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That does sound very promising. I’m curious how his writing will be as I’m approaching the later wheel of time books. Haven’t read anything from him yet.

Feedback from folks in my circles so far was “meh” on anything Sanderson but he seems to be very popular, so definitely has something to him worth exploring.

Sanderson is very energetic author. More action than nuance. He's not going to be accused of writing masterpieces of literacy, but he has so far always written something that I just enjoy and find myself being unable to put down.

it's just thouroughly entertaining. And he's paired that writing style with epic fantasy world building at a master scale. So while he may not write deep allegory, or such deep reflections on society. But he's going to entertain you with grand worlds and action packed fun, with a twist or two for good measure.

If you're reading Wheel fo Time, you will likely find him a relief compared to Jordon's writing by the time you get to about book 6/7

I don't think he's ever rise to be on any pedestal like a Tolkien or the like. But I don't know anyone who reads this genre who just didn't enjoy it.
 

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I just finished the most recent book in the series. So still entirely relevant since he just recently released it this year so don't worry!

Fantastic series that is really growing into something so amazingly grand.

If you haven't read anything else by him, I highly recommend MistBorn Series (Original Trilogy, and the Wax and Wayne current saga).

Sanderson is such a fun author to read. Not the deepest. But truly fun epic fantasy. About to start one of his non epic fantasy series soon. just downloaded a bunch of his other work

No doubt. I love his writing. Great stories. Great characters. I think I'll be reading his stuff for quite a while.
 

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If he's only on book 2, than I get the GoT comparison.

That said.

He's going to have his mind blown.
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Interesting that you all mention Brandon Sanderson. The only mobile game series I got passionate about was the Infinity Blade series (now unable to work since iOS 14.5 or so :confused: ) and he wrote two official novellas that filled the gap and backstory between Infinity Blade 1 and 2 and 2 and 3. Short but well-written and entertaining.
 

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I just wanted to share my latest purchase, The Monastic Diurnal (initial 536AD; 1963AD update).

Technically this is a book I am reading as I read it everyday. The Monastic Diurnal is a form of the Roman Breviary that is prayed by Benedictine monks following the Rule of St. Benedict. For those who are not familiar with the subject, the Breviary is a collection of prayers, psalms, readings, hymns that priests have to pray at given hours every single day. All readings are based on the day of the week, feast, saint, period of the year etc. so it can get quite complicated. There are two main version of the Breviary:
  • Liturgy of the Hours - this is post 1960's. It's comprised of four volumes organized by liturgical time of the year (Advent, Ordinary Time, Lenten, Christmas). This is the current, approved version. I have been using it for the past several years.
  • Roman Breviarum - This predates the above Liturgy of the Hours and is as old as it can get, despite several updates throughout the centuries. When one talks about the breviary or the Divine Office, this is usually the edition they refer to. This has been replaced by the Liturgy of the Hours except when permitted. Of course, laymen can use it at will. This is usually in Latin, and it uses the pre-1963 liturgical calendar. It can get quite complicated at times.
The Monastic Diurnal is a version of the Roman Breviarum and is utilized by Benedictine monks, and laypeople. I have been using it for the past couple of weeks and it's formidable. Ordained individuals must recite it in Latin, laypeople can choose.

Now, why is it called diurnal? That's because it's a "day" book that was originally planned for monks that had to travel outside of the abbey and needed to be pocket sized. It's a day book due to the division of the liturgical hours:
  • Matins - usually prayed at 2AM, and certainly before dawn.
  • Prime - usually at 6AM. Basically a liturgy to get ready for the day.
  • Terce - usually at 9AM
  • Sext - usually at noon
  • None - usually at 3PM
  • Vespers - usually at 6PM or 7PM
  • Compline - before bedtime
I won't bore you to death with the gazillion rules about moving hours to the previous day or a different hour; for our purposes, just know that this is called Diurnal because it does not include Matins. Matins is by far the longest hour with the most readings, the most hymns and so on. It is an important hour, but it would make a pocket book an impossibility. So, the Monastic Diurnal has everything between Prime and Compline. One of the goals of the Diurnal is to recite all psalms within a week (the psalter for the Liturgy of the Hours functions on a 4-week cycle and some psalms were completely removed).

One of the practical goals of this liturgy is to give a somewhat perfect division of the hours of the day, and to provide opportunity to stop working and meditate a bit. However, using the Monastic Diurnal is not easy at all; it requires some study, knowledge of the old calendar, knowledge of terms... and even so it's quite easy to mess up. I am still messing it up and I assume it will take a few years before I can master it. Fortunately, there are websites and videos with clear explanation and even the correct pages for the day.

