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I think Caputo has not written book-length nonfiction specifically about Sudan. He did some reporting for National Geographic in 2000-2001 from Somalia and Sudan, including covering some interesting UN-umbrellaed cargo flights which may or may not have carried only or exactly what was on the manifests, etc., etc. He does have some memoir-based work out, some of it a mix of fiction and personal recollection, about time spent on military service or jobs in Vietnam, Africa, Middle East. He has reported on the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, and about the ebb and flow of immigration-related chaos at the US-Mexican border.

Caputo’s accounts of experiences in Beirut are chilling, and when encountered by a reader in more recent times, unavoidably call to mind what happened to Daniel Pearl later on, except that Pearl didn’t get out. Those near-miss experiences were apparently enough to set Caputo to thinking about his own mortality and to turn down a few offers to report again from Afghanistan, recalling that just the terrain nearly defeated him when he was 38, so how great could it be trying it on again at 61. He splits his time now between Arizona and Connecticut.

In general I’d agree with your post on the not always successful transition to fiction from journalism. In Caputo’s case what carries the writing --past the flaws I had noted in the earlier post-- is that he writes from such a keen eye for physical detail. Could be the way grass or sand moves in the wind or the way wrinkles fall in different clothing in different environments, or how someone stands while leaning against a railing or a wall. You can imagine it, sure. If you are about detail and have been there, it shows.

Somehow that does keep at least key characters from being “cardboard”, to the point where those misses on dialogue matter less, and I’m drawn into the reality that Caputo is trying to project. Not too shabby for a number of scenes where people are just standing around talking... which as I’m sure you know can seem to be a lot of what goes on “forever” in countries subject at once to erratic or organized violence, interventions by assorted levels of local or tribal rule, foreign governments and NGOs, all layered over people simply trying to get from a dawn to a nightfall in a place where nothing is simple, nor easy.

There’s no attempt by Caputo to make anyone or any concept -- particularly the net value of NGOs struggling to help pick up the pieces of endless wars-- play out on a higher plane than those we manage in reality, even in unruffled places and times. His characters are out there dealing with each day as an entity with a mind of its own and however it seems to choose to unfurl. That he creates that sense of randomness of life arising to destroy its own plans is part of what helps hold the novel together.

So, we get glimpses of special graces and capabilities, along with unadorned observations of selfishness, sexism, racism, duplicity, generosity, bravery, humility, pride, regret, bragadoccio... and true acts of faith for good or evil, depending on who’s looking. Another pass through that book by a good editor (and probably a more compliant Caputo lol) could improve it but I did enjoy it enough to keep it instead of putting it in the hand-along basket.

I loved a brief scene where a character was inquiring of --ribbing, actually-- a female flight engineer (who was also an experienced bush pilot and the owner of the plane they were about to board) about whether instead of just continuing on as air transport for hire and putting up with the uncertainties, the dangers of sub-Saharan Africa, she hadn’t just dug in and built up that little private airline company because she figured the ongoing strife in Sudan was going to let her retire in good style someday?

How Caputo described her look then, and the beat of silence, might have been typical characterization as response for that sort of insult. So those were there, but then Caputo threw in something I hadn’t expected: the guy’s gesture extending the silence: arms half outspread, palms up. Not apologetic; annoyed she had tried to call him on it without answering, and so challenging her silence.

I liked that it was up to me to decide who really called out whom there. In real life, we know both parties can walk away from that stuff and call it a win but mostly because we cannot truly know each other’s interior motives. In Acts of Faith, the moment was a microcosm of operations in the cynical, altruistic, opportunistic environment generated in conflict zones amid the sufferings of vulnerable populations. It was also, in an entirely casual segue from one scene to another, a glimpse at the engines of the entire novel.

You raised a good point about sexism. I'll sometimes give a pass to what seems a sexist characterization of opposite gender. But: only where it seems like it’s the fictional character doing the describing, not the author’s attitude as overlay. Where it’s more clearly the latter, and it’s recurrent throughout the book, well, that can cause me to flip the book into my recycle box on the back porch.

I hasten to say I can feel this way about books written by women as well, with respect to the way they write about men, or have a female character relate to a male. The latter can lend realism if it’s sexist but suits the character being drawn, the former is a sign of “cardboard city” and doesn’t usually send me looking for more books by same writer.

An excellent example of someone who was able to turn such experiences (he had served in the military) into exceptionally good fiction (informed by fact and lived experience) is Phil Klay, and his book "Redeployment", which is a selection of short stories.

The book received excellent reviews when it was published, and I was curious as to its contents, and how it treated of these topics.

