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Yep, most people seemed to have loved the book. I couldn't really see past the poor humour, lack of emotional response to being stranded on a planet and no character depth whatsoever. Fantastic concept, very poorly executed. I see you've read some Lee Child. We're not going to agree on much I don't think. Killing Floor was the worst book I ever read.

well, we can agree to disagree. and i wouldn't go as far as to say that tm was written well but it was written well enough for me to like.

i'm hooked on those goofy "reacher" books now. and yer correct KF wasn't written very well. the next one, die trying was a little if not much better.

don't worry though, i've read many a classic and i like those too.
 
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Catcher in The Rye, for the hundredth time. It's a great book, if you want to know the truth ;)

Ah. Catcher In The Rye.

Actually, I have come to the conclusion that sometimes, your encounter with a book can come a little too early, or, that bit too late, in your life for that perfectly magical moment when you meet a book you just immediately and instantly click completely with, to occur. This is the magical moment when you experience that wild flash of savage joy, an intense insight of complete comprehension - and utter understanding - as what the book describes mirrors exactly what you have thought, or felt, or wondered, but perhaps had been unable to - or didn't dare to - quite articulate, or put into words.

I suspect that Catcher In The Rye is a teenagers' book, and I have no doubt that had my 14 year old, or 15 year old, or 16 year old self tripped over it, I would have been - maybe not ecstatic, but certainly utterly gripped by the thought that here was someone who could actually see through the facade of much modern life, life as lived and lied by adults, that here was someone who actually 'gets it' and whose outrage at sham is liberating to read.

However, I read it when I was well into my twenties, and with it came a searing (and yes, surprising) insight that I no longer felt, thought, or acted like a teenager. That world was now behind me.

In fact, my response surprised me, as I wanted to shake Holden Caulfield - hard, and administer a robust booted kick to his rear end. It was this response which triggered my rueful recognition that I no longer empathised with the teenaged mindset or dwelt psychologically in the alienated teenage world.
 
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I just started reading Lexicon by Max Barry based on reviews.. and just like the reviews, the first 10 pages are like grinding sandpaper. However they say it gets a lot better so I'll hang in there.
 

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I just started reading Lexicon by Max Barry based on reviews.. and just like the reviews, the first 10 pages are like grinding sandpaper. However they say it gets a lot better so I'll hang in there.

I heard about that book. I'm planning on studying linguistics in college--so this sounds particularly interesting to me. I hope it does turn out to be good.
 

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well, we can agree to disagree. and i wouldn't go as far as to say that tm was written well but it was written well enough for me to like.

i'm hooked on those goofy "reacher" books now. and yer correct KF wasn't written very well. the next one, die trying was a little if not much better.

don't worry though, i've read many a classic and i like those too.
Yeah we're likely to agree on some others. I'm not heavily into classics and i like crime fiction, that's why I read Killing Floor, and regretted reading it. That book told me that anyone can write a best seller. The fact that it has inspired many amateur writers to get into the fast track of self publishing is a bit sad but should be of no surprise in a world of lack of value, low substance. it makes it quite difficult to find a decent book based on reviews as well. I read somewhere that about 30% of online reviews were paid for, making them irrelevant. Reviewing systems are just not a great system anyway. How can there only be three stars between your most favourite book and the worst one you ever picked up?

I went off on a tangent there but it's because my faith in picking up a great book based on reviews or sales is really challenged these days and it's more annoying than getting fingers caught in a car door.
 
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Yeah we're likely to agree on some others. I'm not heavily into classics and i like crime fiction, that's why I read Killing Floor, and regretted reading it. That book told me that anyone can write a best seller. The fact that it has inspired many amateur writers to get into the fast track of self publishing is a bit sad but should be of no surprise in a world of lack of value, low substance. it makes it quite difficult to find a decent book based on reviews as well. I read somewhere that about 30% of online reviews were paid for, making them irrelevant. Reviewing systems are just not a great system anyway. How can there only be three stars between your most favourite book and the worst one you ever picked up?

I went off on a tangent there but it's because my faith in picking up a great book based on reviews or sales is really challenged these days and it's more annoying than getting fingers caught in a car door.

Does that not depend on who the actual reviewer might be?

Numbers - irrespective of how many there are - don't sway me, but a positive review written by someone whose knowledge, perspective, or taste, I respect, or, which appears in a respected publication, - or, a word of mouth recommendation from someone whose judgement I rate and respect, will all - possibly - have some small influence on me, and might persuade me to buy such a book.
 
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Does that not depend on who the actual reviewer might be?

Numbers - irrespective of how many there are - don't sway me, but a positive review written by someone whose knowledge, perspective, or taste, I respect, or, which appears in a respected publication, - or, a word of mouth recommendation from someone whose judgement I rate and respect, will all - possibly - have some small influence on me, and might persuade me to buy such a book.
Yes but then you're limited to the books that have bene read by people you know or know them to be similar in taste to you. Fake reviews aren't just star ratings, they are written reviews and often look convincing.
 

