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Lloydbm41

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Well, in that case I would kindly direct you to the following image:

[url=http://i.imgur.com/4tCDTQ4s.png]Image[/URL]

Now that this thread has gotten horrible off topic...

So then you are just spreading FUD for the sake of it? Just because you hate Google? Or what's the reason? I'm genuinely curious. I ask because you last post regarding Android was completely false. First off, stock Android doesn't com with 6 blank screens (never has) and as of the Google Now's launcher (which you would have gotten with the last OTA on your Nexus 7 acts exactly like iOS, in that it only creates new home screens when icons are added to a new screen. And the stock Android launcher only comes with 5 screens and the stock widgets are simply swiped away, never to be seen again.
So, the question remains, why are you lying about Android? Especially since you have a Nexus 7, it makes your posts even more damning.
 

MikeyMike01

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So then you are just spreading FUD for the sake of it? Just because you hate Google? Or what's the reason? I'm genuinely curious. I ask because you last post regarding Android was completely false. First off, stock Android doesn't com with 6 blank screens (never has) and as of the Google Now's launcher (which you would have gotten with the last OTA on your Nexus 7 acts exactly like iOS, in that it only creates new home screens when icons are added to a new screen. And the stock Android launcher only comes with 5 screens and the stock widgets are simply swiped away, never to be seen again.
So, the question remains, why are you lying about Android? Especially since you have a Nexus 7, it makes your posts even more damning.

I'm very hurt that you would suggest me a liar, very genuinely so. I intend nothing of the sort.

I have been using CyanogenMod (and now Android L beta) on the Nexus 7, which has the AOSP launcher (and not the Google Now launcher). You are right that it has five blank pages, so I do hope you'll forgive me for misreporting it as six.

I don't know why people think I don't understand that the widgets are easily removed. They are. You long press on one and violently fire them skyward (that part's a bit fun). That's not the issue, at all. The issue is having a splintered home screen / app drawer setup. I have many (or a few, or one) home screen, while my apps shuffled off to a secondary menu.

This was not meant to be such an earth-shattering revelation. Paraphrasing, someone said "Widgets are great" and I responded with "I don't care for them".

Not sure what the big controversy is. :confused:
 

ozaz

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The issue is having a splintered home screen / app drawer setup. I have many (or a few, or one) home screen, while my apps shuffled off to a secondary menu.

That's interesting, I *much* prefer this model of having all my apps neatly organised in an alphabetised app drawer with only a few personally chosen apps on my home screen.

Do you prefer the iOS model of throwing everything onto your homescreen (you can emulate in a non-manual way by using a launcher which auto-creates home screen shortcuts), or something else?
 

Oohara

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I don't know why people think I don't understand that the widgets are easily removed.

Because what you actually wrote was that the homescreen widgets were one of the main reasons why you had left Android. If you knew that they could be removed, why even state them as a reason for leaving the OS? That's like saying you had left iOS 7 because of the parallax animation. It doesn't make sense at all - that's why we thought you were not aware that they could be removed.

Not sure what the big controversy is. :confused:

You were arguing a point that didn't make sense whatsoever, and when someone pointed that out you called them rude and then resorted to name calling, in fact being the rude poster yourself.

Maybe your reasons for disliking Android are actually not quite what you wrote in your original post? If so you would be better off simply clarifying that, and then perhaps people wouldn't think you were posting only to provoke people.
 

Oohara

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I don't dislike Android.

Pardon me, let me rephrase that then:

Maybe your reasons for having left Android because you "found homescreen widgets repulsive" are actually not quite what you wrote in your original post? If so you would be better off simply clarifying that, and then perhaps people wouldn't think you were posting only to provoke people.
 

MikeyMike01

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Pardon me, let me rephrase that then:

Maybe your reasons for having left Android because you "found homescreen widgets repulsive" are actually not quite what you wrote in your original post? If so you would be better off simply clarifying that, and then perhaps people wouldn't think you were posting only to provoke people.


It's a bit exaggerated, perhaps.
 

kingalexthe1st

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You were arguing a point that didn't make sense whatsoever, and when someone pointed that out you called them rude and then resorted to name calling, in fact being the rude poster yourself.

I think this :
Not true, as I said before you can turn on or off widgets so your issue is a non issue and is pure fabrication.

