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AVBeatMan

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Re-reading Iain Pears brilliant "An Instance of The Fingerpost". I was given this copy from an old girlfriend and throughly enjoyed it. There are 4 different versions of a murder, from 4 different people, all sound convincing but which one is true?

From the synopsis;

"When a fellow of New College in seventeenth-century Oxford is found dead and a young woman is accused of his murder, four witnesses, each with his own agenda, tell what they saw, but only one speaks the truth."
 

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Re-reading Iain Pears brilliant "An Instance of The Fingerpost". I was given this copy from an old girlfriend and throughly enjoyed it. There are 4 different versions of a murder, from 4 different people, all sound convincing but which one is true?

From the synopsis;

"When a fellow of New College in seventeenth-century Oxford is found dead and a young woman is accused of his murder, four witnesses, each with his own agenda, tell what they saw, but only one speaks the truth."

Sounds interesting.

But seriously, with Morse, Lewis, and (young Morse) Endeavour, plus all of these other murder mysteries (many written by splendid women writers) set in Oxford (and curiously, never Cambridge), a proverbial visitor from Mars could be forgiven for thinking that Oxford was the homicide capital of England.
 

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Sounds interesting.

But seriously, with Morse, Lewis, and (young Morse) Endeavour, plus all of these other murder mysteries (many written by splendid women writers) set in Oxford (and curiously, never Cambridge), a proverbial visitor from Mars could be forgiven for thinking that Oxford was the homicide capital of England.
It was fist published in 1997. More information here;

Set in Oxford in the 1660s - a time and place of great intellectual, religious, scientific and political ferment - this remarkable novel centres around a young woman, Sarah Blundy, who stands accused of the murder of Robert Grove, a fellow of New College. Four witnesses describe the events surrounding his death: Marco da Cola, a Venetian Catholic intent on claiming credit for the invention of blood transfusion;Jack Prescott, the son of a supposed traitor to the Royalist cause, determined to vindicate his father; John Wallis, chief cryptographer to both Cromwell and Charles II, a mathematician, theologian and master spy; and Anthony Wood, the famous Oxford antiquary.

Each one tells their version of what happened but only one reveals the extraordinary truth. Brilliantly written, utterly convincing, gripping from the first page to the last, An Instance of the Fingerpost is a magnificent tour de force.
 

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It was fist published in 1997. More information here;

Set in Oxford in the 1660s - a time and place of great intellectual, religious, scientific and political ferment - this remarkable novel centres around a young woman, Sarah Blundy, who stands accused of the murder of Robert Grove, a fellow of New College. Four witnesses describe the events surrounding his death: Marco da Cola, a Venetian Catholic intent on claiming credit for the invention of blood transfusion;Jack Prescott, the son of a supposed traitor to the Royalist cause, determined to vindicate his father; John Wallis, chief cryptographer to both Cromwell and Charles II, a mathematician, theologian and master spy; and Anthony Wood, the famous Oxford antiquary.

Each one tells their version of what happened but only one reveals the extraordinary truth. Brilliantly written, utterly convincing, gripping from the first page to the last, An Instance of the Fingerpost is a magnificent tour de force.

Ah, in the 1660s? Fascinating.

So, do you recommend that I read it?
 

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Ah, in the 1660s? Fascinating.

So, do you recommend that I read it?
Managed to copy the beginning text. Yes, I would recommend. I think you will enjoy;

"I will leave out much, but nothing of significance. Much of my tour around that country was of interest only to myself, and finds no mention here. Many of those I met, similarly, were of little consequence. Those who in later years did me harm I describe as I knew them then, and I beg any reader to remember that, although I was hardly callow, I was not yet wise in the ways of the world. If my narrative appears simple and foolish, then you must conclude that the young man of so many years past was similarly so. I do not go back to my portrait to add extra layers of tint and varnish to cover my errors or the weakness of my draftsmanship. I will make no accusations, and indulge in no polemic against others; rather, I will say what happened, confident that I need do no more.