Then, I confess that my heart sank when I read the first story, which was about foul mouthed soldiers heading off on leave, and depicted macho posturing and crude, limited, bleak lives; certain dudes like to write about - and show their mastery of - the language of this world in a dialect where language is almost absent but is used - proudly - as an almost inarticulate tool of aggressive bonding, domination or sometimes cruel competition.

However, I persevered, and realised that each story is different, and is told in a different tone, and that some of them are really excellent.
 
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An excellent example of someone who was able to turn such experiences (he had served in the military) into exceptionally good fiction is Phil Klay, and his book "Redeployment", which is a selection of short stories.

The book received excellent reviews when it was published, and I was curious as to its contents, and how it treated of these topics.

Then, I confess that my heart sank when I read the first story, which was about foul mouthed soldiers heading off on leave, and depicted macho posturing and crude, limited, bleak lives; certain dudes like to write about - and show their mastery of - the language of this world in a dialect where language is almost absent but is used - proudly - as an almost inarticulate tool of aggressive bonding, domination or sometimes cruel competition.

However, I persevered, and realised that each story is different, and is told in a different tone, and that some of them are really excellent.

I think what you've just written about is why I often prefer their books to film adaptations.
 
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Robert Jackson Bennett - Foundryside.

Foundryside is the first of his new series? Had you read the rest of the "Divine Cities" series, or just the City of Stairs one that you had mentioned earlier?

I'm just finishing up a second novel by Anne Hillerman now, Cave of Bones. Read her Song of the Lion before that. One more in that category left (she's continuing the series begun by her late father, Tony Hillerman) but I hope she's working on another. I think I've been reading them in the wrong order but no matter really.

They are police procedurals of a sort, but all set in the complexities of relationships between federal, Arizona / New Mexico state law enforcement and the Navajo tribal laws.

I had forgotten how much I had enjoyed the six or seven books by Tony Hillerman that I had read of his Leaphorn and Chee series... and now I'm thinking to fish the rest out of the library if they have them, or find used ones. There are 19 of them in total, so the dozen or so I have not read should suit me in the evenings once the days grow short and it's time to be indoors earlier.

The long, long reach of "six degrees of separation" is at hand here really. A friend who was a fan of the Detroit Tigers used to stop up here to watch double-A baseball games when the Oneonta team was part of the Detroit farm system. One time he brought along a friend who was from the Santa Fe, New Mexico area, where the Hillermans are from. But he was then living in Chicago, and happened to have in hand a Tony Hillerman paperback acquired at O'Hare when he was catching the plane to NYC, then heading up here with our mutual friend. He finished that book over the weekend and left it behind, so of course I glommed onto it and got hooked on the series. Of course I have no idea how I got distracted from rounding up the whole rest of Tony Hillerman's Leaphorn and Chee series earlier on, but now I'm looking forward to doing that.
 

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Foundryside is the first of his new series? Had you read the rest of the "Divine Cities" series, or just the City of Stairs one that you had mentioned earlier?

I'm just finishing up a second novel by Anne Hillerman now, Cave of Bones. Read her Song of the Lion before that. One more in that category left (she's continuing the series begun by her late father, Tony Hillerman) but I hope she's working on another. I think I've been reading them in the wrong order but no matter really.

They are police procedurals of a sort, but all set in the complexities of relationships between federal, Arizona / New Mexico state law enforcement and the Navajo tribal laws.

I had forgotten how much I had enjoyed the six or seven books by Tony Hillerman that I had read of his Leaphorn and Chee series... and now I'm thinking to fish the rest out of the library if they have them, or find used ones. There are 19 of them in total, so the dozen or so I have not read should suit me in the evenings once the days grow short and it's time to be indoors earlier.

The long, long reach of "six degrees of separation" is at hand here really. A friend who was a fan of the Detroit Tigers used to stop up here to watch double-A baseball games when the Oneonta team was part of the Detroit farm system. One time he brought along a friend who was from the Santa Fe, New Mexico area, where the Hillermans are from. But he was then living in Chicago, and happened to have in hand a Tony Hillerman paperback acquired at O'Hare when he was catching the plane to NYC, then heading up here with our mutual friend. He finished that book over the weekend and left it behind, so of course I glommed onto it and got hooked on the series. Of course I have no idea how I got distracted from rounding up the whole rest of Tony Hillerman's Leaphorn and Chee series earlier on, but now I'm looking forward to doing that.

Just City of Stairs.

I have been looking for the second and third book in the "Divine Cities" (City of Blades and City of Miracles) series; yesterday I was in the capital - for a concert (Glinka, Shostakovich, Rachmaninov, Khachaturian - wonderful) - and went exploring - local book shops didn't stock them or were all sold out.

So, I ordered them, - from a shop - I prefer bricks and mortar to Amazon - but do not expect to receive them before Friday at the earliest.

