging, or Capture One will improve on its recent version 9 release sufficiently to make it comfortable for me to tag in, including during import. As for GPS track data, I'm not sure... HoudahGeo can do it, but not sure if I can tweak the locations easily without data entry. Maybe avoiding Lightroom won't be as easy down the road.


you can get the DXO extension for Photos in the App Store to get more lens corrections.
 

orph

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if you shoot jpeg the Nikon will auto correct lens distortion etc and id gess the Nikon software will do it with raw files in post.
all my canon cameras have lens correction in camera and with raw via the cannon free software.

only thing is the official software tends to only correct official lens's distortion i think but may be wrong (all my lens's are canon)

lens distortion is never a big thing unless your shooting for work :V and even then most the time it's not a problem.
 

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While in the ABSOLUTE minority, I find I really do like Photos for cataloging. I add the keywords I need it it does the trick. Between Affinity, MacPhun, DXO, Pixelmator, and Photos native tools, I can get the job done.

Being able to easily move between Phone, ATV, and Computer, sharing albums, and such seems to matter more to me than what I got from Lightroom. Affinity and Pixelmatr were free with the associated applications, and all the rest cost less than LR perpetual.

For the hard stuff, I can go into a full blown affinity/pixelmator and then back into photos.
Try copy paste adjustments or edit batch. Impossible
 

v3rlon

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Try copy paste adjustments or edit batch. Impossible

You mean like THIS? I know right-click is difficult for some people, but please do try before you speak. BATCH requires a(n unsupported) script, and will probably show up in the fall. Copy/paste is already there.
Screen Shot 2016-04-07 at 8.50.25 AM.png
 

hulk2012

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You mean like THIS? I know right-click is difficult for some people, but please do try before you speak. BATCH requires a(n unsupported) script, and will probably show up in the fall. Copy/paste is already there. View attachment 625580
Talking about pasting adjustments to selected batch. Impossible. So far photos are great when editing individual images but when you've got to work on a series of images..forget it!
 

orph

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never seen it before, not shore how it's better than iphoto/photos or lightroom 6 which are free or cheaper. (not lightroom cc)

the only thing i can see from a quick look on the site is it might be useful in a multi user environment whit mixed osx/windows user base
 

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never seen it before, not shore how it's better than iphoto/photos or lightroom 6 which are free or cheaper. (not lightroom cc)

the only thing i can see from a quick look on the site is it might be useful in a multi user environment whit mixed osx/windows user base

well it LOOKS like a more Aperture-esque take on things, strong on DAM & versioning. I'm waiting to find something that can import my Aperture library without flattening my adjustments to TIFF file versions. Haven't found anything so far.
 

orph

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i use adobe bridge and ACR most the time, that never changes the files just saves a xmp file for each image i change (works like that with jpeg/tiff/raw etc)
lightroom will be the same i gess

i save my images from my camras in to 1 folder for each camra
ie photos from 6D -> go's in 6D folder
then a folder for each day dated like this '2016_04_23' year, month, day

keeps things neat then once my internal drive is getting full i move them on to an external drive

the app may be good tho, just never seen it before

edit hay whats 'DAW' ? thats a new one on me

edit yep a typo :p 'DAM' is what i meant
 
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MarsViolet

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You mean like THIS? I know right-click is difficult for some people, but please do try before you speak. BATCH requires a(n unsupported) script, and will probably show up in the fall. Copy/paste is already there. View attachment 625580

Has that been there from the start, or was it added after the people posting here had already determined that Photos was an insulting Playskool junk app?

What if you want to copy & paste Exposure, but not Crop? Is there a right-click for that?
 

DevNull0

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i dont like subscribing to software

I agree about that.

I bought CS6 design standard for full price as soon as CC was announced and I'm still using CS6. I plan to continue using it as long as it will run on new computers. Then I'll keep an old computer around to keep running it. When the old computer breaks, I'll just start pirating the latest version of CC.

It's too bad, I'm absolutely willing to pay for software, but I refuse to rent it.
 
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MCAsan

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Anymore you never purchase software. You only purchase a right to use license for a specific release/version. You are renting it for a fixed price for an unlimited timeframe. This approach is very cost centric.

With a subscription service you purchase a right to use license for the latest release/version for a fixed length of time. This approach is very latest release centric.
 

MarsViolet

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Anymore you never purchase software. You only purchase a right to use license for a specific release/version.

Whatever. Everybody knows that the license agreement which says you are only buying a license is lawyer BS. In reality, once you pay for a perpetual license, it remains in your possession forever, which is effectively the same as owning so far as any non-douche bag lawyer is concerned. You never have to pay again, and the software never stops working.
 
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orph

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thats not true, laws depend on what country you are in and are enforced differently at different times .

Im still on CS6 as at the mo it's all i need, it dose what i need for work.. that simple
now one day i may have to move to cc for work and i will when that comes.

you dont need pirate software there is a lot of relay good and free photo apps that you can use, for 99% of users gimp is more than you need & RawTherapee is amazing + the free film looks are good.

there is also lots of software alternatives to adobe apps, not to mention canon & Nikon camera's have free software with them..

you can even get open sorce screen calibration software http://www.argyllcms.com/

fond a nice list of free photo apps from raw to Photoshop like etc https://pixls.us/software/
 
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v3rlon

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Has that been there from the start, or was it added after the people posting here had already determined that Photos was an insulting Playskool junk app?

What if you want to copy & paste Exposure, but not Crop? Is there a right-click for that?

That has been there from the start. You ONLY copy adjustments, not crop. So yeah, there is a right click for that. Now if you want to copy the crop, you are SOL. On the other hand, I can't think of a reason to copy and paste crop often enough to need that feature. Your needs may be different.

Really, Photos is free. Have a look. Learn what works and what doesn't. Or don't, but don't make stuff up and complain about it even though it isn't true. No one is saying it can do everything that Lightroom or C1Pro can. At least not anyone that I've seen.

What I say is that it does enough for ME, and it might be ok for other people also. With built in features, I can get most of what I want done. Throw in a couple of extensions and its even better. If I need to do more than that, there is Affinity (my answer to Photoshop), Pixelmatr (my other answer to photoshop), and Portrait Pro. By then, the limit is me, not the software I am using.

I prefer the seamless integration between my devices and cameras (including my phone) that I do use over some (important to other people) features in Lightroom that I didn't use anyway. If I change my mind later, I can re-up my subscription. I won't be able to get the latest version to keep, sadly (and neither will you, Lightroom CC has at least dehaze that LR6 does not so anyone thinking LR7 standalone is coming should prepare for disappointment).

Until I change my mind, I save money. It is like a fee tablet on my wireless plan - that syncs effortlessly with Photos. Win-win for me.
 

MarsViolet

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That has been there from the start. You ONLY copy adjustments, not crop. So yeah, there is a right click for that. Now if you want to copy the crop, you are SOL. On the other hand, I can't think of a reason to copy and paste crop often enough to need that feature. Your needs may be different.

What you're saying is that your simple needs are filled by the worst photography app ever written. Lucky.
 
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