My father, Giovanni da Cola, was a merchant, and for the last years of his life was occupied in the importation of luxury goods into England which, though an unsophisticated country, was nonetheless beginning to rouse itself from the effects of revolution. He had shrewdly recognized from afar that the return of King Charles II meant that vast profits would once again be there for the taking and, stealing a march on more timid traders, he established himself in London to provide the wealthier English with those luxuries which the Puritan zealots had discouraged for so many years. His business prospered: he had a good man in London in Giovanni di Pietro, and also entered into a partnership with an English trader, with whom he split his profit. As he once told me, it was a fair bargain: this John Manston was sly and dishonest, but possessed unrivaled knowledge of English tastes. More importantly, the English had passed a law to stop goods coming into their ports in foreign boats, and Manston was a way through this difficulty. As long as my father had di Pietro in place to keep an eye firmly on the accounts, he believed there was little chance of being cheated.

He was long past the time when he took a direct interest in his business, having already converted a portion of his capital into land on Terra Firma to prepare for admission to the Golden Book. Although a merchant himself, he intended his children to be gentlemen, and discouraged me from active participation in his business. I mention this as an indication of his goodness: he had noticed early on that I had little mind for trade, and encouraged me to turn my face against the life he led. He also knew that my sister's new husband was more fitted for ventures than I.

So, while my father secured the family name and fortune, I--my mother being dead and one sister usefully married--was in Padua to acquire the smatterings of polite knowledge; he was content to have his son a member of our nobility but did not wish to have me as ignorant as they. At this point and of mature years--I was now rising thirty--I was suddenly struck by a burning enthusiasm to become a citizen of the Republic of Learning, as it is called. This sudden passion I can no longer recall, so completely has it left me, but then the fascination of the new experimental philosophy held me under its spell. It was, of course, a matter of the spirit rather than of practical application. I say with Beroaldus, non sum medicus, nec medicinae prorsus expers, in the theory of physick I have taken some pains, not with an intent to practice, but to satisfy myself. I had neither desire nor need to gain a living in such a fashion, although occasionally, I confess with shame, I taunted my poor good father by saying that unless he was kind to me, I would take my revenge by becoming a physician."
 
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Managed to copy the beginning text. Yes, I would recommend. I think you will enjoy;

"I will leave out much, but nothing of significance. Much of my tour around that country was of interest only to myself, and finds no mention here. Many of those I met, similarly, were of little consequence. Those who in later years did me harm I describe as I knew them then, and I beg any reader to remember that, although I was hardly callow, I was not yet wise in the ways of the world. If my narrative appears simple and foolish, then you must conclude that the young man of so many years past was similarly so. I do not go back to my portrait to add extra layers of tint and varnish to cover my errors or the weakness of my draftsmanship. I will make no accusations, and indulge in no polemic against others; rather, I will say what happened, confident that I need do no more.

My father, Giovanni da Cola, was a merchant, and for the last years of his life was occupied in the importation of luxury goods into England which, though an unsophisticated country, was nonetheless beginning to rouse itself from the effects of revolution. He had shrewdly recognized from afar that the return of King Charles II meant that vast profits would once again be there for the taking and, stealing a march on more timid traders, he established himself in London to provide the wealthier English with those luxuries which the Puritan zealots had discouraged for so many years. His business prospered: he had a good man in London in Giovanni di Pietro, and also entered into a partnership with an English trader, with whom he split his profit. As he once told me, it was a fair bargain: this John Manston was sly and dishonest, but possessed unrivaled knowledge of English tastes. More importantly, the English had passed a law to stop goods coming into their ports in foreign boats, and Manston was a way through this difficulty. As long as my father had di Pietro in place to keep an eye firmly on the accounts, he believed there was little chance of being cheated.

He was long past the time when he took a direct interest in his business, having already converted a portion of his capital into land on Terra Firma to prepare for admission to the Golden Book. Although a merchant himself, he intended his children to be gentlemen, and discouraged me from active participation in his business. I mention this as an indication of his goodness: he had noticed early on that I had little mind for trade, and encouraged me to turn my face against the life he led. He also knew that my sister's new husband was more fitted for ventures than I.

So, while my father secured the family name and fortune, I--my mother being dead and one sister usefully married--was in Padua to acquire the smatterings of polite knowledge; he was content to have his son a member of our nobility but did not wish to have me as ignorant as they. At this point and of mature years--I was now rising thirty--I was suddenly struck by a burning enthusiasm to become a citizen of the Republic of Learning, as it is called. This sudden passion I can no longer recall, so completely has it left me, but then the fascination of the new experimental philosophy held me under its spell. It was, of course, a matter of the spirit rather than of practical application. I say with Beroaldus, non sum medicus, nec medicinae prorsus expers, in the theory of physick I have taken some pains, not with an intent to practice, but to satisfy myself. I had neither desire nor need to gain a living in such a fashion, although occasionally, I confess with shame, I taunted my poor good father by saying that unless he was kind to me, I would take my revenge by becoming a physician."