The quality of the item is outstanding, this is a massive volume that is also pocket sized. The pages are easy to flip, there is a cardboard box to protect the book, there are just enough ribbons to survive the constant flipping between the various pages, and it contains the typical "extras" such as the Office of the Dead, litanies, etc., in addition to the typical various tables one would expect in a breviary (movable feasts, concurrent and occurent feasts, calendar etc.).

At any rate, without further ado, here are some pictures.

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Absolutely exquisite, and thanks for sharing this with us.
Sanderson is very energetic author. More action than nuance. He's not going to be accused of writing masterpieces of literacy, but he has so far always written something that I just enjoy and find myself being unable to put down.

it's just thouroughly entertaining. And he's paired that writing style with epic fantasy world building at a master scale. So while he may not write deep allegory, or such deep reflections on society. But he's going to entertain you with grand worlds and action packed fun, with a twist or two for good measure.

If you're reading Wheel fo Time, you will likely find him a relief compared to Jordon's writing by the time you get to about book 6/7

I don't think he's ever rise to be on any pedestal like a Tolkien or the like. But I don't know anyone who reads this genre who just didn't enjoy it.

Interesting that you all mention Brandon Sanderson. The only mobile game series I got passionate about was the Infinity Blade series (now unable to work since iOS 14.5 or so :confused: ) and he wrote two official novellas that filled the gap and backstory between Infinity Blade 1 and 2 and 2 and 3. Short but well-written and entertaining.
Mistborn is excellent.

Actually, Sanderson is very good on world building, a nice wit, superb on fight sequences and - a real plus to my mind - also writes terrific female characters. (Take a look at The Emperor's Soul).
 

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Let me know what you think about it.

It is the concluding volume of a trilogy (the story of which - over all three books - spans the lives of a number of characters and their families over the course of much of the twentieth century), and, as such, perhaps, strikes a sort of (unintentional) elegiac note, a note already strongly alluded to, in the title (The Autumn Of The Ace).

Really, it is a book about farewells, goodbyes, death, dying and making peace with the inevitability of one's own mortality. In fact, I suspect that de Bernieres is not simply saying farewell to the characters in the trilogy, but to characters across his entire oeuvre, for The Autumn Of The Ace slyly references some of his other works, as characters from these books make fleeting (or not so fleeting) cameos, or brief flying visits, where their stories intersect with the stories of the characters in The Autumn Of The Ace.

(For those who have read de Bernieres extensively - and I have - you will recognise characters from Captain Corelli's Mandolin, The Partisan's Daughter, the War of Don Emmanuel's Nether Parts, and Notwithstanding, as they make their entrances, or make themselves known, fleetingly or otherwise).

Actually, increasingly, I am coming to the conclusion that Louis de Bernieres is one of those authors who has written one exceptional book (Captain Corelli's Mandolin) and nothing else he has written before or since comes close to that masterpiece, where everything came together, and the story, setting and charcters all worked perfectly.

The strengths of this book lie in the pleasure of recognising the cross references to his other works, and a genuinely powerful and superb passage where the protagonist (the Ace of the title, he was a hero from the First World War as well as the Second World War) travels to what had become Pakistan after (near the Afghan border) after Indian Independence to bury his brother who had served in the old Frontier Scouts of the Indian Army (of British Imperial India, the Raj), and who had always loved the Frontier.

Another strength is the lovely relationship, but far too little space is devoted to it - it is rare enough to see middle aged enduring affection and love depicted anywhere, whereas young love is never short of stories - depicted between a clergyman (also a decorated war hero from the First World War) and the sister-in-law of the protagonist, who had married the clergyman towards the end of the First World War.

And he depicts male relationships - friendships, relationships, comrades, familes - very well, and is endlessly understanding of - and sympathetic to - male short-comings.

As for short-comings: The entire book is a farewell, whereas most of the characters don't actually die until the story is well underway.

And there is the inescapable fact that ever since de Bernieres went through an acrimonious marriage or relationship breakdown, well over a decade ago, he has struggled with female characters; these days, although he tries hard, he finds it a challenge to write with insight, or empathy, or sympathy, or, at times, even liking, for female characters, whereas he is instinctively sympathetic to his male characters, almost irrespective of what they do.

Much of the time, he doesn't "get" women, and it becomes clear that he doesn't really actually like them all that much, even when the male characters treat them poorly and with contempt.