Meanwhile, Foundryside - which I expect is the first of a new trilogy - has just been published this week.
 
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Very impressed with the writing of Robert Jackson Bennett: Not only does he pass the Bechdel Test (with flying colours - his work features some superb female characters), I would class his writing as not unlike that of Scott Lynch (whose work I love), and the best of Brandon Sanderson (such as the Mistborn Trilogy), but with a wonderfully inventive voice that is very much his own.
 

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To which (re Robert Jackson Bennett's "Divine Cities" trilogy, or Foundryside) praise (good characters, especially good female characters) I would also add excellent world-building, good story telling, and internally logical (and original) systems of magic.
 
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Philip Caputo's novel about the Sudan. Acts of Faith (2005).


A cast of hundreds, or thousands it sometimes feels like, and maybe that's closer to the truth. Looking out from the viewpoint of post colonial Sudanese enmeshed in serial civil wars and surviving (or, not) on luck of the draw, or the fortune of being the object of yet another NGO's earnest attentions... for awhile... The do gooders of the world may have some accounting to do in the hereafter... for having got distracted, corrupted, or co-opted. Truth put to fiction could hardly be more clear.

Couldn't put the book down for all its flaws (too long, needs better edit, dialogue not his forte). Caputo knows the now two Sudans of which he wrote while they were one but at lethal unease. Not his best novel but it can break your heart anyway or maybe that's just Sudan's fate bound to do that. I prefer Caputo's nonfiction as it more suits his journalistic background, but will likely choose to read through this novel again over winter, while I still have some of its sprawling structures and relationships half stored in memory.



Phil Caputo....A Rumour of War. A Vietnam classic! It’s been around forever.
Phil was a Marine. The book has to be 40 years old. S
 
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OK, I'll report back soon.

Thank you; that sounds as though it is - or could be - the sort of book that is either brilliantly written and absolutely fascinating, or incredibly tedious to read, even though the topic itself is extremely interesting.

I used to teach history and I could never understand how some of my colleagues managed to make such a fascinating and compelling subject so tedious in the classroom, while others wrote books that were such a trial to read that they made you want to strangle yourself and murder them. How can you make such brilliant material into such a grind?

But when you come across a good (that is, interesting, entertaining) history book (or teacher) you could lose yourself in that world forever.
 

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Update on my Kindle experience…

Well, sadly I have returned it.

I think I gave it a fair trial. A couple train journeys, a couple weeks' reading in bed while the SO slept, out and about with me to coffee shops etc.

In the end I found that for all its usefulness, it just isn't for me — not yet at least.

I love physical books and magazines. End of.

When technology catches up — as I am sure it will — I may give it another go. But it ended up being just another electronic device to schlepp about. A book I can toss into a shopping bag — the Kindle I felt on edge with, keeping it from scratches and harm.

But right now, carrying around 200 books in my bag, ability to change fonts and sizes etc just do not matter that much.

*sigh*

Tell you what though, moan and complain about Amazon as many folk do, I cannot fault their customer service. Kudos.
 

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Update on my Kindle experience…

Well, sadly I have returned it.

I think I gave it a fair trial. A couple train journeys, a couple weeks' reading in bed while the SO slept, out and about with me to coffee shops etc.

In the end I found that for all its usefulness, it just isn't for me — not yet at least.

I love physical books and magazines. End of.

When technology catches up — as I am sure it will — I may give it another go. But it ended up being just another electronic device to schlepp about. A book I can toss into a shopping bag — the Kindle I felt on edge with, keeping it from scratches and harm.

But right now, carrying around 200 books in my bag, ability to change fonts and sizes etc just do not matter that much.

*sigh*

Tell you what though, moan and complain about Amazon as many folk do, I cannot fault their customer service. Kudos.

Oh, yes, a heartfelt and profound amen to this post.

I, too, love physical books, magazines, and sometimes, even physical newspapers.

This past fortnight, I have been buried in Real Books - history, politics and fantasy. Sheer, unadulterated bliss.
 

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....... I could never understand how some of my colleagues managed to make such a fascinating and compelling subject so tedious in the classroom, while others wrote books that were such a trial to read that they made you want to strangle yourself and murder them....

Fortunately The Fall Of The Ottomans is in the "enjoyable and interesting" category. I'm finding that Rogan is very good at organizing and presenting his material.

I think he's particularly good at providing concise bites of the background information that's inevitably needed to clarify the context of whatever he's writing about at the moment.
 
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Fortunately The Fall Of The Ottomans is in the "enjoyable and interesting" category. I'm finding that Rogan is very good at organizing and presenting his material.

I think he's particularly good at providing concise bites of the background information that's inevitably needed to clarify the context of whatever he's writing about at the moment.

Excellent; I must look into placing an order for it, in that case.
 
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