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Abraham Verghese's 2009 novel Cutting for Stone. This was too long left on the must-read pile on back of the couch, although I think I only heard of it after the paperback was being reviewed in 2011. At some point I had actually passed my copy on to someone who might make time for it sooner, and then bought it in e-book format after trying to get it from the library's ebook collection for ages. It's wonderfully written. I feel like I'm in Ethiopia and not as a visitor or time traveler either. Barely a quarter of the way into the novel, I'm already thinking how sad I'll be in reaching the end one of these days, and that's my short version of high praise for anyone's writing.


Ethiopia: Fascinating. Much by way of political change has happened there since last year (including - rare for that part of the world - a peaceful transition of power following demonstrations and an election).

Do you recommend it?

For my part, on Ethiopia, I recommend "The Emperor" by Ryszard Kapucinsky - beautifully written and culturally (and politically) extraordinarily insightful.
 
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Ethiopia: Fascinating. Much by way of political change has happened there since last year (including - rare for that part of the world - a peaceful transition of power following demonstrations and an election).

Do you recommend it?

For my part, on Ethiopia, I recommend "The Emperor" by Ryszard Kapucinsky - beautifully written and culturally (an politically) extraordinarily insightful.

I do recommend it but for its look at the country from the wayback, i.e. 1930s forward. Verghese is interesting for his own knowledge of the country down to street levels in cities, but also for being able to write in such precision about medical matters --in a way that illuminates anatomy and surgery without revulsing laymen-- while immersing the reader in the sweep of interactions of characters caught up in history "on the move" in East Africa and then in the USA as well.

I'll have to have a look at the Kapucinsky, I have read his Shadow of the Sun and appreciated those sketchbook-like vignettes based on his experiences in a number of African countries. So thank you for mentioning The Emperor, I don't think I was aware of it really, even if I may have looked up his works and put some of them on a "look into" list. Those lists need to stay behind the books already in hand, I must admit. But Ethiopia fascinates me for a history that even more so than some other countries, cannot be taken as unrelated to its geography and geology, so I keep being drawn in by anything about it.
 

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I do recommend it but for its look at the country from the wayback, i.e. 1930s forward. Verghese is interesting for his own knowledge of the country down to street levels in cities, but also for being able to write in such precision about medical matters --in a way that illuminates anatomy and surgery without revulsing laymen-- while immersing the reader in the sweep of interactions of characters caught up in history "on the move" in East Africa and then in the USA as well.

I'll have to have a look at the Kapucinsky, I have read his Shadow of the Sun and appreciated those sketchbook-like vignettes based on his experiences in a number of African countries. So thank you for mentioning The Emperor, I don't think I was aware of it really, even if I may have looked up his works and put some of them on a "look into" list. Those lists need to stay behind the books already in hand, I must admit. But Ethiopia fascinates me for a history that even more so than some other countries, cannot be taken as unrelated to its geography and geology, so I keep being drawn in by anything about it.

The Emperor is - to my mind - almost the best thing Kapuscinsky wrote. It is that rare thing - a work of profound political insight written by a poet who writes (or wrote) exquisite prose.

I liked the Soccer War and Imperium (the latter, especially) - both works by Kapuscinsky - as well.

Over twenty years ago, I was teaching Polish exchange students (part of an EU Tempus exchange, they spent a term with us) EU Studies, and asked them whether they had ever heard of Kapuscinsky, as I had just read Imperium, thought it brilliant, and I had no idea of whether he was well regarded in his native land.

They laughed at me, (but were pleased that I knew of him and rated him highly) and proceeded to gravely inform me that he was considered one of their greatest living writers.

Still on Ethiopia, the travel writer Dervla Murphy wrote a fascinating book on travelling through Ethiopia in the 1960s, which I read over twenty years ago.
 
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A Belfastian author, McKinty, who I was recommended years ago recently released his new novel and my word is it one of the most disturbing works of fiction I've read. Really tugs at your soul if you imagine yourself in the situation of the main character. Stephen King eat your heart out.
 

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A Belfastian author, McKinty, who I was recommended years ago recently released his new novel and my word is it one of the most disturbing works of fiction I've read. Really tugs at your soul if you imagine yourself in the situation of the main character. Stephen King eat your heart out.

As in Adrian McKinty? If yes, I've come across the name a couple of times myself and really should read something of his.

If not, provide more details, please.
 

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I don't like to enter into such a long thread without reading it, but wow - 278 pages. I finished "The Art of Racing In the Rain" by Garth Stein last month. Then recently while watching some F1 coverage, I discovered that an actor being interviewed, Milo Ventimiglia, has the lead (Denny) in a movie from the book. If the movie is half as well done as Stein's novel it will be great. Stein writes in short, succinct sentences. He makes you feel as if there's no information you've had withheld, even if you're not sure of where it's headed. The one surety is that you can't put it away. And the ending brought tears of joy to my face. All this from the narration of Denny's dog Enzo. Read it and see. I haven't enjoyed such a finely crafted story in years, possibly since Clavell's "Shogun".
 