If you would stop making up stories, I would prefer that.

would qualify as being rude. There's 'pointing it out' in a civil manner, but when someone insinuates you are lying and then signs off with a smart-ass remark, that's rude. I'm on MikeyMike's side. He may not have been totally clear in the first place, but that's no reason to be so defensive about an OS.
 

fredaroony

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I think this :

would qualify as being rude. There's 'pointing it out' in a civil manner, but when someone insinuates you are lying and then signs off with a smart-ass remark, that's rude. I'm on MikeyMike's side. He may not have been totally clear in the first place, but that's no reason to be so defensive about an OS.

It all started with this https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19323403/

I'm not defensive at all but I do have an issue with people making up stories.
 

Oohara

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I think this :

would qualify as being rude. There's 'pointing it out' in a civil manner, but when someone insinuates you are lying and then signs off with a smart-ass remark, that's rude. I'm on MikeyMike's side. He may not have been totally clear in the first place, but that's no reason to be so defensive about an OS.

I'm not out to defend anything but a basic level of politeness and sticking to the truth while posting. I like and dislike Android and other OSs equally.

His post was in reply to this post, which was already a smartass and rude reply to rightly being called out on saying things which simply weren't true:

My issue is that most launchers put widgets front and center, when I just want to get to my apps and be on with it. This should be pretty obvious. :rolleyes:

If you could have a civil conversation about it, I'd prefer that.

But at this point...

It's a bit exaggerated, perhaps.

...I think words can't do anything more. So I'll just leave you with this:

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MikeyMike01

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His post was in reply to this post, which was already a smartass and rude reply to rightly being called out on saying things which simply weren't true:


There's nothing even remotely rude about what I posted there.

I even put a happy face. For ****ing happiness.
 

Zaft

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iOS has google now. It's not as integrated but it's there. So I wouldn't really list that as an advantage.
 

SpoonCody

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I could go into detail if you'd like, but basically, in short... I can make Android adapt to my specific needs. Versus what feels like the other way around with my 5C where I have to adapt to iOS. And a lot of times, "adapting" means accepting that I can't do certain things.
 

Lloydbm41

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I'm very hurt that you would suggest me a liar, very genuinely so. I intend nothing of the sort.

I have been using CyanogenMod (and now Android L beta) on the Nexus 7, which has the AOSP launcher (and not the Google Now launcher). You are right that it has five blank pages, so I do hope you'll forgive me for misreporting it as six.

I don't know why people think I don't understand that the widgets are easily removed. They are. You long press on one and violently fire them skyward (that part's a bit fun). That's not the issue, at all. The issue is having a splintered home screen / app drawer setup. I have many (or a few, or one) home screen, while my apps shuffled off to a secondary menu.

This was not meant to be such an earth-shattering revelation. Paraphrasing, someone said "Widgets are great" and I responded with "I don't care for them".

Not sure what the big controversy is. :confused:

Sorry, but what you posted originally was nothing but pure b.s. and now I am certain that you did it purposefully. If I see something like that, I'll call the person out. I'm disappointed that there are people like you still out the spreading bogus info to the uninformed masses in an attempt to sway their purchase toward Apple. And I have looked through your post history. You hate on Google quite frequently and have done so for years.
 

Heavy Fluid

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My issue is that most launchers put widgets front and center, when I just want to get to my apps and be on with it. This should be pretty obvious. :rolleyes:

If you could have a civil conversation about it, I'd prefer that.

Apex Pro. When you access the app drawer, there are settings to show how YOU would like it to show. Don't want to see widgets at all? You can do that. When I access my app drawer on Apex Pro on my Moto X, it is an alphabetical list of all the apps on the device.

What exactly are you asking the device to do? With the customization possibilities that are available on Android, I am sure that what you want it to do, can be done, easily.

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Mxbzz

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Even the 'gimmicky' launchers don't put widgets front and center as one poster described. I'm using Aviate and love the minimalistic approach they created.
 

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jrswizzle

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Torrenting, customization and file system are the things I hear constantly.....

(1) You CAN torrent on iOS without a jailbreak - you just have to google it to find out. Is it as simple as downloading an app? No.....but its possible.

(2) File system is overrated. In all the time I had an Android device, not once did I WANT to access the file system. And the times I HAD to (to move photos), it was an immense pain. iOS has never given me a reason to access the file system. And I assume iCloud Drive will further negate the need.