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Yes but then you're limited to the books that have bene read by people you know or know them to be similar in taste to you. Fake reviews aren't just star ratings, they are written reviews and often look convincing.

No, not necessarily.

I read books on topics that interest me, irrespective of who reviewed them. However, the name of the author will - or may - determine my decision to purchase the book in question.

Reviews assume an increasing importance for me, 1), when I don't know much about a subject and am debating and deciding upon which book - if there are a few - I would like to read on that topic, and 2), if it is a topic I am already quite familiar with, and aware of much of the scholarship in the field, and there is a lot already written, then, I will consult reviews - using the criteria I outlined above - to sort out what is worth investigating further and discarding that which I feel merits little by way of further time.
 
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No, not necessarily.

I read books on topics that interest me, irrespective of who reviewed them. However, the name of the author will - or may - determine my decision to purchase the book in question.

Reviews assume an unceasing importance for me, 1), when I don't know much about a subject and am debating and deciding upon which book - if there are a few - I would like to read on that topic, and 2), if it is a topic I am already quite familiar with, and aware of much of the scholarship in the field, and there is a lot already written, then, I will consult reviews - using the criteria I outlined above - to sort out what is worth investigating further and discarding that which I feel merits little by way of further time.
Yeah I don't think it matters what your criteria is as only books recommended by people you know you are similar in taste to or classics that have stood the test of time will be more likely to live up to the hype/recommendation. Even well respected and successful authors shouldn't get it so easy. There's been many question marks around some famous authors and whether they are even writing the books they put their name to.
 

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Yeah I don't think it matters what your criteria is as only books recommended by people you know you are similar in taste to or classics that have stood the test of time will be more likely to live up to the hype/recommendation. Even well respected and successful authors shouldn't get it so easy. There's been many question marks around some famous authors and whether they are even writing the books they put their name to.

Yes and no.

If I have read a book that impressed me, I will more than likely take a look at another book by the same author. However, if it fails to meet the standards of its predecessors, I have no hesitation in saying so.

There are a number of historians who have written one or two superb books, but who have written some pretty awful works as well. Admitting this causes me no grief whatsoever (although I have some suspicion that it might have possibly cost me an academic position a decade and a half ago, but that is a another story).
 

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Yes and no.

If I have read a book that impressed me, I will more than likely take a look at another book by the same author. However, if it fails to meet the standards of its predecessors, I have no hesitation in saying so.

There are a number of historians who have written one or two superb books, but who have written some pretty awful works as well. Admitting this causes me no grief whatsoever (although I have some suspicion that it might have possibly cost me an academic position a decade and a half ago, but that is a another story).
Well my point on authors was more about ones you haven't read yet but as they have a high reputation, it can seem to be less risky. Yet, it's maybe more risky than expected. I'm not a massive book reader but I have never been disappointed in anything that Michael Connelly has written. Now, he would endorse authors such as Robert Crais who I think is not in the same league as Connelly. That's my belief after taking Connelly's word for it and reading one of Crais' books. I won't read another by him, yet he is hugely successful and always pops up in recommendations in Goodreads (which is another flawed system).
 

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Yeah we're likely to agree on some others. I'm not heavily into classics and i like crime fiction, that's why I read Killing Floor, and regretted reading it. That book told me that anyone can write a best seller. The fact that it has inspired many amateur writers to get into the fast track of self publishing is a bit sad but should be of no surprise in a world of lack of value, low substance. it makes it quite difficult to find a decent book based on reviews as well. I read somewhere that about 30% of online reviews were paid for, making them irrelevant. Reviewing systems are just not a great system anyway. How can there only be three stars between your most favourite book and the worst one you ever picked up?

I went off on a tangent there but it's because my faith in picking up a great book based on reviews or sales is really challenged these days and it's more annoying than getting fingers caught in a car door.

Good stuff though. Well put, well said.
 

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Ah. Catcher In The Rye.

Actually, I have come to the conclusion that sometimes, your encounter with a book can come a little too early, or, that bit too late, in your life for that perfectly magical moment when you meet a book you just immediately and instantly click completely with, to occur. This is the magical moment when you experience that wild flash of savage joy, an intense insight of complete comprehension - and utter understanding - as what the book describes mirrors exactly what you have thought, or felt, or wondered, but perhaps had been unable to - or didn't dare to - quite articulate, or put into words.

I suspect that Catcher In The Rye is a teenagers' book, and I have no doubt that had my 14 year old, or 15 year old, or 16 year old self tripped over it, I would have been - maybe not ecstatic, but certainly utterly gripped by the thought that here was someone who could actually see through the facade of much modern life, life as lived and lied by adults, that here was someone who actually 'gets it' and whose outrage at sham is liberating to read.

However, I read it when I was well into my twenties, and with it came a searing (and yes, surprising) insight that I no longer felt, thought, or acted like a teenager. That world was now behind me.

In fact, my response surprised me, as I wanted to shake Holden Caulfield - hard, and administer a robust booted kick to his rear end. It was this response which triggered my rueful recognition that I no longer empathised with the teenaged mindset or dwelt psychologically in the alienated teenage world.

