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matttye

macrumors 601
Mar 25, 2009
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Lincoln, England
JB is a step in the right direction, the problem is it isn't portable and doesn't scale very well.

Sure, it's fine on a GS3 international, but only 1% of android phones feature that caliber of hardware. The cost of entry is still high because android at its core is resource hungry, so when people say JB fixes everything, what they really should be saying is JB helps if you already have a well above average android phone.

Edit: For what its worth, if it isn't Exynos, I don't consider it a real GSII or GSIII.

The Galaxy Nexus has a dual core processor clocked at 1.2GHz which was a little slower than the Exynos in the Galaxy S2 based on benchmarks, so it seems the last generation of flagship Androids could run Jelly Bean.

What exactly is so resource hungry about Jelly Bean that it will only run on the best hardware? Given the performance gains the Nexus has seen by running it, I'd say it's evident that it works on older hardware. Unless you'd say that the Nexus is in the top 1% of hardware?

How about the HTC Desire? :p That's quite ancient now and appears to be quite capable of running Jelly Bean.
 

Chrisg2014

macrumors regular
Aug 23, 2010
228
0
USA
It's the software. Like it has been said so many times. But also I think that apple doesn't advertise this is because if you go up to someone and say. Hey do you want a computer that has (making this up here) 3GB of ram, 250GB of storage and a 1.5ghz processer or one that is double the specs and at the same price. Most people would go with the one that has more to offer. If you don't tell them whats under the hood, people won't know that you actually over payed for a computer.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
6,185
992
Las Vegas, NV
Yes, but this seriously results in a degraded battery life.

Actually it doesnt. The GS3 has a better battery life than the 4S while powering a screen 1.3" bigger.

And get your specs straight. The UK GS3 has a 1.4 Ghz quadcore with 1 GB of RAM.

US version has a 1.5 Ghz Dual core, 2GB of RAM.
 

TheMacBookPro

macrumors 68020
May 9, 2008
2,133
3
I'm never buying another android device, and my iPhone 5 should be here on Friday.

Ooooh, congratulations. We're all very excited for you and I'm sure that Samsung/HTC/etc are going to miss the sales that you provided for them in the past very very much :rolleyes:
 

gwelmarten

macrumors 6502
Original poster
Jan 17, 2011
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Actually it doesnt. The GS3 has a better battery life than the 4S while powering a screen 1.3" bigger.

And get your specs straight. The UK GS3 has a 1.4 Ghz quadcore with 1 GB of RAM.

US version has a 1.5 Ghz Dual core, 2GB of RAM.

I was referring to the specs published on the GeekBench page for the phone. But you are right. So instead of it being 4+ x the power, it's 2.5+ x the power. Which is still a lot they are wasting. Idiots.

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Really? This is what I get when I search:

Iphone 5 (1601 points):
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/1030202

Galaxy S3 4-core, 1GB (Non-US version) (1847 points):
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/998950

Galaxy S3 2-core, 2GB (US version) (1683 points):
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/884649

That said, pure processing power isn't necessarily a good measuring stick for how a cell phone performs in day-to-day activities.

Click the link in the MacRumors home page story about the geek bench score for the iPhone 5 - it says 1560 as an average for all S3 devices on the all Android devices page.

May I ask, why do Samsung see it necessary to make two versions of the phone anyway? Do they see the UK market as having different needs to the US one, or is this just some blown up example of A/B testing?
 

nba1341

macrumors regular
Dec 27, 2007
173
0
I was referring to the specs published on the GeekBench page for the phone. But you are right. So instead of it being 4+ x the power, it's 2.5+ x the power. Which is still a lot they are wasting. Idiots.

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Click the link in the MacRumors home page story about the geek bench score for the iPhone 5 - it says 1560 as an average for all S3 devices on the all Android devices page.

May I ask, why do Samsung see it necessary to make two versions of the phone anyway? Do they see the UK market as having different needs to the US one, or is this just some blown up example of A/B testing?

U.S. networks did not support quad-core at the time. Same thing happened with One X
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
Guys, Quad Core Cortex A9 vs Dual Core Cortex A15.

There's nothing magical about OS/hardware integration here, this is simply about Apple having used the latest ARMv7 architecture that can run more instructions per clock than the older architecture.

That's it. No magic here. This is Core 2 Duo vs Sandy Bridge, ARM style.

