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I just finished "Devil's Gate," by David Roberts. It is the history of the Mormon Emigrants trek to Utah by handcart over the Oregon-Mormon Trail. As you might guess, the consequences were quite tragic!
 
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i think you would enjoy American Gods. it is not without flaws, but it is certainly well written and it has a mix of mistery/historical mythology/fantasy that i think you'd find appealing.

as far as Ursula LeGuin, you might be right, and maybe in 1968 it was "better" relative to what was available then. but it certainly is eons removed from Tolkien both in terms of world building, storytelling and writing.
She is very influential and i haven't read anything else by her so i will withdraw any broader judgment, as i imagine her best work is elsewhere. btw, you would NOT like the treatment of women in this book (especially considering a woman wrote it) :D

re: Neal Stephenson, my fav work of his is Cryptonomicon. really loved that one.

Agree that Cryptonomicon - a terrific book, and a really rollicking read.

From what I can see, in the mid to late 60s, there wasn't an awful lot available in the fantasy field, and so, yes, Ursula Le Guin is viewed as having been very influential. Actually, I have noticed that quite a number of other writers in the field - especially women - have name checked her as an influence.

Well, attitudes to women (even from, and in some cases, especially from, other women) were sometimes fairly retarded and retrograde in the 60s. I think the 60s get a great retrospective press - possibly better than they deserved in some ways. However, while the 60s were a time when attitudes (to women, to war, to blacks) began to be questioned - a great many of the real changes in laws and rights tended to come somewhat later.

Okay: I'll keep an eye out for 'American Gods', then, on your recommendation.
 

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Finished The Martian, thumbs up!

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Good read, glad it was not over the top, and hopefully the movie will closely follow the book. Most interesting was how technology was utilized in this survival drama to overcome life threatening obstacles. And I'm glad the author did his technical homework.

Have yet to see the movie, but while reading I had pictured Irrfan Khan in the role of Vincent Kapoor, who played the CEO of Jurrasic World, but no. No biggy. :)

I plan on watching the movie later tonight.
 

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interesting.
you are the first person i come across who didn't like it.
Yes there doesn't seem to be many of us. But, the best thing about reading a crap book are the reading the bad reviews, which I enjoyed from Amazon and Goodreads.

Just finished reading Blindsighted by Karin Slaughter. Well written and good suspense. I think I'll read more by her. She doesn't over cook the characters and keeps things balanced, similar to Michael Connelly.
 

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I'm currently reading The Devil's Chessboard which is about Allen Dulles, good read. It's been a while but I'm knocking about 100 pages a shot.....when I actually get time to read.
 
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i think you would enjoy American Gods. it is not without flaws, but it is certainly well written and it has a mix of mistery/historical mythology/fantasy that i think you'd find appealing.

as far as Ursula LeGuin, you might be right, and maybe in 1968 it was "better" relative to what was available then. but it certainly is eons removed from Tolkien both in terms of world building, storytelling and writing.
She is very influential and i haven't read anything else by her so i will withdraw any broader judgment, as i imagine her best work is elsewhere. btw, you would NOT like the treatment of women in this book (especially considering a woman wrote it) :D

re: Neal Stephenson, my fav work of his is Cryptonomicon. really loved that one.

On the topic of women characters in fantasy, this is an area where - until relatively recently - the depiction of women, or female characters was so predictably tediously trite, banal, clichéd and unimaginative that it really used to irk me.

More recent writers tend to do a lot better and write women better - as people who happen to be female rather than their Female Otherness defining their every (limited and clichéd) utterance and action.

Scott Lynch, Brandon Sanderson and Guy Gavriel Kay all write women well, and offer a variety of perspectives and individuals whom you can come to think of as people.


I think MRU posted this earlier, but I'm absolutely loving "Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children"

That sounds fascinating - what on earth is it about?

I'm currently reading The Devil's Chessboard which is about Allen Dulles, good read. It's been a while but I'm knocking about 100 pages a shot.....when I actually get time to read.

Now, that sounds like my kind of book. Do you recommend it and think it worth reading?
 

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Definitely, I love books that go down to the nitty gritty detail of how power works, this is one of those books.

Ah, and so do I. Very much so, in fact, not least because it can be so dramatically different from anything one studied or taught as an academic.

Thanks a lot for the recommendation. At their best, some of the US histories are very well written and highly readable.
 

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Ah, and so do I. Very much so, in fact, not least because it can be so dramatically different from anything one studied or taught as an academic.

Thanks a lot for the recommendation. At their best, some of the US histories are very well written and highly readable.
If you're into that kind of stuff I can't recommend "Typecasting" and "PR!" by Stewart Ewen enough. He is the definitive historian of propaganda ("PR" it was renamed after WWII). PR! is great to read first (it starts slow, but with Ewens interview of Edward Bernay's (the father of American propaganda), one of the last he gave in his life), then if you move onto Typecasting you'll have a MUCH better understanding of how many of the stereotypes and commonly held myths of society came about.

Fascinating stuff.
 
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If you're into that kind of stuff I can't recommend "Typecasting" and "PR!" by Stewart Ewen enough. He is the definitive historian of propaganda ("PR" it was renamed after WWII). PR! is great to read first (it starts slow, but with Ewens interview of Edward Bern's (the father of American propaganda), one of the last he gave in his life), then if you move onto Typecasting you'll have a MUCH better understanding of how many of the stereotypes and commonly held myths of society came about.

Fascinating stuff.

Sounds like some investigation is warranted on Amazon this evening.

Thanks a lot for the recommendations. These sound fascinating. And yes, I do love that sort of lateral history - it gives a different perspective on things, and can throw an extraordinarily interesting light - from an unexpected angle - on some of the more formal narrative histories that I more usually read.
 
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Leviaton Wakes (2011)- Reading a sample on iBooks. Of note it appears that Apple, Amazon, and Barnes & Noble have all got their prices coordinated at $9.99. The TV show The Expanse, the SyFy Netwok version, although it has potential, some awesome action, the characters did not agree with me. I blame it on the director as the book follows the TV show closely with minor differences and it feels much warmer than the show. That could be my brain digesting the story vs being force fed by SyFy Network. ;) I predict I will purchase this.

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Just finished 'I am Legend'. I watched the Will Smith movie some years ago and thought it was ok. That movie seems to tell a very different story and doesn't even relate to the title of the book. Anyway, the book is excellent and definitely one that's hard to put down.
 
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Yeah we're likely to agree on some others. I'm not heavily into classics and i like crime fiction, that's why I read Killing Floor, and regretted reading it. That book told me that anyone can write a best seller. The fact that it has inspired many amateur writers to get into the fast track of self publishing is a bit sad but should be of no surprise in a world of lack of value, low substance. it makes it quite difficult to find a decent book based on reviews as well. I read somewhere that about 30% of online reviews were paid for, making them irrelevant. Reviewing systems are just not a great system anyway. How can there only be three stars between your most favourite book and the worst one you ever picked up?

I went off on a tangent there but it's because my faith in picking up a great book based on reviews or sales is really challenged these days and it's more annoying than getting fingers caught in a car door.

Jack Reacher books... I'm into my third one and I can't see me reading a 4th...
 

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Reading David Roberts 'The Lost World Of The Old Ones: Discoveries In The Ancient Southwest, his first book on the topic was excellent.
 
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