Fascinating.

In turn, might I recommend the most recent book published by Frances Hardinge, "A Skinful of Shadows"; it is a stunning work of fantasy set during the English Civil War.
 
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A few on similar topics: "The Accidental Dictionary - The Remarkable Twists and Turns of the English language", "Haggard Hawks and Paltry Poltroons - The Origins of English in Ten Words" and "The Cabinet of Linguistic Curiosities - A Yearbook of Forgotten Words" - all by Paul Anthony Jones.
 

rhett7660

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Yup, on to book 9! I can't help myself. So far I am digging all of them. This will be the first one that hasn't been done on the TV show in some way or another. Started it last night!

Book 9 - Lost Light

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Macky-Mac

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"One Palestine, Complete" by Tom Segev.....subtitled "Jews and Arabs under the British Mandate"
 

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Very good value - £10 from Smiths and it's the size of a brick!

Apart from that - enjoying it. I'm not too far in but it looks like it centres on a pretty much unknown uprising in Norfolk 100 years before the civil wars. (Which is interesting in itself). So far he's laying it on a bit thick in terms of a couple of characters reactions to the injustices and homelessness that presumably will spark forthcoming events but I guess he's trying to give it something of a contemporary relevance (the 1% and all that). Good so far though and I've loved his other books.
 

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Very good value - £10 from Smiths and it's the size of a brick!

Apart from that - enjoying it. I'm not too far in but it looks like it centres on a pretty much unknown uprising in Norfolk 100 years before the civil wars. (Which is interesting in itself). So far he's laying it on a bit thick in terms of a couple of characters reactions to the injustices and homelessness that presumably will spark forthcoming events but I guess he's trying to give it something of a contemporary relevance (the 1% and all that). Good so far though and I've loved his other books.

That sounds interesting; parts of England retained Catholic sympathies for far longer than is often realised.
 
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Yes, very good point. This thread isn't probably the place to discuss this, but it feels the angle in this book is more about social injustice than the church. (He hints at the injustice of predestination) After all 100 years (only 4 generations) after the time this book is set, the levellers, ranters and diggers were fighting for ideas (a disestablished church, free love, common ownership and bill of rights) that seem radical even today. Thos ideas must have been (in my opinion) gestating for years and years. Also, the level of general support shown to the levellers that scared Cromwell so much must tell us something about how receptive the population was to those sort of ideas?
 

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Yes, very good point. This thread isn't probably the place to discuss this, but it feels the angle in this book is more about social injustice than the church. (He hints at the injustice of predestination) After all 100 years (only 4 generations) after the time this book is set, the levellers, ranters and diggers were fighting for ideas (a disestablished church, free love, common ownership and bill of rights) that seem radical even today. Thos ideas must have been (in my opinion) gestating for years and years. Also, the level of general support shown to the levellers that scared Cromwell so much must tell us something about how receptive the population was to those sort of ideas?

Yes, but with the English reformation, there were the true believers - the passionate reformers - and the greedy opportunists - (this was one of the greatest land grabs in English history) and there were those, like Thomas Cromwell, who were both.

Where is Shardlake now - i.e. what year are the books set? Who is on the throne?

I read a number of the earlier books and liked them a lot, but have lost touch with them in recent years.
 
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I don't know much about him, but it'll be fun finding out what Shardlake thinks!

Some histories suggest that his Seymour uncles had considerable sway over what happened and held too much power (and they did, especially earlier in his reign, when he was a child). Their day ended, though.

However, his own diaries show him to have been a pretty unpleasant piece of work.
 

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macrumors Haswell
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Re-reading Iain Pears brilliant "An Instance of The Fingerpost". I was given this copy from an old girlfriend and throughly enjoyed it. There are 4 different versions of a murder, from 4 different people, all sound convincing but which one is true?

From the synopsis;

"When a fellow of New College in seventeenth-century Oxford is found dead and a young woman is accused of his murder, four witnesses, each with his own agenda, tell what they saw, but only one speaks the truth."

I have just ordered this book - a nice, fat hardback, and thank you for the recommendation.
 
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