JB is a step in the right direction, the problem is it isn't portable and doesn't scale very well.

You don't even know the definitions of the words you're using right ? Portable ? Scale ?

What's not portable about Android ? It runs a VM on top of one of the most portable OS kernels around, Linux, and as such can run on multiple CPU architectures without requiring all the applications in the Google Play store to be recompiled to the new architecture. There are already x86 phones (Xolo X900) out there based on Intel's SoC (Medfield). The only thing that requires porting is Davlik itself.

As for scaling ? What are you on about ? The fact that the Exynos 4412 Quad in the SGSIII scores about double what the iPhone 4S, both based on Cortex A9 architectures should tell you all you need to know about scaling : the Linux kernel is one of the best scaling operating system out there. That's why it can run your phone, your TV, your watch and at the same time it can run multi-terabyte SAN switching equipement, mainframe type computers and superdome style clustering environnements.

No seriously, stick to what you know if you want to bash Android, don't bash areas of it that you obviously have no clue about, especially using words that you don't know the definition of.

Anyway, I thought you didn't participate in Android threads since you don't like it ? Why are you wasting time reading and responding to Android threads if the OS doesn't interest you ? I don't go around Windows Phone forums to post if I'm not interested in the product... Are you one of those guys ?

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It's the software. Like it has been said so many times.

And it has been wrong all the times its been said. The Darwin operating system is not anymore efficient at dispatching the type of code that Geekbench runs than Linux is.

You guys need to understand what Geekbench actually is : it's a synthetic benchmark designed to run as many instructions as possible on as many cores as possible without having to wait on any other code. It's just designed to saturate the processor as much as possible.

The OS doesn't really factor in here. This is purely about Cortex A9 vs Cortex A15 and instructions per clock. Anyone who doesn't realise this and thinks it's Apple pixie dust sure doesn't understand a whole out about how computers work.
 

baltoyyz

macrumors member
Mar 4, 2011
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0
I was referring to the specs published on the GeekBench page for the phone. But you are right. So instead of it being 4+ x the power, it's 2.5+ x the power. Which is still a lot they are wasting. Idiots.

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May I ask, why do Samsung see it necessary to make two versions of the phone anyway? Do they see the UK market as having different needs to the US one, or is this just some blown up example of A/B testing?

The battery drain with the quad core and lte would have been to great. So they released the quad core without lte and then dual core with lte. They also added an extra gig of ram in the dual core to make up some speed difference.
 

zbarvian

macrumors 68010
Jul 23, 2011
2,004
2
Ok, this should be in the main thread, but what the hell. I'll bite. Android isn't a resource friendly OS. Much like Windows manufacturers advertise heavily on specs where as Apple doesn't need that much. Reason?

Android is a general OS for all types of phones. So it is in a sense bloated and has to account for several types of configurations as possible.

iPhone OS, is custom tailored to just one set of hardware. Hell, iPhone OS 6.0 dropped the support for iPhone and iPhone 3G in its entirety. Only support for the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S remain. Apple continuously optimizes iPhone OS to make it as fast and performance efficient with as little as possible.

Result? S3 is beaten in Geekbench scores.

This guy has it right.
 

Zaft

macrumors 601
Jun 16, 2009
4,570
4,049
Brooklyn, NY
Who cares about the benchmarks. The Galaxy S3 is the smoothest android device iv encountered. Even smoother then a Galaxy Nexus running JB from my experience.
 

daveathall

macrumors 68020
Aug 6, 2010
2,379
1,410
North Yorkshire
I never knew about these benchmark tests before yesterday. Must admit, it hasn't diminished my enjoyment when using my SGS3, it is as smooth and as fast as my 4S, not that I have or am capable of timing it, it just seems that way, which is good enough for me.

I do wonder about these tests though. As a casual user that doesn't multi task that much, does it really matter that this or that phone is faster by a factor of 41 than the latest offerings? Would I even notice the difference? I don't think so and wouldn't lose any sleep if my phone was a millisecond slower than another.
 

jav6454

macrumors Core
Nov 14, 2007
22,303
6,264
1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
Nope, he doesn't. He's just repeating the same spiel that everyone is. It's about CPU architectures, not about OS differences.