So, I'll still read de Bernieres, but I suspect that his best work may be behind him.
 
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Absolutely exquisite, and thanks for sharing this with us.



Mistborn is excellent.

Actually, Sanderson is very good on world building, a nice wit, superb on fight sequences and - a real plus to my mind - also writes terrific female characters. (Take a look at The Emperor's Soul).
That is a huge plus right there, actually one of the main characters in the short novellas I meantioned is a very well-written female character. Actually, despite the stereotypes, there are many very complex and well-written female characters in anime - depending on the title and genre.
 
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That is a huge plus right there, actually one of the main characters in the short novellas I meantioned is a very well-written female character. Actually, despite the stereotypes, there are many very complex and well-written female characters in anime - depending on the title and genre.

Agreed.

A truly astounding number of male writers simply cannot write or imagine credible (or interesting) female characters, or cannot conceive of female characters, outside of a sexual context, or who have a role in the story entirely independent of the male protagonist, or who do not feel sexually attracted to the (male) protagonist.

Now, there are wonderful exceptions (Garth Nix, Scott Lynch, to name but two - both of whom write superb female characters) but far too many male writers - even some whom I have liked (such as Martin Cruz Smith, and, increasingly, Louis de Bernieres) cannot write credible, complex, interesting female characters.
 

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Agreed.

A truly astounding number of male writers simply cannot write or imagine credible (or interesting) female characters, or cannot conceive of female characters, outside of a sexual context, or who have a role in the story entirely independent of the male protagonist, or who do not feel sexually attracted to the (male) protagonist.

Now, there are wonderful exceptions (Garth Nix, Scott Lynch, to name but two - both of whom write superb female characters) but far too many male writers - even some whom I have liked (such as Martin Cruz Smith, and, increasingly, Louis de Bernieres) cannot write credible, complex, interesting female characters.
Another author who writes complex and real women characters so exceptionally is Jim Harrison.
 
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Munich 1938?

Or, Munich 1972?

1938.

“In the countdown to World War II, no event more aptly symbolized false hopes and Nazi duplicity than the Munich accord. In September 1938, Adolf Hitler threatened to send Wehrmacht troops into Czechoslovakia to seize the ethnic-German border regions known as the Sudetenland. Britain’s prime minister, Neville Chamberlain, flew to the birthplace of the Third Reich to meet Hitler and try to stave off a conflict. Twenty-four hours later, Chamberlain returned to London, where he brandished an agreement permitting Nazi Germany to occupy the territory and pronounced four words that would forever be linked with naïveté and appeasement: “Peace for our time.”

Robert Harris’s meticulously researched and expertly paced thriller, “Munich,” recounts the days leading up to the ill-fated agreement. As in most of his historical novels, Harris relegates major figures to the background, focusing on two marginal characters with intimate views of the event. Hugh Legat, a junior Foreign Service officer with an Oxford degree and fluency in German, wins Chamberlain’s confidence and secures a place among the inner circle at 10 Downing Street. His fellow Oxford alumnus Paul von Hartmann, a well-bred third secretary at the Foreign Ministry in Berlin, despises Hitler and plots with a handful of diplomats and officers to kill the Nazi leader. Hartmann and his co-conspirators hope to scuttle the looming Munich accord, force France and Britain to declare war on the still-unprepared Third Reich, and persuade the Wehrmacht generals to rally to their side.

When Hartmann obtains a secret memorandum outlining Hitler’s plans to seize all of Czechoslovakia and much of Europe, he alerts his fellow Oxonian through an intermediary. British intelligence enlists Legat to travel to Munich with Chamberlain to meet Hartmann, get the secret document and expose Hitler’s duplicity. This sets off a dangerous game played by both Legat and Hartmann as they head to their rendezvous in Munich — where they risk exposure and, in the case of Hartmann, arrest and execution.
 

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This isn't a book, but it's an extraordinary story that has haunted me and worked its way into my psyche for 20+ years, The Music of Silence, a Portrait of an Unlikely Monk, by Phyllis Rose, published in The Atlantic, 1997. I finally found it again:

 
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This isn't a book, but it's an extraordinary story that has haunted me and worked its way into my psyche for 20+ years, The Music of Silence, a Portrait of an Unlikely Monk, by Phyllis Rose, published in The Atlantic, 1997. I finally found it again:

A very powerful and thought provoking piece; thanks for sharing.
 