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I'm currently reading Mavericks (Expeditionary Force Book 6) in the series by Craig Alanson.

Thoroughly enjoyable series with lots of humorous to and fro between the main characters (one of which is a beer can sized alien AI).

If you like "Space Marine" type books that don't try to take themselves too seriously, but include a fair amount of science fact with the fiction, this series could be for you.
I found it by chance as the first book was free on Kindle through Amazon and the rest was simply a must-read for me.
 

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I haven't yet, just wondering if anyone here has read any of former actor Gene Hackman's work?

He's been writing historical fiction for a while now.
 

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I haven't yet, just wondering if anyone here has read any of former actor Gene Hackman's work?

He's been writing historical fiction for a while now.

No, I can't say that I have.

However, if you want historical fiction, I really do recommend Patrick O'Brian (I'm hugely enjoying his Aubrey-Maturin series set in the Napoleonic wars at the moment), and - for alternative historical fiction - I heartily recommend the works of Guy Gavriel Kay.
 
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What's the old Roman times author you and I discussed at one time? I want to say Lindsey Davis who wrote Marco Didius Falco series but I'm not sure if it's the one I'm thinking of. If it's the one of a Roman warrior overhearing a crime and then stopping it (memory of it is a wash) then that may be the one.
 

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What's the old Roman times author you and I discussed at one time. I want to say Lindsey Davis who wrote Marco Didius Falco series but I'm not sure if it's the one I'm thinking of.

Re historical fiction, and Rome, Robert Graves wrote the absolutely marvellous "I, Claudius", which I cannot recommend highly enough.

Others whom I rate very highly in the field of historical fiction are Pat Barker - with the superb Regeneration trilogy (set in WW1 - Regeneration, The Eye In The Door, and Ghost Road) and the superlative Hilary Mantel with her outstanding Thomas Cromwell series (Wolf Hall, Bring Up The Bodies, and the yet to be published The Mirror and the Light).
 
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Re historical fiction, and Rome, Robert Graves wrote the superb I Claudius, which I cannot recommend highly enough.

Others whom I rate very highly in the field of historical fiction are Pat Barker - with the superb Regeneration trilogy (set in WW1 - Regeneration, The Eye In The Door, and Ghost Road) and the superlative Hilary Mantel with her outstanding Thomas Cromwell series (Wolf Hall, Bring Up The Bodies, and the yet to be published The Mirror and the Light).
Right. Graves was the other one. While not very accurate, to what I remember. I did enjoy Thomas Hugh's Flashman series and still when Fraser took over. Tom Brown's School Days and the sequel were good. I bought the set of Flashman last year or the year before. One of those rare instances where you can buy a set of books that haven't been in production in forever.
 
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Right. Graves was the other one. While not very accurate, to what I remember. I did enjoy Thomas Hugh's Flashman series and still when Fraser took over. Tom Brown's School Days and the sequel were good. I bought the set of Flashman last year or the year before. One of those rare instances where you can buy a set of books that haven't been in production in forever.

On historical fiction set in ancient Rome, there is also Steven Saylor's very readable "Roma Sub Rosa" novels - basically, a detective series set in ancient Rome (and set during the period of the late Republic); Colleen McCullough also wrote some terrific (historical fiction) stuff on ancient Rome - her Masters of Rome series, spanning the time (again of the late Republic) to the beginning of the Imperial era.
 

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Catherine Mayer's Attack of the 50 Ft. Women. Not as scary as it may look. But is that thing in her hand a tweetbox? Oy!

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Rereading Joseph O’Conner’s excellent “The Star of the Sea”

From The Guardian;

The Star of the Sea is a coffin ship, ploughing from Britain to America with a freight of evicted Irish scarecrows in steerage and a sprinkling of fascinatingly portrayed toffs in first class. The ship gets lighter by the day, as it sloughs off yet another pile of dead peasants. (They are, so the goodhearted English captain reflects, "as remote from our own race as the Hottentot, Watuti, Mohammedan or Chinese".) A roll call of the ship's main passengers reads like a gallery of Irish stereotypes. There is the brutal landlord, the wronged maidservant, the political balladeer, the aspiring young writer. Yet O'Connor's prose redeems these iconic figures from their banality, rather as if one were to turn Jack and the Beanstalk into a gripping realist novel.

In this self-consciously epic work, O'Connor mixes gothic and picaresque, history and biography, thriller and adventure story, to recreate all the sprawling diversity of high-Victorian fiction. As with much Irish writing, there is a telling contrast between the bleakness of the materials and the opulence of the treatment. While other writers content themselves with fine-drawn cameos of suburban adultery, O'Connor ranges from workhouse destitution and grotesque prison violence to storms at sea and delicately sketched love scenes. There is a Dickensian spaciousness here; indeed, the great man himself puts in a brief celebrity appearance.