I initially read Catcher in The Rye during Highschool - the whole class had to. At that time I was wasn't on track to graduate, and I was suffering from pretty bad depression so needless to say it spoke to me. Now that I've graduated and grown up I totally understand where you're coming from, but I will always love this book as it reminds me of a hard time, that I now actually miss.
 
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I initially read Catcher in The Rye during Highschool - the whole class had to. At that time I was wasn't on track to graduate, and I was suffering from pretty bad depression so needless to say it spoke to me. Now that I've graduated and grown up I totally understand where you're coming from, but I will always love this book as it reminds me of a hard time, that I now actually miss.

I read it way back in HS too. In my class I was the only one who did. I went to a private christian school and it was just barely on the list!

Yes, they were an uptight bunch!

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Yeah we're likely to agree on some others...

Quoting ya just to get your attention, I would like to add that I feel the Harry Potter stuff was poorly written.

I can only assume she got better as the series went along. But I couldn't get past the first 100 pages of the first novel.
 

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I read it way back in HS too. In my class I was the only one who did. I went to a private christian school and it was just barely on the list!

Yes, they were an uptight bunch!

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Quoting ya just to get your attention, I would like to add that I feel the Harry Potter stuff was poorly written.

I can only assume she got better as the series went along. But I couldn't get past the first 100 pages of the first novel.

The Harry Potter series did get better as it went along and as J K Rowling developed increasing confidence and sureness of touch with her characters and in her story.

To my mind, the first book is a charming introduction to the series, but it is unmistakably a children's book. I'd argue that the second book - while good - is actually the weakest of the seven.

However, books three (Prisoner of Azkaban, which is a really lovely and well balanced book) to the last book, book seven (Deathly Hallowes) are all excellent and get better, deeper and darker as the series progresses. Unusually, the seventh book - the final book, is actually the best of the lot, as J K Rowling manages to bring her series home with a tour de force finale.
 
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The Harry Potter series did get better as it went along and as J K Rowling developed increasing confidence and sureness of touch with her characters and in her story.

To my mind, the first book is a charming introduction to the series, but it is unmistakably a children's book. I'd argue that the second book - while good - is actually the weakest of the seven. However, book three to book seven are all excellent and get better, deeper and darker as the series progresses. Unusually, the seventh book - the final book, is actually the best of the lot, as J K Rowling manages to bring her series home with a tour de force finale.

and for the record i like young adult fiction. Jerry Spinelli is one of my favorite authors.
 
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and for the record i like young adult fiction. Jerry Spinelli is one of my favorite authors.

I'm rather partial to Garth Nix (his Abhorsen trilogy series is outstanding), while Scott Lynch (the Gentlemen Bastard series), Jonathan Stroud (the Bartimaeus series which is excellent and highly original), Carol Berg (most of what she has written), and Brandon Sanderson (his Mistborn series) are all well worth looking at.
 

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I just finished The Remains of the Day, which had me in tears at the end--excellent book. Today I began Within a Budding Grove, the second volume of Proust's In Search of Lost Time. It took me a long time to get into Proust (the first 100 pages or so were still a huge challenge) but after that I began to love his style.
 

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I just finished The Remains of the Day, which had me in tears at the end--excellent book. Today I began Within a Budding Grove, the second volume of Proust's In Search of Lost Time. It took me a long time to get into Proust (the first 100 pages or so were still a huge challenge) but after that I began to love his style.

Agree about the challenge presented to the reader by Marcel Proust: (Robert Musil presents a similar challenge).

And agree also about The Remains of the Day. A beautifully written, superb, elegiac book, penned in a meticulous prose style which - for once - was faithfully translated to the screen as a first rate - and actually rather moving - movie with an outstanding cast which captured the novelist's (Kazuo Ishiguro) story exceptionally well.
 

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I haven't seen the movie yet, but I intend to now after reading the book. I also really enjoyed Ishiguro's "Never Let Me Go", so he's fast becoming one of my favorite authors.

Well, I have seen so many examples where books I loved were simply annihilated, traduced or destroyed by Hollywood, that I dread to hear or learn that a work I rate highly is about to be translated to the big screen in the form of a movie adaptation.

However, a few rare exceptions exist of where a sensitive and intelligent adaptation, intelligently cast and exquisitely written has occurred, and the movie adaptation of The Remains of the Day is one such. Actually, it is first rate.
 

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I read it way back in HS too. In my class I was the only one who did. I went to a private christian school and it was just barely on the list!

Yes, they were an uptight bunch!

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Quoting ya just to get your attention, I would like to add that I feel the Harry Potter stuff was poorly written.

I can only assume she got better as the series went along. But I couldn't get past the first 100 pages of the first novel.
I've never read any Harry Potter. The first half hour of the first movie was enough for me.
 
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I expect they are. My sister loves them but I haven't been intrigued enough to pick one up. I might add them to my goodreads reading challenge.

Well, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the first two are the weakest in the series (for different reasons); they actually do become excellent from the third book on.
 
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