Not withstanding I stated that long before the 5 people before me posted. Given that it is always the case when writing long. At any rate, Ed part of my response is what has been known for a long time.
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
6,753
4,927
As for scaling ? What are you on about ? The fact that the Exynos 4412 Quad in the SGSIII scores about double what the iPhone 4S, both based on Cortex A9 architectures should tell you all you need to know about scaling : the Linux kernel is one of the best scaling operating system out there. That's why it can run your phone, your TV, your watch and at the same time it can run multi-terabyte SAN switching equipement, mainframe type computers and superdome style clustering environnements.

It scales so well that android does not have a reputation for laggy performance...
 

zbarvian

macrumors 68010
Jul 23, 2011
2,004
2
Krait is not as good as Cortex A15 :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krait_(CPU)

Again folks, instructions per clock. Mhz and cores aren't the only thing that changes performance of a chip.

And the A6 is? If the A6 at 1 GHz is substantially faster than a 1.5 GHz Krait, the architecture of the A6 must be far more advanced than an A15 (since A15 is only 40% faster than A9). Not to mention, Krait is a hybrid between an A9 and A15, so it has better architecture than an A9 already. By all accounts, a 1.5 GHz Krait should be significantly quicker than a 1 GHz A6. Face it, Android is not as well optimized for the chipset, and it yields worse performance. There's really no excuse.
 

0m3ga

macrumors 6502
Mar 1, 2012
491
0
It scales so well that android does not have a reputation for laggy performance...

Android being made for all different sized screens and hardware variations is inherently better at scaling apps than iOS. Developers have multiple options to choose from, in terms of how they want their apps to look on various hardware. Apple has also had a similar option built in to their OS for 2 years now, but there has been no incentive for developers to use this option. So, until iOS developers completely rewrite their apps, or make new ones, this is wha5 you need to get accustomed to on the iphone 5. Android doesn't have this issue, because the OS was designed to compensate from the beginning.

Iphone 4S on top, and iphone 5's on the bottom. The white iphone really makes the letterboxing stand out.
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Technarchy

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May 21, 2012
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Android being made for all different sized screens and hardware variations is inherently better at scaling apps than iOS. Developers have multiple options to choose from, in terms of how they want their apps to look on various hardware. Apple has also had a similar option built in to their OS for 2 years now, but there has been no incentive for developers to use this option. So, until iOS developers completely rewrite their apps, or make new ones, this is wha5 you need to get accustomed to on the iphone 5. Android doesn't have this issue, because the OS was designed to compensate from the beginning.

Iphone 4S on top, and iphone 5's on the bottom. The white iphone really makes the letterboxing stand out.
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So?
 

0m3ga

macrumors 6502
Mar 1, 2012
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Weren't you saying that Android doesn't scale well? It does in today's phones running 4.0 and higher. My S3 scales everything beautifully, whether the app is old and designed for a 4" screen or an app designed for 5he Kindle Fire and coming from Amazons app store.

The iphone doesn't hav3 a scaling problem, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SCALE AT ALL. It is awesome that you have a 4 inch screen. To bad none of your apps will be able to use the extra real estate. Might as well just stayed with the 4S. :D
 

Carouser

macrumors 65816
Feb 1, 2010
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The argument amounts to "Android developers have been working with scaling apps, because that's what the platform demands. iOS developers have been working with fixed dimensions, because that's what the platform demands. Therefore, iOS apps don't scale well! Android wins this round, heh."

It ignores the fact that scaling is a dumb solution to the new iPhone/iPod resolution, and isn't a virtue in and of itself. Now iOS developers have to accommodate one more resolution for a few million more potential customers. Big deal.

EDIT: And what ChazUK pointed out below, of course.
 
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ChazUK

macrumors 603
Feb 3, 2008
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Essex (UK)
Weren't you saying that Android doesn't scale well? It does in today's phones running 4.0 and higher. My S3 scales everything beautifully, whether the app is old and designed for a 4" screen or an app designed for 5he Kindle Fire and coming from Amazons app store.

The iphone doesn't hav3 a scaling problem, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SCALE AT ALL. It is awesome that you have a 4 inch screen. To bad none of your apps will be able to use the extra real estate. Might as well just stayed with the 4S. :D

I think he is referring to scaling on low end hardware like how Apple has managed to get iOS to perform well on phones like the 3GS/iPhone 4 but similar specced phones will struggle to run the latest version of Android.
 
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