Star of the Sea is a polyphonic novel, as different voices, social accents and national idioms weave their way in and out of the text. But if its tone is that of sober English realism, its structure is that of Irish literary experiment. The book is a montage of verbal forms: letters, quotation, first-person narrative, Hansard, captain's log, snatches of ballad, advertisements, news-paper clippings, historical documentation.

The ship is a microcosm of Irish society, the place where a number of different narratives converge, as they do in a piece of fiction. But the novel also traces each of these personal histories back to its roots, through love story and rogue's progress, tale of vengeance and big-house drama. There are several novellas tucked inside this well-upholstered text, along with cameos of the East End, snapshots of Victorian Belfast and vignettes of the Irish land-owning aristocracy.

The society that has only its contemporary experience to live by is poor indeed. With this stunningly accomplished novel, Irish fiction, for so long a prisoner of the present, breaks out into a richer, stranger country.

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On historical fiction set in ancient Rome, there is also Steven Saylor's very readable "Roma Sub Rosa" novels - basically, a detective series set in ancient Rome (and set during the period of the late Republic); Colleen McCullough also wrote some terrific (historical fiction) stuff on ancient Rome - her Masters of Rome series, spanning the time (again of the late Republic) to the beginning of the Imperial era.

I’ve read some from both of these authors and they are outstanding. I highly recommend them.
 
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Rereading Joseph O’Conner’s excellent “The Star of the Sea”

From The Guardian;

The Star of the Sea is a coffin ship, ploughing from Britain to America with a freight of evicted Irish scarecrows in steerage and a sprinkling of fascinatingly portrayed toffs in first class. The ship gets lighter by the day, as it sloughs off yet another pile of dead peasants. (They are, so the goodhearted English captain reflects, "as remote from our own race as the Hottentot, Watuti, Mohammedan or Chinese".) A roll call of the ship's main passengers reads like a gallery of Irish stereotypes. There is the brutal landlord, the wronged maidservant, the political balladeer, the aspiring young writer. Yet O'Connor's prose redeems these iconic figures from their banality, rather as if one were to turn Jack and the Beanstalk into a gripping realist novel.

In this self-consciously epic work, O'Connor mixes gothic and picaresque, history and biography, thriller and adventure story, to recreate all the sprawling diversity of high-Victorian fiction. As with much Irish writing, there is a telling contrast between the bleakness of the materials and the opulence of the treatment. While other writers content themselves with fine-drawn cameos of suburban adultery, O'Connor ranges from workhouse destitution and grotesque prison violence to storms at sea and delicately sketched love scenes. There is a Dickensian spaciousness here; indeed, the great man himself puts in a brief celebrity appearance.

Star of the Sea is a polyphonic novel, as different voices, social accents and national idioms weave their way in and out of the text. But if its tone is that of sober English realism, its structure is that of Irish literary experiment. The book is a montage of verbal forms: letters, quotation, first-person narrative, Hansard, captain's log, snatches of ballad, advertisements, news-paper clippings, historical documentation.

The ship is a microcosm of Irish society, the place where a number of different narratives converge, as they do in a piece of fiction. But the novel also traces each of these personal histories back to its roots, through love story and rogue's progress, tale of vengeance and big-house drama. There are several novellas tucked inside this well-upholstered text, along with cameos of the East End, snapshots of Victorian Belfast and vignettes of the Irish land-owning aristocracy.

The society that has only its contemporary experience to live by is poor indeed. With this stunningly accomplished novel, Irish fiction, for so long a prisoner of the present, breaks out into a richer, stranger country.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffin_ship
 

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Thanks for this. Fascinating.

Equally fascinating were the lives (and actions) of reformers such as the impressive, quite wonderfully ethical and simply outstanding Samuel Plimsoll who addressed this issue and finally - and successfully - managed to legislate for what is still known - in his honour - as the "Plimsoll Line" or "Plimsoll Mark", a line that determines the limit of legal submersion of a ship when loaded with cargo (or people), which means, in practice, that it became illegal to deliberately overload ships.

This legislation didn't just protect passengers, but also the seamen who sailed the ships, whose lives were also treated with utter and grotesque contempt, as they, too, had died in large numbers when the (over-loaded, over-insured, and often ancient and decrepit) ships they sailed sank at sea, for they were more profitable (for the owners) when they sank, because they were insured.

The legislation which was eventually passed by Parliament (not without strong opposition) in 1876 did away with the notorious (and appalling) practice of using coffin ships.
 
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Finished the fifth book (Desolation Island) in the Aubrey/Maturin series set during the Napoleonic Wars by Patrick O'Brian, and about to embark on the sixth in the series, The Fortune Of War.
 
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