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This isn't a book, but it's an extraordinary story that has haunted me and worked its way into my psyche for 20+ years, The Music of Silence, a Portrait of an Unlikely Monk, by Phyllis Rose, published in The Atlantic, 1997. I finally found it again:

Thank you for sharing this. I am currently reading - among other things - a few books on monasticism, solitude, silence, etc., the oldest one so far from 1700 years ago, so I'll see to read the entire article this week. I just skimmed it for now.
 

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Munich by Robert Harris.
I enjoyed Munich but (and your opinion might differ here) have thought his most recent stuff like the Second Sleep* was utterly dire. (I won't go into detail in case someone on here really want to read it but the story fizzles out and there's constant plot holes you could drive the Ever Given container ship through).

It's a puzzle to me as Fatherland was one of the most well researched and credible alt history thrillers I've read. (I also really liked his Roman stuff and I thought Munich worked well).

What's happened to him though? I've avoided his latest (V2) as if you read the reviews carefully (and avoid the excitable planted publishing publicity dept ones) many are dire and I still resent the £15 I splurged on Second Sleep...

* If you can't do better than Riddley Walker, the Road or A Canticle for Liebovitz (sp?) then why bother...
 
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William Hazlitt's on The Pleasure of Hating

As a non native speaker, and regarding leisure reading, I find myself enjoying classical literature more than anything remotely contemporary. American Business English and it's simplicity seems to have seeped in everything nowadays.
 

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The Adventures of Tom Bombadil.

It's a wonderful little book of poems by Tolkien. The commentary section is an analysis of the characters and places in the poems. Great for Hobbit-heads like me.
 
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A rainy Saturday here in the north of England. This just arrived so going to get stuck in this afternoon. Checkmate in Berlin by one of my favourite authors, Giles Milton.

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The Fall of Carthage: The Punic Wars 265BC-146BC (2012) by Adrian Goldsworthy.
The book explores the three Punic Wars in great detail, from the first skirmish in Sicily, to Hannibal's almost complete conquest of Rome (I never realized it was such a pricey endeavor in terms of lives and resources), to the complete destruction of the Carthaginian civilization by the hands of the Romans. Goldsworthy explores the causes of the wars, the individuals involved, and the consequences of the events. It is no secret that the Punic Wars are what made the Roman Republic mutate from a regional force to a dominating powerhouse. The book is a bit heavier on military technology than what I'd like, but it's not the author's fault. He explains very well why technology was a game changer and why it must be scrutinized by any serious reader of the age of the Romans. After reading this book, I am very impressed by the logistics that both the Romans and the Carthaginians had to put in place to maintain their impressive military operations.
Highly recommended, no fan of history will regret this purchase.

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The Fall of Carthage: The Punic Wars 265BC-146BC (2012) by Adrian Goldsworthy.
The book explores the three Punic Wars in great detail, from the first skirmish in Sicily, to Hannibal's almost complete conquest of Rome (I never realized it was such a pricey endeavor in terms of lives and resources), to the complete destruction of the Carthaginian civilization by the hands of the Romans. Goldsworthy explores the causes of the wars, the individuals involved, and the consequences of the events. It is no secret that the Punic Wars are what made the Roman Republic mutate from a regional force to a dominating powerhouse. The book is a bit heavier on military technology than what I'd like, but it's not the author's fault. He explains very well why technology was a game changer and why it must be scrutinized by any serious reader of the age of the Romans. After reading this book, I am very impressed by the logistics that both the Romans and the Carthaginians had to put in place to maintain their impressive military operations.
Highly recommended, no fan of history will regret this purchase.

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Sounds absolutely fascinating.

Must see if I can lay hands on it.
 
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The Fall of Carthage: The Punic Wars 265BC-146BC (2012) by Adrian Goldsworthy.
The book explores the three Punic Wars in great detail, from the first skirmish in Sicily, to Hannibal's almost complete conquest of Rome (I never realized it was such a pricey endeavor in terms of lives and resources), to the complete destruction of the Carthaginian civilization by the hands of the Romans. Goldsworthy explores the causes of the wars, the individuals involved, and the consequences of the events. It is no secret that the Punic Wars are what made the Roman Republic mutate from a regional force to a dominating powerhouse. The book is a bit heavier on military technology than what I'd like, but it's not the author's fault. He explains very well why technology was a game changer and why it must be scrutinized by any serious reader of the age of the Romans. After reading this book, I am very impressed by the logistics that both the Romans and the Carthaginians had to put in place to maintain their impressive military operations.
Highly recommended, no fan of history will regret this purchase.

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Unfortunately, my library seems to have not heard of this book.....
 
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