(3) Customization is such a subjective thing....I can tell you I saw it as a negative in my time with Android. Always tweaking something....never being completely satisfied....it was a pain. I like consistency and simplicity. If one can get that from iOS out of the box, why bother spending countless hours "tweaking"?

FWIW, I really like Android. L looks fantastic and I hope to pick up a Nexus 5 (maybe when the 6 comes out I can get one on the cheap) to keep a toe in the ecosystem. Android has come a long way and does a ton of things extremely well. My biggest pet peeve (consistency) is being addressed with L which makes me happy.

But iOS is so seamless. I don't think about file systems and launchers and such because the device just works well out of the box. And iOS 8 will be addressing my biggest pet peeves with iOS as well (3rd party keyboard, ability to get out of group texts etc) while adding some killer new stuff (extensions, continuity).

Both OSes have matured to the point where each excels at most everything and falls short in very few areas. Really, if you're a techie, I think having both in your daily routine is best. But if not and you have to choose, I think it simply comes down to customization vs simplicity (not that Android is difficult - simply the set up process requires more).

Really, you can't go wrong either way IMO (stock Android that is.....don't get me started on skins....yuck).
 

MikeyMike01

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Sorry, but what you posted originally was nothing but pure b.s. and now I am certain that you did it purposefully. If I see something like that, I'll call the person out. I'm disappointed that there are people like you still out the spreading bogus info to the uninformed masses in an attempt to sway their purchase toward Apple. And I have looked through your post history. You hate on Google quite frequently and have done so for years.

My posts in this thread are 100% genuine. I don't know what has caused you to believe otherwise, but it's a bit upsetting.


However, if you want look through a real post history, I'd suggest this one:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2771239
 

MikeyMike01

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Torrenting, customization and file system are the things I hear constantly.....

(1) You CAN torrent on iOS without a jailbreak - you just have to google it to find out. Is it as simple as downloading an app? No.....but its possible.

Yes, it's these sort of function that Android does much better than iOS. I have a Linux server and the selection of Android apps for remote transmission, ssh, sftp, etc. is much better than iOS.
 

pdqgp

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We don't know this? Speculation is all we have, but if a keyboard can function with an iPad, so can a mouse. And in graphic designing and certain games, a mouse would be awesome on an iPad.

meh....tend to agree with others....mouse not so much. Keyboards yes, but a mouse no. I have a mouse....it's my finger. In graphic design, we use tablets and a stylus. The iPad is a tablet and you can use a stylus on it. Game wise, can't comment as I don't game.

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Sorry, but a 3.99" screen at 326ppi in this day is pathetic. Talk about eye strain

someone needs a higher add-power in their glasses :D

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My issue is that most launchers put widgets front and center, when I just want to get to my apps and be on with it. This should be pretty obvious. :rolleyes:

I'm with the others on this matter...the idea of widgets is to put them front-center and at your fingertips. If however you want to get to your apps, just move widgets to a non-first page home screen. I keep many on page 2 or 3 of my phone. As others have said too, launchers such as Nova Pro are awesome and very efficient. Not sure what you don't like about them.

In the end, rather than debate, it may be easier to find out exactly what you do want to do or have it look like so others can chime in on how to achieve that vs debate particulars around it.

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iOS has google now. It's not as integrated but it's there. So I wouldn't really list that as an advantage.

not being fully integrated does make Google Now on an Android a huge plus or advantage over the way it's implimented on iOS. Actually the other way around, I wouldn't list having Google Now on an iPhone whereby it's not integrated as an advantage for iOS. It's not.
 

bean dip

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That's interesting, I *much* prefer this model of having all my apps neatly organised in an alphabetised app drawer with only a few personally chosen apps on my home screen.

Do you prefer the iOS model of throwing everything onto your homescreen (you can emulate in a non-manual way by using a launcher which auto-creates home screen shortcuts), or something else?
I prefer live tiles but unfortunately wp store is Barron. Android is second best though.
 

ozaz

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I prefer live tiles but unfortunately wp store is Barron. Android is second best though.

I guess the difference in the organisation model between WP & Android is you get a single infinitely long home screen on WP with no deadspace between app shortcuts, instead of multiple home screens.

Is this organisational difference what you are referring to, or is it more the basic functionality of live tiles?

In case you're not aware, there are WP style launchers with in the Google Play store with at least some live tile functionality (e.g. Launcher 8).
 
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